HUANG RONG vs. XIAO LONG NU DEBATE

[Loke-Gao-Zhu]

huang rong, 9 yin can demolish xxl

[bloodstar]

another thing, after HR gave birth to GX, she met up with LMC again and the two dueled, HR was one par with LMC but XLN could beat LMC. if HR was in her weaken state at the time of the duel, then how long does it take to recover from a birth? i thought GX was taken for at least a month until the duel.

another thing, XLN has a very strong will...aka learning the LR technique, would she really be tricked by HR? HR tends to use reason to deal with XLN in their interactions more then trickery.

In the novel HR beat LMC and it was clearly stated that HR's skills are superior to LMC. She wasn't just "on par" with LMC but better.

And having a strong will is not related to intellect. You can have a strong will and still be tricked. If you equate being able to learn LR technique with having a strong will then Zhou Botong must have one of the strongest will around since he created that technique. But looked at how many times he was tricked by HR.

[patricia n]

In the novel HR beat LMC and it was clearly stated that HR's skills are superior to LMC. She wasn't just "on par" with LMC but better.

And having a strong will is not related to intellect. You can have a strong will and still be tricked. If you equate being able to learn LR technique with having a strong will then Zhou Botong must have one of the strongest will around since he created that technique. But looked at how many times he was tricked by HR.

not to mention, zhou botong was very afraid of hr. just goes to show you how powerful this chick is.

[Ken Cheng]

not to mention, zhou botong was very afraid of hr. just goes to show you how powerful this chick is.

Maybe that fear came out of blackmail. Wong Yung knew Chow Bak Tung's most embarrassing secret (the Ying Goo affair) and unlike the other people who knew about it, she was known to be a big mouth when she wanted to be.

[strife_au]

HR would probably win 1v1 but if she was facing the mongolians would she have done better than xiao long nu? I think her speed is what made her match against the mongols

[kyss of the sword]

huang rong was only confident f beating li mochuo with her stick. she wasn't as confident using her family jade flute swordplay. even through huang yaoshi taught yang guo how to beat li mochuo with the skill. XLN's martial arts were considered one level below LMC, after learning mind dividing skill, she was better. huang rong would have the same problem. huang rong did not achive as much as guo jing in 9yin because she was to busy raising her child and running begger's clan.

guo jing, zhuo butong: level eight.
JLFW, greats: level seven.
huang rong, li mochuo: level six.
yang guo, xln: level five. (before finding dugu tomb incident)

after learning L/R technique and snake ballders;
yang guo: level seven.
XLN: level eight.
(level means overrall fighting ability)

[Whsie]

huang rong was only confident f beating li mochuo with her stick. she wasn't as confident using her family jade flute swordplay. even through huang yaoshi taught yang guo how to beat li mochuo with the skill. XLN's martial arts were considered one level below LMC, after learning mind dividing skill, she was better. huang rong would have the same problem. huang rong did not achive as much as guo jing in 9yin because she was to busy raising her child and running begger's clan.

guo jing, zhuo butong: level eight.
JLFW, greats: level seven.
huang rong, li mochuo: level six.
yang guo, xln: level five. (before finding dugu tomb incident)

after learning L/R technique and snake ballders;
yang guo: level seven.
XLN: level eight.
(level means overrall fighting ability)

No....., XLN would't be at level 8. Her internal is isn't good enough. IF you use brute force (YG's Melancholic or GJ's XL18Z), then you can break through her. Now...., if her internal was at LCY's level (which she isn't), THEN she would own GJ and YG. I agree with just about everything else.

[Ken Cheng]

No....., XLN would't be at level 8. Her internal is isn't good enough. IF you use brute force (YG's Melancholic or GJ's XL18Z), then you can break through her. Now...., if her internal was at LCY's level (which she isn't), THEN she would own GJ and YG. I agree with just about everything else.

The Golden Wheel Monk had brute force a plenty, but Little Dragon Girl arguably gave him more trouble than any other fighter he ever encountered (other than Yeung Gor, of course). He could have squashed her like a bug...if he could hit her. The problem was, he couldn't.

Gwok Jing and Yeung Gor, of course, were much more refined in the skills department than the Golden Wheel Monk was.

If Little Dragon Girl wants to defeat Wong Yung in straight combat, one thing she needs to bear in mind is to eschew the sharp weapons. Swords and Honeybee Needles aren't going to go through Wong Yung's armored vest, and aiming for the exposed head/face is difficult. Little Dragon Girl's best bet is to use her ribbons.

Then again, Wong Yung probably has a plan for that too...

[Thai guy]

XLN's martial arts were considered one level below LMC, after learning mind dividing skill, she was better. (level means overrall fighting ability)

Not sure though. Based on TVB 1983, at the very beginning in the Ancient Tomb, Xiao Long Nu displayed a part of her sect's kongfu, Jade Maiden Sword, and she could temporary stop Li Mo Chou. Yang Guo asked whether this skill can beat Li Mo Chou and Xiao Long Nu answered "yes" but then she said because she was injured so she could not display the skill much. Thus, after she recovered, I guess she should be considered "on par" with Li Mo Chou or even better.

[dragongirl]

Xiao Long Nu might be able to beat Huang Rong kung fu wise but Huang Rong would probably use her wits and win in the end.

[TommyH]

Xiao Long Nu might be able to beat Huang Rong kung fu wise but Huang Rong would probably use her wits and win in the end.

Agreed. I doubt HR wouldn't use her brain when she fights.

[Bai Qi44]

When ranking martial arts, XNL wins over HR. When ranking wits, HR kicks the crap out of West Poison. A fight should be rank on martial arts, not on who can trick who.

[jin_yong_fan]

huang rong, 9 yin can demolish xxl

but when WCY (grand master of all truth) used 9 yin to demolish the jade maiden sword he was only thinking that it was 9 yin against the jade maiden sword but actually wat LCY (grand ancester of ancient tomb) was thinking was combining all truth's swordmanship together w/ jade maiden swordmanship. so yes 9 yin could probably demolish jade maiden swordsmanship. but if jade maiden sword is combined w/ all truth's swordmanship 9 yin wont b able 2 demolish that. WCY was only able 2 demolish half of this set of martial art. cuz the entire thing requires all truth and jade maiden swordmanship.

[jin_yong_fan]

guo jing, zhuo butong: level eight.
JLFW, greats: level seven.
huang rong, li mochuo: level six.
yang guo, xln: level five. (before finding dugu tomb incident)

after learning L/R technique and snake ballders;
yang guo: level seven.
XLN: level eight.
(level means overrall fighting ability)

but remember by the end of ROCH JLFW learned that 1 elephant/dragon martial art the greats and zhuo butong had a lil bit of difficulty fighting him. and i think HR, LMC, YG, and XLN should b on the same level or m/b even a lil bit better than them in the beginning. cuz u say HR and LMC r on the same level but YG beat LMC several times so wouldnt he b better? and at the martial art meeting XLN fought JLFW 1 v 1. tho u cant say she won but she survived. i dont think HR would of been able 2 do that.

and after learning L/R technique and learning Dugu's martial arts i think XLN's martial arts r better than HR and LMC but she would lose 2 the greats. and i think YG would b on the same level as GJ and ZBT cuz at that 1 flower valley (where GX and YG had 2 convince ZBT 2 go c Ying Gu) ZBT couldnt do much 2 YG. i thknk they were probably even.

[kyss of the sword]

it was stated in the novel when XLN was fighting JLFW at the cave where ZBT was bitten by the poisoness spider, that she was a level below LMC. after she learnt L/R technique, she was way better. huang rong beat LMC by wits because LMC tried to use a underhanded trick. XLN would use real martial arts and huang rong has trouble understanding XLN's way of thinking, even through she knows she intelligent. so it would be hard for huang rong to trick XLN in the midst of battle.

JLFW mastered up to level 7th of his elephant dragon wisdom skill.
HUANG RONG and LMC were a level below, so 6th level.
XLN was a level below them, so 5th level. her skills increased to 8th level, not higher because her inner power wasn't up to par. if she had yang guo's level of inner power at the battle at MT chongyang, she would be level 10th. double her pervious level.

[patricia n]

oh dear...it's not hard to understand xln's thinking...isn't that what she's suppose to represent? simplicity? she's so yeung gor this yueng gor that...

anyhow, i don't know why the person who started this thread can't swallow the fact that there are fans who feel that hr will beat xln in a battle. i respect that you feel otherwise, but no need to get so worked up when the majority of us disagrees.

[yittz]

Majority agrees that if HR use cheats she will win or if HR fights fairly she will win?

[Ken Cheng]

Majority agrees that if HR use cheats she will win or if HR fights fairly she will win?

Hard to say. In all of ROCH, we never saw a fully healthy, completely uninhibited Wong Yung fighting all out. Not even once.

[SolidSnake]

What is this 'cheat' thing supposed to mean?
Is it like, Huang Rong suddenly pull out a machine gun or something? Or is it using 'wit'?
If it is wit, IMHO, it is part of someone skill. If Yang Guo can win by using wits when fighting someone then he wins. That's it. The same goes for Huang Rong.
Beggar clan's Dog Beating stances carried a lot of trickery, was that cheating? Considering it's nature, Left and Right technique is also tricking enemy into thinking of fighting two people instead of one. Also going by this, Melancholy Palms were kind of tricking people into thinking: "why is he so sad...?" then suddenly BAM!
Li Xunhuan's appearance was also kind of deceiving people into thinking 'what a useless drunkard bum...' and next thing you know, a knife was already planted on the neck. (okay, for the latter two, I kind of exagerated, hopefully you get the idea)

Come to think of it, some if not most martial arts were using deceiving moves, you know, like this left punch was only a camouflage for the real attack which is from the right punch, or etc. The same thing happened in sports too, like in football/soccer when the defense line suddenly move forward to trick their opponent into offside position.
Anyway, it's not easy to fully resort to trickery when facing an experienced high level martial artists here. Try to imagine Wei Xiao Bao subduing Ding Chunqiu using tricks.

[sarakoth]

at the height of their skill, I'd have to say XLN because she reached Greats or very near Greats level

Huang Rong has always been subGreats because she was only a little better than LMC who was easy picking for Huang Yaoshi