Did Yeung Gor completely abandon the Heavy Iron Sword after Sad Palms?

[Ken Cheng]

I'm not sure how much time it took Yeung Gor to fully develop the Sad Palms during the sixteen year interregnum in ROCH, but by the time the Sad Palms were combat ready, did Yeung Gor completely abandon the Heavy Iron Sword, or did he still use the weapon at times?

[Western Eccentric]

I'm not sure how much time it took Yeung Gor to fully develop the Sad Palms during the sixteen year interregnum in ROCH, but by the time the Sad Palms were combat ready, did Yeung Gor completely abandon the Heavy Iron Sword, or did he still use the weapon at times?

Well when he fought JLFW in Xiangyang he was regret that he not bring HIS at his time so I think HIS still important for him at least as the "trump card" against super powerful opponents like Greats and their peers..

[FeilongZ]

I'm not sure how much time it took Yeung Gor to fully develop the Sad Palms during the sixteen year interregnum in ROCH, but by the time the Sad Palms were combat ready, did Yeung Gor completely abandon the Heavy Iron Sword, or did he still use the weapon at times?

After the six-year ocean training with the wooden sword, YG no longer need the HIS because he thought that he could use the wooden sword in a similar way as the HIS, as least power-wise.
He most likely carried the HIS with him when he left the South Seas or did he left the HIS at Dugu's cave before he journeyed with the Divine Condor to the South Seas because of its weight?

I wonder if YG practiced with the HIS after the six-year ocean training. He would be surprised of the power he could exert with the HIS, even greater than the power of the wooden sword.

All in all, I think YG returned the HIS to Dugu's cave after the ocean training and never practiced or even tried to see how powerful it was after the ocean training.

[Western Eccentric]

After the six-year ocean training with the wooden sword, YG no longer need the HIS because he thought that he could use the wooden sword in a similar way as the HIS, as least power-wise.
He most likely carried the HIS with him when he left the South Seas or did he left the HIS at Dugu's cave before he journeyed with the Divine Condor to the South Seas because of its weight?

I wonder if YG practiced with the HIS after the six-year ocean training. He would be surprised of the power he could exert with the HIS, even greater than the power of the wooden sword.

All in all, I think YG returned the HIS to Dugu's cave after the ocean training and never practiced or even tried to see how powerful it was after the ocean training.

More specific YG left HIS in Passionless Valley and never take it again due the death of Hindu Monk (YD martial brother which master in toxicology) also during his early fight against JLFW in Xiangyang he regretted that he not bring HIS..

[FeilongZ]

More specific YG left HIS in Passionless Valley and never take it again due the death of Hindu Monk (YD martial brother which master in toxicology) also during his early fight against JLFW in Xiangyang he regretted that he not bring HIS..

So who took the HIS back to YG, his sworn sisters?
I don't think he would leave the legendary HIS at the valley all that time.

[Western Eccentric]

So who took the HIS back to YG, his sworn sisters?
I don't think he would leave the legendary HIS at the valley all that time.

I also never read that YG back to Passionless Valley and take HIS again..

[EdenResident]

I'm not sure how much time it took Yeung Gor to fully develop the Sad Palms during the sixteen year interregnum in ROCH, but by the time the Sad Palms were combat ready, did Yeung Gor completely abandon the Heavy Iron Sword, or did he still use the weapon at times?

Here's my theory why YG abandoned the HIS.

What makes a great fighter? Wuxia physics or real life, the basic ingredients are the same: strength/power, speed, agility, reflex, muscle memory, some strategy. One thing is also as important as those things: sense of balance. A great fighter needs to maintain his balance at all time. When off-balance, he can't strike effectively and will be exposed for the opponent's attack. There are many martial arts disciplines whose primary attack is to throw your opponent off-balance: Jujitsu, wrestling, etc.

When YG yields the super heavy HIS with his lone arm, his center of gravity shifts to 1/3 of his body. This means that he's inherently always off-balance. He can still beat stupid fighters like QQR but sooner or later, other Great-caliber fighters are gonna figure this out.

YG is smart and he realizes this. So after Passionless Valley, he goes into hiding to figure out how to fix this. Of course, the HIS absolutely has to go. He's faced with 2 choices:
1. Progress to wooden sword stage
2. Get rid of the sword altogether and go back to palm attacks

YG picks option 2, probably because he's more comfortable with this path. Being a genius, YG realizes the disadvantage of his non-arm. Therefore, he tries to incorporate as many body parts in his attack as possible, something different from "traditional" wuxia arts, which primarily use hands/palms. Thus, Sad Palms are created. And thus, we never see YG with the HIS anymore. The HIS would be a huge hindrance to his martial arts progress and YG is very smart to get rid of it.

[FeilongZ]

Here's my theory why YG abandoned the HIS.

What makes a great fighter? Wuxia physics or real life, the basic ingredients are the same: strength/power, speed, agility, reflex, muscle memory, some strategy. One thing is also as important as those things: sense of balance. A great fighter needs to maintain his balance at all time. When off-balance, he can't strike effectively and will be exposed for the opponent's attack. There are many martial arts disciplines whose primary attack is to throw your opponent off-balance: Jujitsu, wrestling, etc.

When YG yields the super heavy HIS with his lone arm, his center of gravity shifts to 1/3 of his body. This means that he's inherently always off-balance. He can still beat stupid fighters like QQR but sooner or later, other Great-caliber fighters are gonna figure this out.

YG is smart and he realizes this. So after Passionless Valley, he goes into hiding to figure out how to fix this. Of course, the HIS absolutely has to go. He's faced with 2 choices:
1. Progress to wooden sword stage
2. Get rid of the sword altogether and go back to palm attacks

YG picks option 2, probably because he's more comfortable with this path. Being a genius, YG realizes the disadvantage of his non-arm. Therefore, he tries to incorporate as many body parts in his attack as possible, something different from "traditional" wuxia arts, which primarily use hands/palms. Thus, Sad Palms are created. And thus, we never see YG with the HIS anymore. The HIS would be a huge hindrance to his martial arts progress and YG is very smart to get rid of it.

Great analysis!
However, the HIS was ~70 kg and the tiger was ~100 kg (a thin tiger I guess) and the author stated that YG swung it around like nothing, after the six-year ocean training.
Therefore, the HIS weight is not an issue for YG.
YG sadness toward XLN was the source for his creation of Sad Palms.

The HIS and its techniques were YG's highest martial arts, since he regretted not bringing the HIS against JLFW in the final battle.
Therefore, YG never abandoned the HIS but he didn't really need it since he felt like he had reached a very high level with the wooden sword because the Divine Condor could not last more than 3 stances at the conclusion of the six-year ocean training.

[Ken Cheng]

Here's my theory why YG abandoned the HIS.

What makes a great fighter? Wuxia physics or real life, the basic ingredients are the same: strength/power, speed, agility, reflex, muscle memory, some strategy. One thing is also as important as those things: sense of balance. A great fighter needs to maintain his balance at all time. When off-balance, he can't strike effectively and will be exposed for the opponent's attack. There are many martial arts disciplines whose primary attack is to throw your opponent off-balance: Jujitsu, wrestling, etc.

When YG yields the super heavy HIS with his lone arm, his center of gravity shifts to 1/3 of his body. This means that he's inherently always off-balance. He can still beat stupid fighters like QQR but sooner or later, other Great-caliber fighters are gonna figure this out.

YG is smart and he realizes this. So after Passionless Valley, he goes into hiding to figure out how to fix this. Of course, the HIS absolutely has to go. He's faced with 2 choices:
1. Progress to wooden sword stage
2. Get rid of the sword altogether and go back to palm attacks

YG picks option 2, probably because he's more comfortable with this path. Being a genius, YG realizes the disadvantage of his non-arm. Therefore, he tries to incorporate as many body parts in his attack as possible, something different from "traditional" wuxia arts, which primarily use hands/palms. Thus, Sad Palms are created. And thus, we never see YG with the HIS anymore. The HIS would be a huge hindrance to his martial arts progress and YG is very smart to get rid of it.

Makes sense. Dook Goo Kau Bai aside, most of Yeung Gor's influences were warriors who generally preferred unarmed combat.

[EdenResident]

Makes sense. Dook Goo Kau Bai aside, most of Yeung Gor's influences were warriors who generally preferred unarmed combat.

Right. Aside from a brief foray into the Jade Maiden sword, YG is primarily a palm-user. The HIS, in essence, is just like weight training to him. It doesn't add much to his swordmanship level.

[Western Eccentric]

Great analysis!
However, the HIS was ~70 kg and the tiger was ~100 kg (a thin tiger I guess) and the author stated that YG swung it around like nothing, after the six-year ocean training.
Therefore, the HIS weight is not an issue for YG.
YG sadness toward XLN was the source for his creation of Sad Palms.

The HIS and its techniques were YG's highest martial arts, since he regretted not bringing the HIS against JLFW in the final battle.
Therefore, YG never abandoned the HIS but he didn't really need it since he felt like he had reached a very high level with the wooden sword because the Divine Condor could not last more than 3 stances at the conclusion of the six-year ocean training.

With HIS YG indeed very powerful but in the other hand he lose some of his agility and mobility than if he use Sad Palm so I think depends on the combatants he face..

[Western Eccentric]

Makes sense. Dook Goo Kau Bai aside, most of Yeung Gor's influences were warriors who generally preferred unarmed combat.

But to defeat very powerful formidable opponent you still need "weapon" that why JLFW using his wheels against YG but when he fought ZBT he fought him barehanded..

[Western Eccentric]

Right. Aside from a brief foray into the Jade Maiden sword, YG is primarily a palm-user. The HIS, in essence, is just like weight training to him. It doesn't add much to his swordmanship level.

So why YG regretting he not bring HIS when he fought JLFW in Xiangyang..

[FeilongZ]

Right. Aside from a brief foray into the Jade Maiden sword, YG is primarily a palm-user. The HIS, in essence, is just like weight training to him. It doesn't add much to his swordmanship level.

Who needs exquisite or elaborated sword techniques when you could use simple but powerful stances to defeat your opponents.
"Simplicity brings Superiority"

[FeilongZ]

But to defeat very powerful formidable opponent you still need "weapon" that why JLFW using his wheels against YG but when he fought ZBT he fought him barehanded..

Truely agree.

[FeilongZ]

So why YG regretting he not bring HIS when he fought JLFW in Xiangyang..

Because JLFW was armed with his wheels and maybe YG tought he would finish him quicker with the HIS.

[Western Eccentric]

Who needs exquisite or elaborated sword techniques when you could use simple but powerful stances to defeat your opponents.
"Simplicity brings Superiority"

But you would lack agility as well as your mobility especially when you face someone with superior qinggong like DFBB or XLN so HIS only give YG advantage in direct energy clash which no one weapon or palm technique could matched HIS in terms of "power" in Trilogy..

[Ken Cheng]

But to defeat very powerful formidable opponent you still need "weapon" that why JLFW using his wheels against YG but when he fought ZBT he fought him barehanded..

Chow Bak Tung wasn't trying to kill him (and vice versa).

[Western Eccentric]

Chow Bak Tung wasn't trying to kill him (and vice versa).

But if he use his wheels I think he would able to beat ZBT..

[pannonian]

Great analysis!
However, the HIS was ~70 kg and the tiger was ~100 kg (a thin tiger I guess) and the author stated that YG swung it around like nothing, after the six-year ocean training.
Therefore, the HIS weight is not an issue for YG.
YG sadness toward XLN was the source for his creation of Sad Palms.

The HIS and its techniques were YG's highest martial arts, since he regretted not bringing the HIS against JLFW in the final battle.
Therefore, YG never abandoned the HIS but he didn't really need it since he felt like he had reached a very high level with the wooden sword because the Divine Condor could not last more than 3 stances at the conclusion of the six-year ocean training.

Boredom actually.