Canadian Hockey Team

[James Ko]

For the award voting yes and no... Playoff really doesn't affect the voting but it could influence it next year, if you have the same performance.

Majority of the time who ever win the scoring race usually wins the MVP unless the person is so dominating. I got a feeling St. Louis will win it because he lead the league in scoring (Arts Ross) plus leading TB the best record.

But if they rated on heart maybe Iggy has a chance...

Brodeur shouldn't win... to me I didn't think he has a great season. Probably the reason he got reconized is because his defensemen were all hurt.

Wonder when would Sundin get nominated as MVP.

Anyways... some of the awards doesn't make sense to me anymore. They have FRANK J. SELKE TROPHY to reconized the best defense forward which is cool because a lot of these folks are unsung heroes. But yet they have only one award for defense, JAMES NORRIS MEMORIAL TROPHY, as the best defensemen.... there were times this award were given out based on +/- Ratings... some say the defense that score the most usually win this. They should have BOBBY Orr Trophy... reconized the defensemen that plays like a scorer

Another is LADY BYNG MEMORIAL TROPHY, for best sportsmanship... I mean every year the folks that get nominated are scorers that don't fight etc... but I bet there is probably lots of no names that really should get this... but didn't. To me this award is like given to those scores that never won an MVP or major award but NHL feel sorry for them so they gave this to them.

I hope Roberto Luongo wins the VEZINA TROPHY... why you might ask... look at him... he plays for a team that can't score... he take shots after shots... and still manage to try to save Panther's season. But he probably wouldn't win because his team sucks.

[trizz251]

ya some awards are bogus, just get rid of them, but they can't those awards have cash value on it, cause it has ppl's name on it, and robert luongo won't win it because of the crappy team, i thik kiprusoff will win it, talk about an unbelievable season. Iginla may have a chance since he started scoring half way through the season and still managed to lead his team to the cup finals, while st. louis, we were expecting him to score a lot cause tampa got back to back division title and with tampa's 12 straight win, that is what carried them to the PO

[superkaratemonkey]

Originally posted by trizz251
hey everybody who comes this far to the PO needs a shave, cause it's tradition to let it grow long, lol

i remember gelinas, neminen, lecavalier, richards, fedotanko, khabibulin and many others didnt have a PO beard. those undedicated bastards!! haha j/k

[superkaratemonkey]

Originally posted by James Ko

Wonder when would Sundin get nominated as MVP.

when he plays like the top 3-5 player in the league!
seriously, i respect sundin alot, but he never finish in the top 3 in the league in pts, never lead the leafs to the president trophy, and hes not the only star player on his team.

i think there should be a ray bourque trophy for highest scoring D, and a scott stevens trophy (assuming hes gonna retired) for the best defensive D, and scrap the norris trophy.
and there should be a wayne gretzky trophy for the most assists, if they have a maurice richard trophy for most goals, then they should have one for assist too.

its hard to imagine brodeur not takin the vezina. if hes the only goalie nominated for hart, than hes gotta be the best goalie, than he should win the vezina. makes no sense if luongo beats out brodeur for vezina but hes not good enuff to be nominated for hart while brodeur is....

[trizz251]

i think brodeur is only named on vezina and hart cause of last yr. that's all, it's kind of stupid, he already got all the fame and fortune. and ya i think they would name the trophies on ppl who aren't that active in hockey any more

[James Ko]

hehe maybe some of those folks can't grow beard like most asian folks

Anyways back to the award... I still think Brodeur is overrated... due to the defensive style Devils plays. Any decent goalies will have great stats in that system.

For offensive defensive award they should name it after the guy that started all Bobby Orr... I know most never saw him play but this guy was awsome... most would rank him #1 best player in the history of the game even ahead of the Great One. But due to injuries shorten his career. James Norris was a great defensive defensemen, probaby better then Scott Stevens

ya you are right.... Sundin is not great in the NHL. but he has been playing great in the world tournment being name 1st team all star... but in NHL that is totally different...

I want Gilmour back... he was robbed a Harts award

[trizz251]

did you know gary roberts and joe nieuwendyk is gonna leave toronto as a two for one deal same as bill guerin and jason arnott from dallas, florida got the cash and may pick them up, plus i think teemu selanne and paul kariya might do that and leave colorado, and if florida pick all that up, cause they got the dough now and jacque martin, it's gonna be crazy, there maybe a second cup in florida.

[James Ko]

Panthers need more then that to get to the final... they also need good defencemen which they still don't have.

And who knows maybe Luongo might not do well next year because all the pressure is going to be on him to repeat what he did this year.

As for the Leafs, I think they will make a run for the Cup this year... and then after this year they will dismantle the team to lower salary cap and to bring in a younger team. It would be a great lost if Roberts and Joey leaves... but depends who they bring in too.

Teemu Selanne and Paul Kariya both went to Avls in hopes to win the Stanley Cup but as you can see this year... the Avls aren't that good of a team even with maybe one of the best lines last years.

Anyone know if Iggy is going to stay as a Flames or head to a market that will pay him more?

[xox]

Well this is what i understand so far Nilson, Nemo, Lyons, Leopold, kipper and Iginla will all get new contracts.
Conroy, Oliwa, Lowry, Commodore and possibly Simon and Gauthier will be gone.
And i think Turek is not going anywhere~

who knows maybe sutter can figure more stuff out.

[Canuck21]

Originally posted by James Ko
Panthers need more then that to get to the final... they also need good defencemen which they still don't have.

Excuse me but does Jay Bouwmeester ring a bell? This kid is phenomenal and I'm not exagerrating. He is up there with the likes of Rob Blake, Scott Niedermyer and Chris Pronger. His upside may even be higher than those three. He's among a handful that played for Canada at the World Junior at the tender age of 16 and at only 20 years old was namd best defenseman at last year's Worlds. This year, he was overshadowed by Scott Niedermyer but hey, it's Scott Niedermyer we're talking here.

[James Ko]

hehe one good defenseman doesn't give you the best defense in the league you need defensemen

He might be good in the world junior but I always rate defensemen by +/- rating He is like -15 this season and overall -44 over his career... that means everytime 15 goals is score on him this year...

He still got lots to learn and maybe pair him up with a better defenseman and he should be good.

[superkaratemonkey]

im a huge bouwmeester fan, but i dont think his upside can be higher then 3 accomplished norris trophy winner, dats like sayin he'll be the next bourque or orr. but u also cant judge a player solely on his +/-, cuz even bourque or orr will get minus-something playing for the panthers this yr. but these days, to win the cup u dont need a dominant Dman anymore. look at the lightning and flames, b4 this yr no Dman on those teams would've made your list of top 25 Dman in the league, but they are in the finals while lidstrom, blake, pronger etc sit home watching tv.
flames should try to keep conroy, altho moneys gonna be tight now dat iggy and kipper are gonna look for a HUGE raise! hopefully kipper wont pull a giguere next season
IMHO if roberts leave, the leafs chances for the cup is over. as great a leader sundin is, and as great a goalie belfore is, and as skill as mogilny is, roberts is the heart and soul of the team. he is their warrior, and even tho hes not always healthy, he brings the most impact in the PO when he does play.
i dont think kariya will go anywhere, he pick to goto colorado for the cup and hes not gonna quit on them after 1 season. selanne tho, i dont think he'll be back as long as granato is the coach there. hes done in colorado as far as im concern.
wow, the this had been a dream yr for lightning fan. the cup, the president trophy, the conn smythe winner, the leading scorer, the coach of the yr, the most gentlemanly player, and the best player voted by the players---these all belong to TB!! i wish the canucks would pull off a season like dat next yr

[James Ko]

Originally posted by superkaratemonkey
i wish the canucks would pull off a season like dat next yr

They should get a good goalie and they should be good

[trizz251]

i hope calgary don't get rid of conroy cause he's been a dynamic centre and faceoff man for them don't they get some revenue from selling all those merchandise in the PO and heres the link to da winners of the nhl awards

http://www.nhl.com/onthefly/news/2004/06/214228.html

[James Ko]

Is really hard to say what will the Flames do next year, how much their free agents or players are worth in the market... or if the team want to make another run at the cup.

[trizz251]

hey they get almost a whole year off because of the lock out, so it's really hard to say, maybe tampa will lose all their key players, maybe oilers, could grab some ppl, and pittsburgh move and relocate, so much rumours about pittsburgh, but anything can happen with no season, and ppl all turn to the european leagues or now the wha and watch their fav players

[Canuck21]

Originally posted by James Ko
hehe one good defenseman doesn't give you the best defense in the league you need defensemen

He might be good in the world junior but I always rate defensemen by +/- rating He is like -15 this season and overall -44 over his career... that means everytime 15 goals is score on him this year...

He still got lots to learn and maybe pair him up with a better defenseman and he should be good.

Not just the World Junior. He barely played at the World Juniors because he was only 16 and 17. His better accomplishment was at the World Championships. He was named the best defensement of the whole tournament. He played against guys like Sundin and Forsberg. That says a lot. His upside is huge I'm telling ya. You're right that a good defenseman doesn't make the best defense. I'll give you that. And Bouwmeester still has lots to learn too.

[Canuck21]

Originally posted by superkaratemonkey
im a huge bouwmeester fan, but i dont think his upside can be higher then 3 accomplished norris trophy winner, dats like sayin he'll be the next bourque or orr. but u also cant judge a player solely on his +/-, cuz even bourque or orr will get minus-something playing for the panthers this yr. but these days, to win the cup u dont need a dominant Dman anymore. look at the lightning and flames, b4 this yr no Dman on those teams would've made your list of top 25 Dman in the league, but they are in the finals while lidstrom, blake, pronger etc sit home watching tv.

When talking about upside, we're talking about the athlethe's talent, skills and his possibilities. The fact that he was invited to Team Canada's junior at 16 shows that he's a rare talent that the game hasn't seen since a very long time. Among other 16 year's old, there have only been Gretzky, Lindros, Spezza and Crosby. So on theory, he can be better than Blake, Pronger and Niedemyer. That's his upside. In practice, who knows. At 21, he's already an All-Star at the international stage. That's a good start. We'll see how he'll end up.

[James Ko]

I think in hockey we are seeing some of the great leaving the game... which is why is hard to tell which upcoming stars is good.

The 3 recent hall of famer were all defencemen... I can tell Paul Coffey and Ray Bourque were in the same league but it was weird they also rank Larry Murphy up there with the first 2 great.

[trizz251]

i think corsby is gonna be a great star, he broke records in every league he was in so that's saying a lot of scoring talent and nice puck handling abilities. and bouwesster is pretty good, but he still have a long way to go, he is still young and there is lots of time for him