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    Quote Originally Posted by Melanie View Post
    I remember Green Shadow as a stoic, brooding guy, but he wasn't as bad as SCN, nor was he as charming. In some ways, Green Shadow reminded me of Fu Hong Xue. Now that Wallace Chung is playing Fu Hong Xue, I've been scanning through the English translation of Tian Ya Ming Yue Dao, and I find Fu Hong Xue quite similar to your Green Shadow, minus the rape, of course. I don't think Fu Hong Xue raped anyone in the TYMYD novel.

    I was quite shocked by the rape, though. Although, I felt that by the time the rape occurred, Yu Ting already loved GS. That didn't excuse GS's actions, but it did explain why she forgave him so easily.
    GS was not a flirt and remained mostly quiet had HYT not stumbled into his life. The drunken rape happened as a desparate attempt to get someone to stay with him because at one crucial moment, he realised that in all his power he had nothing. He was very guilty about it when he sobered up wheras SCN dismisses it as natural. SCN expects BR to love him back but GS lets HYT choose despite his jealousy of HXF and yearning for her love and companionship.

    HYT was in love with GS at the time of the rape but she was actually horrified at him after the act. She chose not to be with him and honour her bethrothal to HXF only to realise that she had long ago stopped loving him because she was not who she was anymore and neither was he who he used to be. Fame had changed him and meeting GS had changed her. She no longer had a reason to wait for HXF to come home.

    As to why HYT forgave GS so easily was that he was courteous/respectful to her at all other times and his genuine love for her made her feel safe whereas HXF's love for her was less focussed. Plus she was already pregnant at the time when she got rescued by GS so ancient women tend to be more biased to the father of their children. There was an connection between the two because without each other, they would be alone and incomplete and only together would they find the slightest chance of happiness when the world was against them. Rape was rape no matter how it happened. But she could have spent the rest of her life hating him or open her heart and arms to accept him as a lover/protector instead.

    Maybe if i was more mature and had more time then (remember it was Year 10 SWOT Vac), I would have developed the characters more. but I like to keep things as they are so i would always know what I was like in Yr 10.

    Anyway, according to me, SCN pisses me off with his egotistic attitude about forcing and conquering BR and thinking there is nothing wrong with it whereas GS patiently waited for HYT patiently and actually asked her to marry him. I don't doubt either man's love for his wife but GS's actions move me a lot more than SCN.
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    Are you guys talking about characters in a fanfic, tv series, or novel? This Green Shadow sounds interesting. Not as cool as my man, SCN, but I want to read about him. Any links would be much appreciated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Melanie View Post
    Actually, I was thinking of having SFF and Wallace Chung reprise their roles as reincarnated lovers (with different names in the next life). It never occurred to me to replace SFF with Song Jia. SFF fits perfectly into the dainty, beautiful maiden role, I must say. She grew on me the minute I had her BR slap SCN around a few times in chapter 85.
    You made me so happy! .
    This is so exciting! More and , then Black Rose will go because this time around, she will have awesome, badass martial arts. And Tweety will be around to comfort a bruised and lonely SCN . I know, I need
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    Mel, I just thought you would be interested in reading this:

    http://www.winglin.net/fanfic/wid_/

    WID = Winglin Is Dead. While browsing the main page of Winglin, the title intrigued me. It turns out that lots of writers nowadays are experiencing a dramatic decline in readers and comments. Hopefully, this will make you feel better regarding the lack of comments. I've been thinking , now why does a wonderful story like Legendary Book have such a low response rate? Years ago, stories that were well written, had great plot, and with awesome casts were so popular. Logically speaking, it should still be popular. Well, my assumptions were confirmed by other members:
    1. Winglin was a smaller site years ago and the community was tighter.
    2. Winglin had a lot of technical errors and were "under construction" for the longest time. Hence losing members.
    3. Good writers grew out of writing since it is a hobby for most and many have very busy lives now.
    4. Apparently a good number of writers have defaulted to asianfanfics, which mostly contains K-pop casts since K-pop is very popular now.

    I just wanted you to not get completely discouraged with writing. It would be a real shame .
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    charbydis -

    GSS brings back such good memories. I remember I read your story when I was so young and was so impressed. It was like watching an old TVB wuxia series and being so awed by everything, the costumes, the acting, the story. Thanks for such a good read.

    I recall thinking GS was a gentleman, despite being leader of an evil sect. But then he went and shocked me with the rape. I was so shocked that I tried to ignore it and didn't even mention it when I first wrote to you to compliment you on your story. I don't know if you remember, but you were the one who brought up the issue of GS raping HYT.

    All your grievances against SCN are very valid. I never meant for SCN to be a gentlemen. He's a bandit, and not just any random bandit off the streets who pickpockets little old ladies. He leads one of the most powerful sects in the martial arts world at the time and is a respected (though not well-liked) martial artist. To hold such great power and to successfully command a group of thieves, killers, and shady men of all types, SCN himself must rule with an iron fist, or he'll have a rebellion on his hands. He has to be mean, tyrannical, and to a certain extent, self-serving. He has to make clear to his men that his word is law, and they either respect that or they die. No negotiations are allowed. I think if you view SCN from this perspective, you may understand his egotistical attitude a bit more. While you still might not like him, you'll see the world with his eyes.

    With this type of lifestyle, it is no wonder that he treats Black Rose the way he does. He sees a woman he likes and he grabs her whether she wants to go with him or not. He has never had to ask politely, because he's a bandit, and bandits just take without asking for permission. The fact that he cares enough to apologize to her when she fakes tears and tells him he is too heavy and crushing her is already a very telling sign that, somewhere buried deep inside his chest, is a beating heart that can love if he meets the right woman. With the right woman and with enough motivation, SCN has the potential to be quite a gentleman with a romantic soul...as you'll see later on. And the fact the he is willing to honor his two promises to her means that he is willing to compromise for her.

    Sure, SCN has many flaws, but he's a flawed character (as I keep warning poor tweety). He is not suppose to be some romantic hero, neither is he a romantic villain. He's a dangerous man, who grew up in a world where he must strike first or else risk being killed or betrayed by his men. I think someone like that who tries to change and be a better person for someone he loves is truly worth a second glance.

    I'm not saying SCN is a better guy than GS, as I still like your GS better. I just thought I would explain a bit about SCN's character, which would be revealed more later on in little snippets.


    tweety -
    Green Shadow is the male protagonist in charbydis' old fanfic called Green Silk Sword. It was actually the fanfic that inspired me to write my own. You should read it if you have time. It's not too long, and I cried buckets at the end. Sometimes, I still go back and read it, and it's still as beautiful as I remember it. And I still cry buckets at the end. Ask charbydis for the link, because I have the link saved on my old laptop. Or you can google it.

    And thanks, buddy, for showing me that WID link. Lately, I have been getting very few readers winglin. So far, Crystal and you are the only two who are still leaving me comments on winglin. I used to have at least a handful readers on winglin, who leave such long, thoughtful comments for me. Now, I just see an empty comment page even months after a new chapter has been posted. Times have changed, I guess. But I'll continue writing, just for the few loyal ones who are still hanging around. I am fortunate to still have a few readers left - you, charbydis, and Crystal. I had a few more a few months ago, but I seemed to have lost them - Linda, icrayray, HaoMei. Cherrie pops in and out, so I don't expect her to comment that often. Oh, well. Well, at least, now I know my bad, disorganized writing is not the sole reason for scaring away readers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melanie View Post
    Sure, SCN has many flaws, but he's a flawed character (as I keep warning poor tweety).
    Unfortunately, your warnings have and will continue to fall on deaf ears. I am fully aware of SCN’s many, many faults. He is an imperfect, egotistical character with a better-than-thou mentality. And I still this character. Love is blind . Just like a moth drawn to the bright light of an outdoor electric bug zapper . This does not mean I approve of his conduct, mind you

    Thanks for the title of charby's work. I will definitely check it out. I think that story will be more along my cup of tea than eunuchs, but I will get to Forbidden City by winter .
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    Quote Originally Posted by tweety365 View Post
    Unfortunately, your warnings have and will continue to fall on deaf ears. I am fully aware of SCN’s many, many faults. He is an imperfect, egotistical character with a better-than-thou mentality. And I still this character. Love is blind . Just like a moth drawn to the bright light of an outdoor electric bug zapper .
    Why do you love SCN so much? You admit that he's bad. BAD! So why do you keep cheering for the guy? Do you think Black Rose has as poor judgment as you? She probably has more sense than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melanie View Post
    Why do you love SCN so much? You admit that he's bad. BAD! So why do you keep cheering for the guy? Do you think Black Rose has as poor judgment as you? She probably has more sense than you.
    You can't rationalize and explain LOVE
    Well, currently, Black Rose has better judgment. I don't know what you have in store for her .

    And stop trying to burst my happy bubble ?! Leave my man alone

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    Quote Originally Posted by tweety365 View Post
    You can't rationalize and explain LOVE
    Well, currently, Black Rose has better judgment. I don't know what you have in store for her .
    She's going to be pissed at SCN when she finds out he got her pregnant, and just when she's all set to start a new life back in her homeland, too!

    And stop trying to burst my happy bubble ?! Leave my man alone
    The last I checked, SCN is my man. I created him.

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    I still remember all the hatemail I got when the rape chapter came out!
    How come you don't have any? Not fair! Not fair!

    I think that my main problem with SCN is that as a side story, there is not enough time allow the lust to love transformation in him to develop. Because the story is retold by the monk to Jing Mun, the story cannot follow a smooth timeline and it just jumps to the next stage. I wasn't even aware that Black Rose and SCN had sex until you told me. I don't think you should worry too much about it. I just don't like guys who resemble SCN!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melanie View Post
    She's going to be pissed at SCN when she finds out he got her pregnant, and just when she's all set to start a new life back in her homeland, too!
    Well, he's gonna blow his top when he finds out she ran away carrying his child. Nobody takes what belongs to SCN away, heck, nobody takes anything he likes away and not suffer dire consequences . Yeah, I know, tweety is going crazy. I need

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    The last I checked, SCN is my man. I created him.
    Too bad. Just like SCN, I claim what I like. He's my new boytoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by tweety365 View Post
    Well, he's gonna blow his top when he finds out she ran away carrying his child. Nobody takes what belongs to SCN away, heck, nobody takes anything he likes away and not suffer dire consequences . Yeah, I know, tweety is going crazy. I need
    Hopefully, he'll realize that strong-arm tactics don't work with Black Rose. He can drag her back, but she'll only try to run away again at the next opportunity. He can't hold onto her if she doesn't love him. Plus, I don't think they both realize yet that they're going to become parents, so they're both in for a shock. And you'll find out that she has quite a violent temper when she's angry. Maybe she'll beat SCN up and he'll just have to stand there and take it or risk endangering the baby.



    Too bad. Just like SCN, I claim what I like. He's my new boytoy
    Tweety's now adopting SCN's characteristics as her own. I've created a monster.




    Quote Originally Posted by charbydis View Post
    I still remember all the hatemail I got when the rape chapter came out!
    How come you don't have any? Not fair! Not fair!
    I probably don't have any hate mail because nobody's reading the chapters other than you and tweety.

    I think that my main problem with SCN is that as a side story, there is not enough time allow the lust to love transformation in him to develop. Because the story is retold by the monk to Jing Mun, the story cannot follow a smooth timeline and it just jumps to the next stage. I wasn't even aware that Black Rose and SCN had sex until you told me. I don't think you should worry too much about it. I just don't like guys who resemble SCN!
    I absolutely agree with you that the SCN story is a bit disjointed. I'm going to try to make it flow a bit better in the upcoming chapters, but no promises, since I can't devote that much time to it. I can only do my best.

    It is assumed that they consummated the marriage, since it has been three months since he kidnapped her and forced her into marriage. Then, after she escaped, she was experiencing some symptoms of nausea and dizziness, hinting that she could be hungry and tired or she could be pregnant and just didn't realize it yet. I'm going to try to fill in the gaps during those three months between the kidnapping and BR's escape in the next chapter to try to explain their relationship a bit better. No promises. I'm just going to try and see if the story will flow appropriately. If not, I won't post it or else it'll confuse everyone.

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    Well, if Tweety has the SCN syndrome, then we will all know what will haopen next when she kidnaps Wallace!
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    Quote Originally Posted by charbydis View Post
    Well, if Tweety has the SCN syndrome, then we will all know what will haopen next when she kidnaps Wallace!
    Where's tweety these days? Plotting to kidnap SCN?

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    Tweety has been patiently waiting for an update on SCN. What has the evil author been doing? Killing off more characters?

    Btw, I just finished posting my comment on Green Silk Sword on winglin. You didn't have to spam my profile page, Mel. That is wasted time that could be spent writing about my SCN .

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    Quote Originally Posted by tweety365 View Post
    Tweety has been patiently waiting for an update on SCN. What has the evil author been doing? Killing off more characters?

    Btw, I just finished posting my comment on Green Silk Sword on winglin. You didn't have to spam my profile page, Mel. That is wasted time that could be spent writing about my SCN .
    I've discovered that I quite enjoy spamming. Come spam my profile page!

    I've written about 11 pages of the next chapter. And you'll be happy to know that your SCN appears in the next chapter again. My previously written chapter 87 has been edited. I haven't killed anyone so far, but I'm seriously considering knocking off a popular character. I might lose some readers but the characters have to go some time or other since the story is coming to an end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tweety365 View Post
    Tweety has been patiently waiting for an update on SCN. What has the evil author been doing? Killing off more characters?

    Btw, I just finished posting my comment on Green Silk Sword on winglin. You didn't have to spam my profile page, Mel. That is wasted time that could be spent writing about my SCN .
    Hi! I read it! Thanks for reading! I have always not been totally happy with GGS because it was my first piece of work. Flaws are evreywhere.
    I had once thought of rewriting it but I think to write a new story would be better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melanie View Post
    And you'll be happy to know that your SCN appears in the next chapter again. My previously written chapter 87 has been edited.
    Tweety nodding her head in approval


    Quote Originally Posted by charbydis View Post
    Hi! I read it! Thanks for reading! I have always not been totally happy with GGS because it was my first piece of work. Flaws are evreywhere.
    I had once thought of rewriting it but I think to write a new story would be better.
    It was a pleasure to read. I've noticed now much your writing has matured throughout the years. Your 1st work is already pretty good (just needs editing and more character/plot development). Perhaps later on you might want to fine tune the story and get it published . Please remember to save me a copy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tweety365 View Post
    Tweety nodding her head in approval
    Good thing SCN is already "dead," or else tweety will be breathing down my neck for the next twenty years complaining about how I killed off her sweetie in the flashback story.




    Perhaps later on you might want to fine tune the story and get it published . Please remember to save me a copy.
    Me, too. Save me a copy. And make sure you punish Hong Xue Feng a bit more in the edited version. Give him a whipping. I hate that man. That no good, fickle, arrogant, selfish...

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    I don't mind characters dying if it is done in a good fashion. So kill whoever you want Mel!

    Don't think I will rewrite GSS though if I do, I am getting rid of all the girls for HXF. Too many and not distinctive enough.

    Anyway, I feel like stopping fanfic writing after "The Forbidden City"I have the ideas in my head but no motivation to write anymore. (Dont worry, SS! I will finish TOV with yoy! ) Afterall, you spend long hours in front of the monitor and probably long nights to finish a chapter, but what do you get in return? Lack of sleep and black panda eyes! I'm not getting any younger and I need my beauty sleep too!

    BTW, my head is all full of Lau Gan now and it is very distracting when I am at work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by charbydis View Post
    I don't mind characters dying if it is done in a good fashion. So kill whoever you want Mel!
    I hope other readers will be as understanding as you are, charbydis. The character I am thinking of doing away with is quite popular, so I am still hesitating a bit, as I expect a big uproar if and when I post that chapter.

    Don't think I will rewrite GSS though if I do, I am getting rid of all the girls for HXF. Too many and not distinctive enough.
    I do agree the 7 girls were a bit superfluous, other than to serve as a catalyst for Yu Ting to leave Hong Xue Feng and return back to Green Shadow's side. However, who am I criticize when I have plenty of superfluous characters, like Benny Chan's Koo Yat Keung? I regret adding his character in as his character is useless. At least for Frankie Lam's Lam Yik Wah, his character's death is a major event that will set the stage for unveiling the Master's identity to his family.

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