Dung Fong Bat bai in XAJH, what level is he at?

[Meh]

It might be interesting to note that Laviathan used the example of SPT defeating both the Lords of Xiake Island, who were the next two best in the world, as an example of why he thinks SPT is very strong, and yet that argument doesn't seem to apply for DFBB.

The thing is, the lords of Xia Ke Dao were considerably better than the other fighters on the island(like Zhang 3 and Li 4). While fighters on the island were ridiculously more powerful than everyong else. So SPT was literally god-like in terms of ability relative to everyone else. DFBB, despite living up to his 'invincible' nickname, was not able to separate himself in such a way.

One can make a good argument for DFBB to rank anywhere from Xiao Long Nu(who was definitely a notch below the top fighters in ROCH), all the way to being the equal of the top DGSD fighters. There's just not enough evidence to say either way. Shi Po Tian is similar in this regards. Both just don't have enough comparable opponents to truly test them.

[Ken Cheng]

I agree with the main thrust of Meh's points. STATE OF DIVINITY, for whatever reason, always seems to be an anomaly in the Jin Yong canon when it comes to martial arts rankings. It just doesn't fit in very well with DEMIGODS & SEMIDEVILS or the CONDOR HEROES TRILOGY.

[SolidSnake]

Originally posted by Meh
There's just not enough evidence to say either way.

That single sentence alone is more logical.
Trying to compare characters from different books always ends up with asumptions and asumptions ( + people pushing their own biased opinions ).
Even within JY's Condor trilogy itself is not easy to make comparison. LOCH and ROCH is quite comparable since they share a lot of living characters ( who still fight each other ), but ROCH vs HSDS? Let alone with other books which take place sooooo many years later

[CC]

Originally posted by linghuchong
ok, back to the topic....we are talkin about DFBB , "not" his technique or inner strength, he managed to be in the lead in the 3 on1 fight involving LHC, RWH, and LHCs sworn bother until the fight got disrupted by RYY. So why do you lot think that he cant match a great..

Yup, even when the incomparable Xiao Feng was fighting DCQ, MRF and YTZ and he was significantly superior to any of them individually, could not own them as much as DFBB did those 3+1.
DFBB was probably not one but two leagues above LHC and RWX.

[Ren Wo Xing]

At least; he used a bleeping NEEDLE to block a sword strike from LHC. That's insane.

[TristeCoeur]

Originally posted by Ren Wo Xing
At least; he used a bleeping NEEDLE to block a sword strike from LHC. That's insane.

...while kicking Ren Wo Xing's arse at the same time. That's even more insane.

(sorry couldn't resist It's true though )

[Han Solo]

The comparison used for DFBB and XLN in this thread is about their respective speed, not their level of greatness.

[TristeCoeur]

Originally posted by Han Solo
The comparison used for DFBB and XLN in this thread is about their respective speed, not their level of greatness.

The comparisons so far have been about both.

[Ren Wo Xing]

Originally posted by TristeCoeur
...while kicking Ren Wo Xing's arse at the same time. That's even more insane.

(sorry couldn't resist It's true though )

Meany But yes, it is true.

However, RWX is a lot cooler

[linghuchong]

So..does anyone not agree with me that DFBB is roughly at around a greats level...?

[PJ]

So..does anyone not agree with me that DFBB is roughly at around a greats level...?

I for one share the same feeling as you.

[Anonymous]

Let's compare LittleDragonGirl with DFBB:
1. LittleDG's golden needles or LiMoChou (ScarletGoddess)'s poison needles versus DFBB's needles. Heck, got her jade bees too.
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2. AncientTombSect lightness versus DFBB's lightness-fu.
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3. Two-handed technique + JadeMaidenSwordplay = flawless, like LHC's DG9J versus more of DFBB's needles and stuff.
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Let's compare YangGuo w/ IronSword (after finished IronSword) versus DFBB:
1. 9Yin can catch DFBB's needles.
2. AncientTombSect lightness versus DFBB's lightness-fu.
3. IronSword (flawless) versus DFBB's innerPower.
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Another question to ask: Can LittleDragonGirl or YangGuo beat up LHC's accomplices (who went against DFBB)? What about GongSun of Passionless valley?
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Can YangGuo w/ IronSword (after finished IronSword) beat up the other three contenders to being The Greatest Mongolian Hero thing? Is this comparable to LHC's accomplices?

[Han Solo]

How fast is XLN? Any concrete examples?

[minutemanwayne]

Very fast. Even among The Greats her lightness kungfu was considered one of the best. In the race with her and Zhou Botong, she was slightly ahead of him. Of course this was only in lightness kungfu. If Zhou had used his internal energy, he would of won.

Dongfang Bubai's speed was compared to fighters who only had average lightness kungfu.

[Han Solo]

Fastness in terms of lightness kungfu is different of fastness in hitting your opponents. Is there also examples of how fast XLN uses her sword?

[Ren Wo Xing]

I've always wondered, actually, how XLN would compare with the former Iron Palm Sect leader, "Iron Palm Gliding Over Water," Qiu Qian Ren, in terms of qinggong. During LOCH, he was without a doubt the best in that category.

[TaiHan]

Originally posted by Ren Wo Xing
I've always wondered, actually, how XLN would compare with the former Iron Palm Sect leader, "Iron Palm Gliding Over Water," Qiu Qian Ren, in terms of qinggong. During LOCH, he was without a doubt the best in that category.

I'm not sure but in the ROCH's 83 adaptation. She beated him. Can anyone confirm?

[Noodles]

Originally posted by TaiHan
I'm not sure but in the ROCH's 83 adaptation. She beated him. Can anyone confirm?

She did 'beat' him in the novel but this was down to Zhou Bo Tong's help. When competing in a race over a long distance, it eventually boils down to how much internal energy you have to decide the race. Xiao Long Nuu does not have as much internal energy as Qiu Qian Ren and so was losing to him but Zhou Bo Tong came along and stuck her on his back and carried her for a while. Qiu Qian Ren tired and the rested Xiao Long Nuu was able to overtake him. In terms of qinggong, the novel stated that they were seperated by the smallest of margins but didn't say who was better. In my opinion though, Xiao Long Nuu had the edge in terms of lightness kung fu.

As for the speed of her sword techniques, she was pretty damn fast. Yin Ke Xi, Xiao Xiang Zi and co could not even see her sword properly. Even the Quan Zhen masters was not able to see her through her swordplay properly.

[minutemanwayne]

More over, Xiao Long Nu's techniques were flawless. Combine that with her exquisite speed and she is one bad mofo. Unfortunately, she had to deal with 5 top martial artists, each of whom had more internal energy than her.

[Anonymous]

Didn't XLN practices QuanZheng (Central Divinity's) inner power technique through YangGuo?