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    Post The 2nd Wah Shan Luen Kim Tournament's Translation.

    Hey guys and girls. I had saved the translations of the 2nd Wah Shan tournament done by both Kwok and Moinllieon. You guys know who Moin is, but as for Kwok... He's one of the most intelligent JY readers that I know. I met both of these guys at yushy's JY forum. Anyway, I thought you guys might enjoy the translations done by these 2 guys so here it is. Enjoy! <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">


    Posted by Kwok on Tuesday, 12 September 2000, at 5:34 a.m.

    Hello

    Ken sent an e-mail to me requesting that I translate the events of the 2nd Wah San tournament, in particular how GJ fared against WYS and H7G. Here is a very rough translation of the beginning of the tournament.

    This is a fairly literal translation - I've not bothered smoothing out the grammar or punctuation to fit English conventions better (I don't have the time), and so it may sound rather odd at times. In particular, JY tends to favour very long sentences, spaced out by commas, that refer to a common subject implicitly whilst introducing various objects in the same sentence that are subsequently referred to by pronoun, switching between active and passive voice in doing so. Whilst this is lousy English, it is fine in Chinese due to the rigid sentence structure. Also, some phrases don't translate very well - these I replace with the general meaning.

    BTW, this translation covers roughly 1/5 of Chapter 40.

    Debatable translations are followed by Cantonese pinyin in braces { }
    My own comments are in square brackets [ ]

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    WYS's personality was strange, but he loved his young daughter very much, and secretly thought, "I might as well oblige her [referring to her little 'plot' to make GJ the best nominated fighter in the world]." He then said "Yong Yi's words are correct. If we two old men cannot defeat Jing Yi within 300 moves, what face do he have to declare ourselves the best in the world?" Reconsidering he thought, "Originally I could have held back, allowing him to last to 300 moves, but the old beggar would not be willing to hold back, and would definitely defeat him within 300 moves. At that point I'm not relinquishing to Jing Yi, but to the old beggar". He thought deeply for a moment, unable to decide.

    H7G pushed on GJ's shoulder, saying, "Quickly start fighting, what are you waiting for?" With a stumble, GJ charged in front of WYS. WYS thought, "Good, I'll first test his kung-fu, then decide what to do next." His raised his left palm, chopping diagonally at his shoulder, calling, "Move no. 1!"

    When WYS was still indecisive as to what to do, GJ was also unable to make a decision, "I must not take the honour of being named the best in the world, but should I let the island-master win, or let si-fu win?" He was just hesitating, but WYS was already brandishing his palms and chopping towards him. He raised his right arm to block, and his body teetered, almost falling down, he thought, "I'm so silly, thinking about relinquishing or not relinquishing? Even if I used full power, I couldn't possibly block 300 moves." Seeing WYS's second move coming, he focused his concentration on the battle, at this time his mind was made up, allowing both of them to use their true kung-fu to defeat him, as to who was quicker or slower, allow it to occur naturally, he himself would not exhibit the slightest bias.

    After a few moves, WYS was very surprised, "How could the little fool's {sor siu ji} kung-fu reach this stage? If I hold back any, never mind allowing him to last for over 300 moves, I'll probably end up defeated by him." Experts fighting could not hold back in the least. To start with WYS only used 70% power, but GJ fought back using full power, such that he was placed at a disadvantage. Becoming desperate, he quickly used 'Lok Ying San Gim Jeung', his image of his body becoming insubstantial {piu fut}, striving to get every move in first.

    But GJ's current kung-fu could not be compared to his past kung-fu, WYS changed his palm technique around 10 times, but still found it difficult to get back to getting his moves in first, when they exchanged around 100 moves, he suddenly used a crafty move; GJ didn't anticipate that he would use trickery, almost got kicked by his left foot, and had to retreat two steps, thereby levelling the situation again. WYS took a long breath, thinking "{tsam kwai} [expressing sentiment that a master such as himself would have to resort to such tactics]." He tried to use the opportunity to gain the upper hand, but he didn't anticipate that GJ defended himself with utmost stability, even when his [WYS] attacks were like frightening winds or waves, he [GJ] didn't try to win, only not lose, his techniques showed no sign of an opening. Hearing his daughter counting, "203, 204", WYS became very desperate, "The old beggar is very forceful {gong mang} when fighting, if he defeats Jing Yi within 100 moves, what face will I have remaining?" His techniques changed, his palms becoming floating, his attacks fast beyond belief.

    Now, GJ was immediately put at a disadvantage, feeling his breathing become rapid, like a large mountain was crushing heavily down on his body, gold stars floating crazily before his eyes, gradually coming to the point where he was no longer able to resist. WYS increased his speed, his attack solidifying, WY's counting followed in speeding up. GJ's lips and tongue became dry, arms and legs becoming numb and weak, increasingly becoming more difficult to block, feeling a
    solid mass of energy forcely coming down, just as he was getting desperate, suddenly WY shouted out "300!" WYS's face colour changed, and jumped backwards.

    At this time GJ had been pushed to the point of being dazed and dizzy, his body involuntarily turned counter-clockwise rapidly, turning over 10 circles, seeing [GJ] that after a few more circles he would fall down, he immediately employed a 'tsin gum jam' [1000 kilo press] with his left foot, intending to stabilise his body. But the force generated by WYS's inner power was immensely strong, although the person [WYS] had retreated, the effect of his techniques had not faded, GJ was not able to stabilise his body, so he resorted to bending his waist and stooping down, his right hand brushing the ground with power, employing the 18 dragon palms' forceful power, clumsily turning clockwise for around 10 more circles before his mind cleared, stood silently for a moment, then turned to WYS and said, "Island-master Wong, if you used a few more techniques, I will definitely have fallen down."

    WYS seeing that he had this amount of endurance, able to resist the 'kei moon 5 juen' [strange door 5 turns] that he spent around 10 years working on, wasn't enraged but was instead delighted, laughing, "Old beggar, I cannot succeed, the title of best fighter is yours." With a sweep of both hands, he turned around intending to leave.

    H7G said, "Take your time, take your time, I might not succeed either. Lend your iron flute to Jing Yi." WYS's jade flute had been snapped, on his waist was an iron flute, which he plucked out and handed to GJ. H7G said to GJ, "You use a weapon, I'll fight you bare-handed." GJ looked bewildered, saying, "This..." H7G said, "Your palm techniques were taught by me, why would we want to compete using fists and legs? Come on!" The 5 fingers on his left hand were like a hook, grabbing his wrist, snatching the iron flute over. GJ didn't understand his intentions, releasing the flute, not resisting. H7G scolded, "Little fool, we are having a martial-arts contest!" His left hand returned the flute to him, whilst his right hand came to snatch it. This time GJ retracted the flute to avoid it. WY counted, "1 move!"

    When experts have a martial-arts contest, it does not make much real difference whether one had a weapon in hand or not, H7G started employing his 18 dragon palms, the wind from his palms encompassing a region 1 'jeung' [1 jeung ~ 3 1/3 metres] wide, although GJ had an iron flute, how could he get close to counter-attack? Originally he was not proficient at weaponry, but ever since he was forced to spar with Au Yeung Fung on the cliff-face in 'Sai Wik', his swordsmanship received a great benefit. Since time immemorial martial-arts must be practiced in both offensive and defensive modes, GJ's weaponry skills on the other hand were 80% defensive, 20% offensive. This was because the weaponry skills taught by the Gong Lam 8 freaks weren't of the very highest quality, at that time he was only concerned with protecting himself rather than injuring the enemy, using his long sword to defend against AYF's wooden staff, researched more than a few methods of defending and dissipating force, at this time wielding the flute as a sword, using them [his new methods] to resist H7G's incredibly powerful palm wind, they turned out very effective.

    H7G saw that his defenses were sealed extremely tightly, he [H7G] was delighted in his heart, secretly thinking, "This child has progressed considerably, and has not wasted my time in teaching him, but if I defeat him within 200 moves, that would not be good for weird old Wong's face. After 200 moves, then I'll use heavy-handed moves." Therefore he used the 18 dragon palm techniques, consequtively displaying the techniques from the first change to the ninth, the wind making 'fu fu' noises, images of his palm had GJ's entire body enveloped.

    At this time if H7G fiercely applied a heavy-hand, GJ's weaponry skills had not yet attained the extreme peaks, originally he could not easily defend, but H7G in wanting to defeat him after 200 moves had passed, had made a mistake in one place. You need to know that GJ was young and strong, and after he had learnt "Yik Gun Duen Gwat Pin" [translates to 'tendon-changing bone-tempering section'] his inner power has even more deep, H7G on the other hand was not young anymore, his back had been bitten by AYF's snakes and struck by his palms, severely injuring him, every move of the 18 dragon palms needed the use of 'true power' [more or less equivalent to inner power], at the 9th change he had already emitted 162 palms, although the wake was still powerful and vicious, the after-effect was gradually seen to be weakening.

    After they exchanged over 200 moves, whilst GJ's sword techniques using the iron flute relatively weren't much to speak of, the accompanying techniques on his left hand were seen to be gradually strengthening. H7G secretly thought that this was detrimental to himself, if they thought head-on using strength, he [H7G] might lose at his [KJ's] hands, the little fool could be defeated using wits, not necessarily using strength, therefore moved both palms outwards, creating a large opening, GJ hesitated, thinking, "Sifu never taught me this palm technique." If he was fighting an enemy, naturally he could go straight down the centre, attacking the enemy's chest, but in front of him was his own beloved teacher, how could he employ this type of lethal technique? During his slight hesitation, H7G laughed, "You fell for my trick." His left foot suddenly rose, sending his flute flying away with a kick, right palm tilting diagonally, hitting his shoulder.

    This palm was being merciful [lit. 'palm under allowing emotion'], not wanting to injure his body, only using 80% power, anticipating that he must fall down, such that he would win. But he didn't know that GJ in the past couple of years had endured many hardships [lit. 'wind frost'], his body had been trained to be extremely durable, after he received this palm he merely teetered a few times, although his shoulder hurt and stung for a moment, he didn't fall. H7G seeing that he accepted to blow head-on, was very concerned, and said, "'To Lap' [an inner-power practice technique] 3 times, regulate your breathing, be wary of suffering inner damage." GJ followed his words and 'to lap'ed, the breath in his chest immediately smoothed out, and said, "I lost." H7G said, "No, a moment ago you relinquished to me first, if you admit defeat at this point, how will old weird Wong be satisfied? Receive my technique!" In saying this, he started wielding his palms and chopped across.

    GJ's hands had no weapon, seeing that the incoming technique was 'sharp', he used the 'Hung Ming Kuen' that Chou Bak Tung taught him to dissipate it. Hung Ming Kuen was the softest fist technique in the world, was created by CBT from the 'Tao Te Ching', in the 'Tao Te Ching' it says, 'A strong soldier will be destroyed, strong wood will be chopped. Hard and strong are lesser, soft and weak are greater.' [Passage 76 of Tao Te Ching] and 'Nothing is softer than water, and nothing is better than it for attacking the hard and strong, since nothing can change it. Weak defeats strength, soft defeats hard, no-one is ignorant of this, yet none can do so' [Passage 78 of Tao Te Ching]. The 18 dragon palms on the other hand was the epitome of the extreme hard extreme power school of martial arts. The ancients say 'soft can counter hard', but GJ had learnt the left-right inter-fighting technique, right hand using 'hung ming kuen', left hand using the dragon palms, a combination of the hard and soft, yin and yang mutually supportive, although H7G's fist techniques were powerful to the extreme, he [H7G] could not do anything about him [GJ].

    WY was at the side counting techniques, seeing 300 techniques were about to elapse, GJ still showed no signs of defeat, was delighted in her heart, and counted the moves one at a time. H7G heard her counting to 299, he couldn't resist the urge to win, and suddenly came out with a palm 'kong lung yau fui' [proud dragon has regrets], with incredible [lit. mountain-demolishing and sea pouring] power attacked straight across, when this technique came out, he immediately regreted it, afraid that GJ couldn't resist and would be heavily injured, shouted out, "Be careful!"

    GJ heard the should, the palm wind was already approaching his face, he felt the approaching attack powerful to the extreme, and knowing that he could not use 'hung ming kuen' to dissipate it, in desperation, his right arm drew a circle, and with a 'ping' sound, also pushed out a 'kong lung yau fui' technique. A 'ping' noise was heard, the two palms collided, and the whole bodies of the two shook violently. WYS and WY both cried out, going closer to watch.

    The two were seen with their palms against each other, motionless. GJ wanted to hold back, but he knew that his sifu's palms were powerful, if he retracted at that moment, with him [H7G] following his movement with a push, he would definitely be seriously injured, therefore he decided to resist the power for a moment, waiting until the power had reduced somewhat, and then avoid, relinquish and admit defeat. H7G seeing that GJ could resist the concentration of his life's energies in that one palm, could not help but be both surprised and delighted, his desire to preserve genius [in martial-arts, anyway] increased whilst that for victory decreased, decided to let him win in this exchange, thereby establishing his name, therefore he restrained his power, slowly retracting his strength.

    At this point when both sides had not won, when they were both relinquishing to the other, a person was heard shouting 3 times on the pack of the cliff-face, who flipped over with 3 somersaults, it was South Poison AYF. H7G and GJ simultaneously retracted their palms and jumped backwards...


    Beat Dog Sticks by Kwok:
    Not all the 36 moves were named. Those that were are:

    Ngor Gau Lan Lo (hungry dog blocks the road)
    Pang Da Seung Huen (stick hits the two dogs)
    Tser Da Gau Bui (diagonally hit the dog's back)
    Boot Gau Tsiu Tin (flip the dog to face the sky)
    Ngou Hou Dut Jeung (fierce dog's mouth snatches the staff)
    Pang Da Gau Tau (stick hits the dog's head)
    Fan Chor Gau Tsun (reverse jab the dog's bottom)
    Gnat Bin Gau Bui (squash the dog's back flat)
    Pang Tiu Lai Huen (stick raises into the diseased dog)
    Da Tso Ging Sei (hit the grass, rouse the snake)
    But Tso Chum Sei (beat the grass to find the snake)
    Tin Ha Mo Gau (no dogs in the world)

    Moinllieon (to finish where Kwok left off).

    Not an all out translation like the others, since this
    is merely to cover a bit of the story, so there will be abbreviations and bad spelling. Also the sentence might not flow as well.


    H7G and GJ immediately jump away from each other. AYF, with his cloths torn to pieces, face full of scratch marks, screams: 밒 have finally finished ? Yin Zhen Jin? I뭢 number one in the world!?


    He waves his snake staff, charged at the 4 of them.


    H7G waves his Dog Beating Stick, jumps forth and parried away his staff. After several exchanges, all 4 of them were amazed. AYF뭩 moves were strange and unusual to begin with, but now it is just plain bizarre! Once in a while he뭠l smack his own face, other times he뭠l throw his foot back and kick himself in the butt. Not only that, every move he makes, always changes in the middle of it without exception. H7G couldn뭪 figure out where he is attacking, in complete astonishment, all he could do is defend using this Dog Beating Stick Technique, not even thinking about attacking.


    Suddenly, AYF slapped himself 3 times, let out a huge scream, fell forward, put his hands on the ground, and started to crawl up to H7G. H7G can뭪 decide whether this is strange or funny: 밠y stick technique is best suited for beating dogs, you start attacking me like a dog??He aims his stick at AYF뭩 waist. Suddenly AYF rolled over and ended up rolling on top of the stick! He kept on rolling up the stick, H7G couldn뭪 make up his mind what to do, so he let his stick go. AYF suddenly jumped up and started kicking at H7G while in the air. H7G, in utter shock, quickly backed up.


    By this time HR has already picked up the iron flute and handed it back to her father. HYS now thrusts out his flute at AYF. AYF jumps forward, screams: 밇mperor Duan, I뭢 not scared of you 1 Yang Zhi!?HYS can tell that he is not all sane, but even though his mind is a mess, his moves aren뭪, in fact they are fiercer than before! Even though HYS is a genius, how could he have guessed the reason behind this. Turns out that AYF has already been getting messed up by the fake sutra that he got from GJ, add that to the fact that HR keeps on leading him down the wrong paths with her interpretation and translations. He is a kungfu genius to begin with, not only that he has been pushing himself greatly toward finishing, so even though he has gone on the wrong path, he literally made a path for himself, finally to a point where even H7G and HYS can뭪 see thru.


    After 40 or so exchanges, HYS stepped back in defeat. GJ jumped up to meet AYF. Suddenly AYF started to cry, saying to GJ: 밠y son! You died such a horrible death!?He threw down his staff, opened up his arm, and jumped forth as if he wanted to hug GJ. GJ knows that AYF had mistaken him for AYK, hearing the sadness in his voice, he felt sorry for him as well as feared him. So he tried to push away, but AYF swiped his left wrist and already gotten a hold of GJ. GJ immediately tried to use his inner force to break free, but how could he compete with ATF뭩 inner force? H7G, HYS, and HR all scrambled up to rescue GJ. H7G aimed for AYF뭩 밣heonix뭩 Tail?pressure point on his back, planning on forcing him to release GJ. However, AYF뭩 pressure nerves are reversed throughout his body and the pressure points have all changed. H7G뭩 finger hit its mark, but it had no effect whatsoever on AYF. HR picked a stone up from the ground and tried to smash it on AYF뭩 head. AYF뭩 rite fist came flying in from underneath, forcing HR to let go of the rock as it goes flying over the cliff. GJ seized this opportunity that opened up from AYF뭩 rite hand letting go and with all his might, jumped back. As soon as he recovered, he looked up to see HYS fighting with AYF empty handed, his flute inside of his belt.


    Now AYF뭩 moves now are even stranger! Sometimes his body would be sideways, sometimes he would be standing straight. Several times he even fight in a handstand position, one hand supporting his weight while exchanging moves with the other. HYS is concentrating on fighting his opponent so he really did not notice; H7G, HR, and GJ are all dumbfounded by what they are seeing. HR notices HYS was in danger a couple of times, so she suggests: 밠aster, against this loonie, we don뭪 need to follow the rules of the martial world, let뭩 take him on together!?


    H7G answers: 밡ormally, we could do just that. But this is Hua Shan Luen Jian! Everyone in the world knows that only single combat is allowed! If we all take him on, what would the world think of us??But he notices as well that AYF뭩 moves are ferocious as well as strange. AYF spits out some white saliva, lifted his head up and tried to head butt HYS. HYS can뭪 do anything and has to keep on backing up.


    Suddenly AYF changed his stance, letting all his upper body defense down. HYS뭩 eyes lit up: 밫his loonie has really lost it!?He tries to flick AYF뭩 밎reet Frangrance?pressure point on the side of his nose using his 밫an Zhi Shen Gong.?As soon as his index finger touched AYF뭩 skin however, AYF tilted his head and bit down hard on HYS뭩 finger. HYS in a panic immediately aimed for AYF뭩 temple in an attempt to force him open his mouth. AYF lifts up his rite arm and parried away that move, biting down even harder.


    GJ and HR attacked from both side of AYF, finally letting HYS get away. AYF turned toward HR, jumping forward trying to claw at HR뭩 face. The blood covered face of AYF along with the expression on his face sent fear straight into HR뭩 heart, she jumped back and tried to escape. GJ immediately opened up his palm to attack, forcing AYF to fight back, and thus letting HR escape unharmed.


    Within 10 moves however, GJ뭩 shoulder and leg both got hit. H7G scrambles up empty handed and shouts: 밎ing Er, let me give it a try.?This fight is indeed spectacular. During AYF뭩 fight with HYS and GJ, H7G has observed that while AYF뭩 moves are unorthodox and strange, they are not without reason. It is basically Ha Ma Gong backwards: what뭩 up is now down, what뭩 left is now right; although it is not entirely so, it is at least 80% so. Once H7G has at least figured that out, although he is still losing, at least he can attack once out of every 3 moves.


    HR took out her handkerchief and tended to her father뭩 wound. Since he is a spectator, HYS has figured even more out, and he is advising H7G on the go: 밙ick his leg? 밄ack slap his arm? H7G just followed his advise and gradually has brought the fight to a stand still. Both H7G and HYS are thinking: 밫his is Sinister East and Northern Beggar combining together against a single Poisonous West!?Just as it looks as if H7G is going to win, AYF suddenly spit at H7G.


    H7G immediately jumped out of the way, AYF guessed what H7G was going to go, hitting at where H7G dodged to and spit out again. The saliva came at a blinding speed, if it hit H7G in the face it would have defeated him, so H7G had no choice but to catch it with his rite hand while attacking AYF with his left. After a couple of more exchanges, AYF spit at H7G again. He is using his spits as a weapon, and when he use it in between his moves, it really does a number on the opponent.


    H7G is angered by the clear disrespect shown by AYF, at the same time, the spit in his rite hand is not feeling great either. He didn뭪 want to wipe in on himself, so suddenly opened up his palm, screamed 밎otcha!?This move looks as if he is going to wipe his hand on AYF뭩 face, but in reality there is another move hidden behind it. Even though AYF뭩 mind is not acting normal, his senses are actually better than usual. Seeing H7G뭩 hand coming down on his face, he tilts his head to avoid it. H7G suddenly turns his hand and stabbed forward with his finger. AYF automatically responded by biting down hard.


    This is the exact move that he got HYS with earlier. Even though it looks humorous, but because of the speed with which he bites down, even a master like HYS was not able to avoid it. This time HYS, HR, and GJ all see that H7G뭩 hand is almost in his mouth, and as AYF bites down, all 3 blurted out: 밅areful!?


    The funny thing is, all 3 of them and AYF forgot one thing. H7G뭩 nickname in the world is ? Fingered Divine Beggar.?Long time ago because he was taking his time eating, a hero died. In shame, H7G cut off his own index finger. If it were another person, his index finger would have surely been bit by AYF. However, H7G does not have an index finger. AYF뭩 move failed. In reality AYF knew a long time ago that H7G does not have an index finger; however, in such an intense fight, who has time to think out that detail?


    When 2 masters fight, it could be days before a winner is determined. And usually, the difference is the smallest mistake. AYF bit down hard on nothing, H7G seized this opportunity, following quickly with a 밠uted Laughter,?middle finger hitting the 밄arren Ground?pressure point at the corner of AYF뭩 mouth.


    But before anyone can cheer for H7G뭩 victory, suddenly H7G somersaulted back and AYF backed up several steps, as if he was drunk. After he balanced himself, he started to laugh. Turns out that since all of AYF뭩 pressure points changed places, even though H7G hit this big pressure point, all he felt was a momentary numbness throughout his body, so he immediately replied back with a palm to H7G뭩 shoulder. But because H7G뭩 middle finger is still there, he was not able to use full power in the palm. H7G went along with the force and somersaulted, absorbing most of the power of the palm, all the while managing to return a 밆ragon in the Field?to force AYF to step back several steps. Even though H7G somersaulted to take away most of the force and was not injured, half of his body felt numb, and at the moment he cannot fight back. As a leader of a clan, he always admits defeat when he is defeated, also he really does admire AYF for his kungfu. So he cupped his fist and said: 밄rother AY, this old beggar admits defeat, you really are number one in the world!?


    AYF laughed and waved his arms around like a mad man, turning to HYS: 밇mperor Duan, do you admit defeat??HYS thinks to himself: 밡umber one in the world has fallen to a nut case. What will others think of me and the old beggar??But he knows that even if he goes up again, he뭠l probably lose, so he merely nodded his head.


    AYF turns to GJ: 밪on, your dad뭩 kungfu is supreme, undefeated in the world. Do you like it??AYK is the bastard son of him and his brother뭩 wife {as portrayed in Ashes of Time}, although they call each other uncle and nephew, in reality they are father and son. At this time he is not all there, took GJ as AYK, and actually blurted out this secret that has been hidden in his heart for years. GJ figures that nobody here can beat him, so his title of Number 1 in the World came fair and square, replied: 밡one of us can beat you.?


    AYF laughed a bit, turned to HR and asked: 밆aughter in law, do you like it??HR has been pondering for a long time how to deal with this nut case since seeing that dad, master, and GJ all three came back defeated. So far she cannot come up with anything, but now she sees him dancing madly, under the sun, his shadow is also moving around crazily, suddenly she got an idea. She replied: 밯ho says you are number one? There is one person you can뭪 beat!?


    This set AYF off, beating his chest, he asked: 밯ho? Who? Tell him to come out and fight me!?HR replies: 밐is kungfu is really something, you뭠l lose to him for sure!?AYF screams: 밯ho? Who? Tell him to come out!?HR answers: 밐is name is AYF!?AYF scratches his head: 밃YF??HR replies: 밫hat뭩 right, AYF, your kungfu is good, but you can뭪 beat AYF.?


    AYF is confused out of his mind, for some reason the name 밃YF?seems very familiar, as if he is the closest person in the world to himself. But who is himself? So he blurted out: 밯ho am I??HR answered with a bit of a laugh: 밢f course you are just you. If you don뭪 know that, how would I know??AYF뭩 heart turned cold, tilting his head trying his best to figure it out. But his mind is a mess, the more he searches for himself, the more confused he got. A lot of intelligent people has stopped and asked themselves: 밯ho am I??밯hat was I before I was born??밯hat will I be when I die??and many questions like it. AYF is above all, a genius, and these questions have at least at one time or another came up in his mind. But now he has defeated 3 top kungfu practioners, all of the pressure nerves in his body switching back and forth, his heart going through mood swings of happiness and rage, added on top of the comments from HR, just pushed him over. He mutters to himself continuously: 밠e. Who am I? Where am I? What happened to me??HR interrupted: 밃YF wants to fight with you, he wants to steal your ? Yin Zhen Jin??AYF ask: 밯here is he??HR points to the shadow behind him: 밪ee, right behind you.?AYF turns around to see his own shadow, stood there dumbfounded, muttering: 밫his?this?he?he??HR adds: 밐e is attacking you!?


    AYF ducks down and attacked the shadow. The shadow attacked back at the same time. AYF goes into a panic, immediately sent many strikes toward the shadow, but the shadow also sent many strikes back. AYF turns his body to dodge the blows, turning to face the sun, the shadow of course is behind him. AYF notices that his opponent suddenly disappears, shouts: 밯here do you think you are escaping to??Scrambling a couple of steps to the left.


    To the left is a bare piece of rock, the he casts his shadow onto the rock, making it seem like a real person. AYF strikes with his right palm, hitting the rock, he feels as if his hand was going to break. He lifts up his left leg and kicked at the shadow, the shadow does the same thing. The 2 feet meet, an enormous amount of pain shots up AYF뭩 leg. AYF does not dare to fight any longer, turns and runs off.


    He is running with the sun in his face, so he could not see the enemy. But after several yards, he turns around and sees the shadow following very close behind. Scared out of his wits (what뭩 left of it), he screams: 밳ou can be number one in the world! I admit defeat!?The shadow still follows him, AYF gets more and more scared, and keeps on running away faster and faster going down the mountain. After a while, his voice can still vaguely be heard coming all the way from the foothills: 밪top chasing me! Stop chasing me!?


    HYS and H7G sees such a martial genius and leader of a sect has fallen to such a state, could not help but sigh. By now AYF뭩 screams can still be heard at times coming from a couple of miles away, but the echoes in the mountains are still in full effect, sounding like wolf howling and ghosts crying. Although the hot sun is shining down onto the 4 people present, their heart is cold. H7G sighs: 밐e probably won뭪 live much longer.?


    Suddenly, GJ asked himself: 밠e? Who am I??HR knows with his personality, if he thought about this too hard, he probably would go down the wrong path, immediately answers: 밳ou are GJ, Jing-Ge-Ge, don뭪 think so much about yourself, think about others.?GJ snapped out of it, replied: 밳es, that뭩 right! Master, Master Huang, we probably should be going.?


    H7G scolds: 밪tupid kid, still calling him Master Huang? I ought to slap you a couple of times!?GJ was taken aback for a moment, looking at HR he sees that she뭩 turned a crimson color with a smile on her face that뭩 not really a smile either. Suddenly he understood, awkwardly and bashfully said: 밆ad!?


    HYS laughed whole heartedly, taking HR in one hand, GJ in the other, he turned to H7G: 밄rother Qi, there really is never an end to learning kungfu is there? Seeing Old Poison뭩 kungfu, I cannot help but be impressed and shamed. Ever since Wong ChongYang뭩 death, there probably will never be a number one in the world!?


    H7G replies: 밨ong-Er뭩 cooking skills are number one in the world, that is for sure.?HR coyly answered back: 밃lright, you can stop kissing up. Let뭩 get out of here quick, then I뭠l make you some good stuff.?


    I뭠l end it here, soon after this H7G leaves, GJ gets a note from Hua Zeng apologizing for his mother as well as informing the Mongol뭩 plan to attack Xiang Yang. He goes off with HR, meets up with MNC, names YG, and ends up meeting TuoLei and Genghis Khan just before his death.


    Also, since this translation is around 35 paragraphs, I뭢 sure you can forgive me for not doing another 10 for DGSD, I did not think it would take me this long. Sorry, I뭠l go back to DGSD tomorrow. But 10 paragraphs of DGSD for one of the most exciting parts in LoCH is worth it, IMHO.

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    Sorry, but I probably should've posted portions of this under several posts so it's more viewable to the eye. My bad. <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0">
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    Cool

    May I use the translated names of those dog beating stick for my fanfic? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/bow.gif" border="0">
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    Good translation :P

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    Thanks, it means alot, especially coming from a rather demanding critique like you. (Not to say that other people's words don't mean much, just that it's rare to get praise from someone as demanding as Wang Chong Yang) <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
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    Originally posted by Goofy:
    <STRONG>May I use the translated names of those dog beating stick for my fanfic? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/bow.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

    Hey Jo. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

    I can't say if you can or can't because I'm not the one who came up with those translated names. Kwok is. However, he's been missing in action in the JY forum for some time now and I don't know how to contact him. But knowing him, I don't think he'll mind if you use his translated names for the beat dog sticks.

    WCY, since Moin already thank you... I'll just thank you on behalf of Kwok. Great to hear your praises. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
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    bump up.

    SPCNet should put this up.
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    If Hua Shan is hosting the 1st and 2nd tournaments, shouldn't the members be there to regulate the rules or to speculate it? And shouldn't there be more competitors? When my dad was watching LOCH 03 with me, he said that 'everyone' was going to be at the 2nd tournament. As it turned out, only Guo Jing, Huang Rong, the 4 Greats, Zhou Ba Tong, Kau Cheen Ren, and Ying Gu were the only people to come. I had high hopes for tons of people to go and fight at the end. But at least it was known that Guo Jing's a pretty good fighter when it is seen that he could hold off HuangYaoShi's attacks for a while.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="80%" bgcolor="#dcdcdc" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#DCDCDC"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><font size="1">Originally posted by Han Solo:
    <STRONG>bump up.

    SPCNet should put this up.</STRONG></font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Is this for my attention to archive?


    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="80%" bgcolor="#dcdcdc" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#DCDCDC"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#eeeeee"><font size="1">Originally posted by 5haDow NemisiS:
    <STRONG>If Hua Shan is hosting the 1st and 2nd tournaments, shouldn't the members be there to regulate the rules or to speculate it? And shouldn't there be more competitors? When my dad was watching LOCH 03 with me, he said that 'everyone' was going to be at the 2nd tournament. As it turned out, only Guo Jing, Huang Rong, the 4 Greats, Zhou Ba Tong, Kau Cheen Ren, and Ying Gu were the only people to come. I had high hopes for tons of people to go and fight at the end. But at least it was known that Guo Jing's a pretty good fighter when it is seen that he could hold off HuangYaoShi's attacks for a while.</STRONG></font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I think it was just tradition to battle at Hua Shan, but it was not hosted by Hua Shan Sect specifically.
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    Yes, if Moin or Kwok agrees.
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    how old was GJ during this battle?

    an estimate would also do

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    I think no older than 20.
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    depends on how long LoCH took
    he was 18 when he left Mongolia

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    Main chracters n JY's novel usually starts of very young. I think GJ and HY met when they were 18 and 15 right? If you don't use the Chinese counting style where they are 1 year old at birth, they should be 17 and 14.
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    wow they are really young

    how old are the greats in the tournament

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    Not sure about the Greats, maybe at thier 30s. But WCY was enough to be their dad that time.
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    Do you mean in the 1st Tournament?

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    Quote Originally Posted by superboy
    Main chracters n JY's novel usually starts of very young. I think GJ and HY met when they were 18 and 15 right? If you don't use the Chinese counting style where they are 1 year old at birth, they should be 17 and 14.
    when GJ met HR he was 18 and she was 16 they were in there 20's when the 2nd hua san tournament happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by superboy
    Not sure about the Greats, maybe at thier 30s. But WCY was enough to be their dad that time.
    three of the four greats were in there 40's when the 2nd hua san tournament happened. the monk was between 50 and 60. and this was during the 2nd hua san tournament. the last one mentioned in LOCH.

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    H7G answers: 밡ormally, we could do just that. But this is Hua Shan Luen Jian! Everyone in the world knows that only single combat is allowed! If we all take him on, what would the world think of us??But he notices as well that AYF뭩 moves are ferocious as well as strange. AYF spits out some white saliva, lifted his head up and tried to head butt HYS. HYS can뭪 do anything and has to keep on backing up.
    And thus we know that in the first Hua San tournament, WCY defeated each of the Greats in single combat. He also did so decisely and in less than 2 days each (JY states that fights between two masters could take two days for the decision).

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