Gosh, this debate is intensifying and I think no matter how far you go or whatever new grounds we throw into the equation, we will never reach an agreeable conclusion because GJ and YG never fought against each other.
But I just want to get some points across here.
1. Stronger does not equal better.
I have to throw in Xiao Feng into the equation. He's NOT stronger than Xu Zhu and Duan Yu (at the end of DGSD). Xu Zhu has the combined inner power of three most formidable XiaoYao Pai elders, while Duan Yu has all JMZ's inner power plus what he had before that. (Remember JMZ is about equal to XF). But at the end of DGSD, if they ever fight, I doubt either DY or XZ can defeat XF.
Thus I cannot assume (after reading YG vs. ZBT, YG vs. JLGS, and YG vs. HYS fights) that YG is better than GJ just because we feel he has more raw power than these fighters.
At the end of ROCH, GJ has more experience and as equally talented than YG
2. GJ has the ever-growing power of 9-Yin and QZ internal power cultivation. While YG, although the 16 years and the practice with waves give him amazingly powerful raw inner energy, his ultimate technique is still dependent with his emotional state (He needs to be sad or melancholic) and it has never stated anywhere in the novel that YG's inner power will continue to grow, while we know for sure GJ's will.
3. Although ZBT's offensive attacks against YG was in vain for an hour and left him frustrated at the end. The novel never clearly stated that YG could easily defeat him.
If Yang Guo wanted to defeat Zhou Bo Tong, it would be no easy task but now that he’s just concentrating on defending, Zhou was not able to do anything to him. No matter what kind of dummies or tricks that Zhou tried, Yang Guo did not fall for any of them. He did not use any new stances of his Sad palms but he repeated the four stances of his Sad palms that he had previously used with different variations to agitate Zhou Bo Tong even more.
The two fought for almost an hour. Zhou Bo Tong was an old man, his vigour has been depleted and his internal energy was no longer the same as it was at the start of the fight. He knew now it would be difficult to get Yang Guo to use a new palm from his ‘An Ren Xiao Hun Zhang’ so he leapt back and begged Yang Guo to take him as his disciple so he can teach him this palm skill. (Zhou is one funny guy).
Just because YG keeps on repeating four stances with different variations doesn't mean his other stances are better than ZBT's. ZBT lacks of vigority due his old age (which I think contradicts the QZ inner power cultivation principals, but I can't argue with JY).
One thing is for sure ZBT's inner power is not as long-lasting as YG, however, even if YG uses all of his sad palm techniques (other than the four stances he kept on using) there's no guarantees that it will be able to overcome ZBT.
Sometimes defending is a lot easier to do than being on a offensive. For one thing, YG have seen Vacant Fists before and elements of 9-Yin. So he must have some knowledge of ZBT's techniques, while YG's martial arts are something totally unorthodox and new to the Wulin world. Remember how OYF surprised HYS and H7Q with his reversed 9-Yin ?
4. HYS admitted that ...
He's only comparing it to his palms techniques and not his ultimate technique ... which is the Divine finger flicking technique, which was able to tie YG during their brief sparring.Huang Yaoshi said:"Young brother Yang, the power of your new created palm stances are very forceful. In the entire realm only the 18 Dragon Subdueing Palms of my son-in-law, Guo Jing can be compared to it. My Changing Peach and Descending Flower Palms is one level inferior."
5. 2 Arms vs. 1 arm argument
I think we can dismiss the constant argument about GJ having the advantage of 1 arm arguments now because I deducted the following :
- Sad Palms also consists the ability to use sleeve as another arm
- Sad Palm is a specialized technique for YG that maximized his potential as a disabled person, hence it's equally as dangerious and as explosive as other great techniques that requires 2 arms
So on this ground, we have to assume that they are both equally matched even with YG's disability (which was compensated by his newly invented technique).
6. At the end of ROCH, when YG fought with JGLS, he mentioned that ..
Yet YG mentioned almost the same thing when he matched his palms against ZBT (but this was before he met JGLS at the end of ROCH)Just a moment ago the two of them exchanged one stance, Yang Guo felt that the palm energy of the Imperial Priest was solid, robust and strong, he had never encountered such power amongst his former adversaries.
So what does it mean ?After those four stances, they both had great respect for each other. Yang Guo said something (this is too himself) about how Zhou was the strongest opponent his palms has ever met and if there was going to be a victor, an internal energy competition would be needed
Does it mean that ZBT is weaker than JGLS, because YG fought ZBT before he fought JGLS. Yet after 200 strokes later JGLS was afraid he would lose to YG. Many mentioned that this is due to his mentality (He is always afraid of losing his face and getting beaten by younger generation).
I found that there are many inconsistancies in this novel. But at end of the day, GJ and YG never did exchange blows even friendly ones, but even after 16 years passed, JGLS is still fearful of GJ. Obviously he senses how GJ martial arts skills (and internal power) progressed in 16 years. Yet, he was able to equal the Greats during their brief encounters with many disadvantages and unfair tactics (including the condors)...
And YG was also able to more or less equal the Greats, I have a feeling that YG can only beat any Greats with his enormous inner power but not techniques due to his younger age.
If any of the Greats is only equal to JGLS (arguable still because the fight was unfair) and JGLS' power is the strongest YG has ever met (at the end of ROCH after he fought ZBT) and YG was only able to defeat JGLS because of his shocking move which took JGLS by surprised and further discouraged his mental state (which was already doubtful due to his constant defeats by YG in the past with or without his tricks). YG was able to go all out with 3 unforeseen moves in a row, and a kick.
I really think the fight could take longer and the outcome could go either way if they were to fight fair and square without any distraction (Guo Xiang) with YG having the slight advantage of Sad Palms which would be activated if he's losing.
GJ is definitely younger than the remaining Greats and ZBT, hence his inner power will last longer and will only increased with age. However, if YG and GJ were to fight all out and go at it , I still think the outcome is determined heavily by the unstable nature of Sad Palms, YG's mental state and experience, which GJ seems to be more consistant and better than YG.
It could go either way really. But I would still put my money on GJ.