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    Default What would Gou Jing had thought of 遼國蕭太后 - 蕭燕燕

    Been watching a series of lectures from 黃毓民 and came across 蕭燕燕.

    One of GJ life goals was to push out the Jin and restore the Song territory. A noble and understandable goal given the atrocities of the Jins.

    However, lets say GJ's story took place at the time of 蕭燕燕, would his attitude towards the Liao had been the same?
    On a personal level, 蕭燕燕 was like GJ's own mother, was a widowed but determined woman, who brought her son up in the right way. Would this parallel had softened GJ's attitude to this foreign occupier of Song land?

    On a political level 蕭燕燕, introduced fair laws would protected Hans and Liao citizens as equals, ensuring peace and stability within her realm. One of GJ's major gripes against the Jin and later Mongol was how badly they treated the Han people. Yet here is a foreign ruler who was competent, moral (as moral as a absolute monarch could be) and equitable to everyone.

    Would GJ had been so adamant about reclaiming Song lands in the above situation?

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    Good question
    GJ is willing to fight against Jin because of two reasons: He being a Sung citizen and oppression of Sung people under Jin.
    GJ is unwilling to fight against Sung because of one reason: He being a Sung citizen, despite oppression of Sung people under Sung.

    Citizenship seems to be a more important factor for his willingness to fight. So, if the Jin has "captured" Northern Sung from Sung, I believe GJ is willing to "re-capture" it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandred Skavenslayer View Post
    Been watching a series of lectures from 黃毓民 and came across 蕭燕燕.

    One of GJ life goals was to push out the Jin and restore the Song territory. A noble and understandable goal given the atrocities of the Jins.

    However, lets say GJ's story took place at the time of 蕭燕燕, would his attitude towards the Liao had been the same?
    On a personal level, 蕭燕燕 was like GJ's own mother, was a widowed but determined woman, who brought her son up in the right way. Would this parallel had softened GJ's attitude to this foreign occupier of Song land?

    On a political level 蕭燕燕, introduced fair laws would protected Hans and Liao citizens as equals, ensuring peace and stability within her realm. One of GJ's major gripes against the Jin and later Mongol was how badly they treated the Han people. Yet here is a foreign ruler who was competent, moral (as moral as a absolute monarch could be) and equitable to everyone.

    Would GJ had been so adamant about reclaiming Song lands in the above situation?
    It depends on which GJ you're talking about. Pre-Samarkand or post-Samarkand. Pre-Samarkand GJ was all for restoring Song territory. Post-Samarkand GJ only wanted to defend a line behind which ordinary folk could live in peace.

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