Help with ancient terms in Pinyin

[Mystery]

Can you give help me with the Pinyin words for the following terms as I attempted to write a wuxia novel

Master (not sifu, but owner of the household)
Sect
Father/Mother
Son/Daughter
Restaurant
Motel
Etc....

The more the better. Thank you so much for all of your helps!

[Son of Light]

Sect= Pai or Men or Bang
Dad= FuQin, or Die
Mom= MuQin. or Niang
Your Dad: LingZun
Your Mom: LingTang
Restaurant: Jiu Lou
Motel: KeZhan
Goondo: DaiZi
Scram: XiaoRen
Baddie: HunDan/WangBaDan

[Guo Xiang]

scram = xiaoren?

do you mean scum instead?

[Mystery]

Thank you you two! Keep them coming. You'll help launch my writing career !

[Du Gu seeking a win]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Son of Light

[B]Sect= Pai or Men or Bang


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Since the word 'sect' in English has something to do with religion, I personally would translate 'sect' into the word 'jiao' like in 'Ming Jiao' (HSDS).

But a question to you (as a native speaker of Chinese), could you explain the subtle differences or usage of the words:

'Pai' like in ShaoLin Pai

'Bang' like in Kai Bang

'Men' like in ? (rarely used in wuxia novels?)

I mean, they all mean 'union' but I believe there must be some preferences that one is used and not the other. By what criteria?


thanks

[Mystery]

Not a native Chinese speaker but reading too much wuxia novels thus my attempt at explaining these terms:

Kai Bang - Bang was used in this case to illustrate band of people together because of common background (all being beggars in this case) - like Union nowaday

Ming Jiao - Jiao is a more structural organization where people do not need to have the same career but they need to listen to the order of one leader. Usually shared the same goal - destroy enemy or something like that; has a bit of religious tone in the background as all people in Ming Sect sees fire as holy.

Hope all of this make sense. If mistaken, please correct me. Also, need more Pinyin term as I have a wuxia novel in progress.

I currently penned Full Moon Mansion in Fan Fic. Only 2 Chapters so far and constantly under construction so critiques & comments are greatly appreciate.

[philip]

"pai" i would think usually refers to a sect where people seek kung fu knowledge, etc... the terms "si fu"(master) and "tu di" (disciple) is usually used...

"bang" is more like a clan. a group of people who gather together w/ a common background and purpose perhaps. it includes things like bandit clans, beggar clan, ect. yea, i guess union would work

"jiao" refers more to a religious group. ie: "fuo jiao" (buddhism), "ji du jiao" (christianity), "hui jiao" (islam), etc... "muo jiao" people were ususally considered to warship demons.

[luna_rainbow]

I guess you could probably get the subtle differentiation in translation too:

pai = school; is used to refer to schools of thought/philosophy/martial arts
bang = union; bang is like "help" so an organisation formed on mutual aid

"men" is more religious. For example, you could use "pai" to refer to ways of thinking, but "men" is usually a sect or religious thought you have to part of.


More addresses (currently watching period series, so these words pop up ^^):
wife calls husband directly - "xiang gong"
husband refers to wife to friends - "nei ren"

[Du Gu seeking a win]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by luna_rainbow
[B]I guess you could probably get the subtle differentiation in translation too:

pai = school; is used to refer to schools of thought/philosophy/martial arts
bang = union; bang is like "help" so an organisation formed on mutual aid

"men" is more religious. For example, you could use "pai" to refer to ways of thinking, but "men" is usually a sect or religious thought you have to part of.



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Now that I ponder about it, I believe that 'men' is a general term either for 'pai' or 'bang' because the term for the chief of a 'pai' or 'bang' in both cases is called:

ÕÆ ÃÅ - zhang3 men2 (ren) , meaning the person who is in charge of the gate (men)

[luna_rainbow]

For "bang", especially kai bang, it's usually "bang1 zhu3" ^^

But men and pai are pretty similar things, just used in different settings...I think you rarely hear people refer to sects directly as "men"?

[Arisa]

Originally posted by Mystery
Can you give help me with the Pinyin words for the following terms as I attempted to write a wuxia novel

Master (not sifu, but owner of the household)

The more the better. Thank you so much for all of your helps!

if its a manor, he might be called Zhuangzhu (zhuang - manor, zhu - leader)

OR

Laoye (as in the old master - but it sounded old)

[Arisa]

Originally posted by Son of Light
Sect= Pai or Men or Bang

Your Dad: LingZun
Your Mom: LingTang
Restaurant: Jiu Lou

Adding on

Your Son: LingLang
Your Daughter: Ling Qianjin

[luna_rainbow]

Originally posted by Arisa
Your Daughter: Ling Qianjin

I'm not sure about this, but I always thought Ling Yuan was "your daughter". I think your wife is "Ling Ai"...

[mich]

Originally posted by luna_rainbow
I'm not sure about this, but I always thought Ling Yuan was "your daughter". I think your wife is "Ling Ai"...

Ling Ai and Ling Yuan means your daughter...while Ling QianJin is a more modern term.

For mother, it is usually Ling Tang unless it is the husband addressing the wife, it will be Nei Zi, Nei Ren or Fu Ren.

[luna_rainbow]

Ah thanks ^^ I always get "Ling Ai" confused.

[Mystery]

Thank you Arisa!

What's about Uncle (on father/mother side)?

Uncle's wife

Female cousin & Male Cousin

[dgfds01]

I'm not sure my spelling is correct but here goes

Maternal Uncle - Jiu Jiu
Paternal uncle:
Older than father - Bo Bo
Younger than father - Shu Shu

Maternal cousins:
Male - Biao Ge (older) or Biao Di (younger)
Female - Biao Jie (older) or Biao Mei (younger)

Paternal cousins:
Children of uncles (father's brothers)
Male - Tang Xiong/Ge (older) or Tang Di (younger)
Female - Tang Jie (older) or Tang Mei (younger)

Children of aunts - same as maternal cousins

[Arisa]

Originally posted by Mystery
Thank you Arisa!

What's about Uncle (on father/mother side)?

Uncle's wife

Female cousin & Male Cousin

uncle's wife:

depending on uncle from which side.

paternal

elder: bomu
younger: shenshen

maternal: jiuma

[Mystery]

How does a younger brother address his older brother's wife?

Is there a term for martial arts' sisters and brothers to address each other?

[Han Solo]

How does a younger brother address his older brother's wife?

Ta Shau (Elder sister-in-law)

Is there a term for martial arts' sisters and brothers to address each other?

Shi-Siong : Elder Apprentice Brother
Shi-Di : Younger Apprentice Brother
Shi-Chia : Elder Apprentice Sister
Shi-Mei : Younger Apprentice Sister

Shi-Ge = Shi-Siong