Dung Fong Bat bai in XAJH, what level is he at?

[Meh]

The problem with comparing XLN's speed and DFBB's speed is that you have different people weighing their opinions.

LHC is a special case when it comes to viewing techniques. If the technique is covered in his DG9J training, then he can see things very clearly, even at incredibly high speed. This is apparent in his fights against Yue Bu Qun and DFBB. But on the other hand, he couldn't see clearly in Ren Wo Xing against the Shaolin Abbot, yet Xiang Wen Tian had no difficulty observing the fight. Now this is kind of inconsistent, as DFBB used much more inner power on his needle than either Ren Wo Xing or Shaolin abbot is capable of. But since he used a "weapon", LHC apparently can see things well. So we'll take it at that.

Basically, LHC has observation skills *beyond* his natural ability, both in terms of pointing out weaknesses and speed. Whereas most other fighters' observation skills are consistent with their fighting ability. So even though LHC can see DFBB, but many top fighters in ROCH couldn't see XLN, doesn't mean XLN is faster. It just means that LHC has extrodinary observation skills.

[Anonymous]

Interesting second paragraph, Meh.
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So even though LHC can see DFBB, but many top fighters in ROCH couldn't see XLN, doesn't mean XLN is faster. It just means that LHC has extrodinary observation skills.

We could always compare these same "top fighters" (and their observational abilities) in ROCH observing another personage (preferably someone better than XLN) who display lightness-fu. (scenes: Old Urchin CBT in Mongolia, Passionless Valley observating CBT's disguise thing and YangGuo's fight, etc.)
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Actually, XLN only need to be near as fast as DFBB to beat the crap out of the other "top" fighters of SOD and then focus on LHC. Note, someone mentions that XLN has FAST sword-wielding.

[Trien Chieu]

ok, back to the topic....we are talkin about DFBB , "not" his technique or inner strength, he managed to be in the lead in the 3 on1 fight involving LHC, RWH, and LHCs sworn bother until the fight got disrupted by RYY. So why do you lot think that he cant match a great..

I think DFBB is at least at the great or KJ level given the fact that he can handle LHC, RWH, and LHC sworn brother simultaneously. As powerful as KJ is, he can't handle GWM and many other Mongolian fighters at the same time. However, I would say that DGQB is better than DFBB.

[kyss of the sword]

DFBB strength was he had developed high level of inner power and mastered his skills fully. his skill was based on victory through speed and swift reflexes and vicious lethal moves. if it came down to inner power, he might not necessarily be higher then RWX or abbott fangzhang but he had superior speed that made him unbeatable. XLN fought against the Mongolian experts, they had better inner power, but he speed was so fast she was able to beat them. when YG trained in the rapids, he increased not just his strenght but his speed also, if DGQB trained the same method for over forty years and was superior to YG then he should have incredible speed also.

[Ren Wo Xing]

DFBB strength was he had developed high level of inner power and mastered his skills fully. his skill was based on victory through speed and swift reflexes and vicious lethal moves. if it came down to inner power, he might not necessarily be higher then RWX or abbott fangzhang but he had superior speed that made him unbeatable. XLN fought against the Mongolian experts, they had better inner power, but he speed was so fast she was able to beat them. when YG trained in the rapids, he increased not just his strenght but his speed also, if DGQB trained the same method for over forty years and was superior to YG then he should have incredible speed also.

So you think Fang Zhang would be able to use a needle to block LHC's sword? That was a seriously impressive display of power from DFBB there.

[Ace High]

So you think Fang Zhang would be able to use a needle to block LHC's sword? That was a seriously impressive display of power from DFBB there.

Not to mention LHC's arm went numb with that 'simple' block.

[Wuxiakid]

why do people underestimate DFBB so much? As said previously, taking on 4 top fighters of SOD, in which 2 of them are the strongest in the novel is something noone has shown. Kiu fung couldnt take on youtanzhi+MRF, let alone if it was those 4. Kiu fung was considered great level too. I think the fight was pretty evident that Jin Yong was trying to show how strong DFBB is (or Kua fa bu din). Theres a reason why i think he was named as DFBB as well...


I think people seriously underestimate kua fa bu ding. It was the strongest technique in the novel. Someone as terrible as li Ping Zhi became a first class fighter in a matter of months. Just like how Zhou Zi Ruo became unmatched after learning Nine Ying, which was also the strongest arts of the novel. Dong Fong practiced it for more than a decade. Dong Fong should relly be at least in the level of the greats, if not higher.

[ChanceEncounter]

I think people seriously underestimate kua fa bu ding. It was the strongest technique in the novel. Someone as terrible as li Ping Zhi became a first class fighter in a matter of months. Just like how Zhou Zi Ruo became unmatched after learning Nine Ying, which was also the strongest arts of the novel. Dong Fong practiced it for more than a decade. Dong Fong should relly be at least in the level of the greats, if not higher.

People do underestimate DFBB and HHBD, but it's not the strongest technique in the novel. It yields results extremely quickly, in part because of the sacrifice required, but it's not fundamentally better at the top end than other skills mentioned in the same book (YJJ or DG9J). In fact, JY stated in a Q&A that he thinks DG9J is better. Obviously DFBB is superior to LHC, but LHC is also not a master of DG9J, and he has a significant internal disadvantage going against DFBB.

[Western Eccentric]

Well I think DFBB as good as end ROCH GJ/YG if not a bit better but they still at the same class..