Which is easiest and is hardest to learn: 9 Yin, 9 Yang, BMSG, or YJJ?

[- L1n -]

Originally posted by SolidSnake
All a teacher have to do is pick one of his/her novice student, teach him that and tell him to go suck other people energy. What could be easier?

see this iks the problem a teacher normally pass on his most lethal skills to his higest potential students and 80 percent of the time they r top of all his other students so how can the top student lern it without giving away his chi. Also even if he does give it to a novice student could he/she understand it, i no it's all pictures and stuff but u still have to make the right movement.

[rabadi]

Han Solo, very good explanation indeed

[SolidSnake]

Originally posted by - L1n -
Also even if he does give it to a novice student could he/she understand it, i no it's all pictures and stuff but u still have to make the right movement.

That's true. That's why it is easy. Not much requirement there, is it? You don't have to be a genius, you don't have to have basic qi or anything, almost nothing is needed.

[SolidSnake]

Originally posted by Han Solo
Imho, the reverse would be true.

Let us examine the circumstances behind the prominent persons who learnt it and then try to arrive at an empirical conclusion.

1) YZZ
In DGSD, the text was in Sanskrit. Throughout the generations, it was known to be written by Damo. However, very very few persons have learnt of it before. We do not know if anyone prior to DGSD has learnt it before. This assumption that it was too hard to learn was postulated to be the reason why it was so lightly guarded, enabling Ah Zhu to be able to steal it.

Of the two persons to semi-learnt it, YTZ and JMZ, both of did not completely mastered the skill. Further, it was said that the you require an enlightened state and learning works in a perserve way. The more you want to learn, the less able are you to learn it.
In addition, JMZ, a veritable genius in martial arts, suffered significant fire-deviation when learning this martial arts.

The SOD version of YJJ was significantly different. I will decline to comment.

Summary: YJJ was very very hard to learn or master.

2) BMSG.
Only Three persons were known to master this. The Two Xiao Yao elders and DY. It requires the users to lose all internal energies.

Summary: May be easy to learn, but even DY didn't master it and there's always a risk of fire deviation.


3) 9 Yin
ZBT and GJ pretty much learnt it in a single attempt. Other Greats such as H7G and YD also absorbed the essence easily.
THis might meant a few things either that the text/manual are easily learnt or they are very talented practitioner. Probably both are true.

MCF and husband couldn't learn it properly due to lack of Vol. 1. But even then what little that they learnt was adequate to rise to sub-Great level. Same with ZZR except that her version was HR's abbreviated version.

Summary: Relatively easy to learn.

4) 9 Yang.
ZWJ, Z3F, JY etc are bassically without any martial arts training and yet they learnt it easily.

Summary: Relatively easy to learn.

Thus,
1) Either 9 Yang or 9 Yin

3) BMSG
4) YJJ

Yours,
Han SOlo

Not to underestimate your opinion, but all the masters of 9Yin and 9Yang you mentioned are genius martial artists.
The ones that are not talented 'enough' such as MCF, can not gain a lot. She can not even subdue the youngster GJ who only have incomplete XL18Z at the time of their fight.

Give 9Yin or 9Yang to YTZ, I believe you will see him trying all his life with little achievement. Please don't ever imagine he can fight XF with such talent if he is to learn 9Yin or 9Yang instead of YJJ.

Proven point: 9Yin and 9Yang are harder to learn than YJJ.
As for BMSG... see my post above.

[Han Solo]

I grant you that YTZ learning YJJ has a lot to do with luck and not a lot to do with talent.

But what about JMZ? The only guy able to exibit all 72 Shaolin supreme arts so well that everyone at Shaolin (except for XZ) was conviced, a guy single-handedly nearly beating all 6 monks of the Heavenly Dragon Temple. This guy is a veritable martial arts genius and he can not master it. Does that not show how hard it is to master it?

Not to underestimate your opinion, but all the masters of 9Yin and 9Yang you mentioned are genius martial artists.

The ones that are not talented 'enough' such as MCF, can not gain a lot. She can not even subdue the youngster GJ who only have incomplete XL18Z at the time of their fight.

I have addressed this point in the previous post.

[SolidSnake]

Originally posted by Han Solo

But what about JMZ? The only guy able to exibit all 72 Shaolin supreme arts so well that everyone at Shaolin (except for XZ) was conviced, a guy single-handedly nearly beating all 6 monks of the Heavenly Dragon Temple. This guy is a veritable martial arts genius and he can not master it. Does that not show how hard it is to master it?

Sorry if I missed anything from your previous post.

Anyway, about JMZ, I thought it is mention in the book that he tried to learn too much arts, which in the end lead him to the deviation? Imagine, 72 arts plus all his previous Tibetan arts before. It is not due to his intelligence and talent, but greed instead.

[kdonggyu94]

depends on what you mean by "hard." YJJ for the innocent and simple-minded people is probably the easiest thing to learn in the world. However, you may be a genius, but if you don't have a pure and innocnet mind, you can never practice YJJ.

Personally i think YJJ is the most powerful manual if mastered.

[Xi Men Chui Xue]

Sorry if I missed anything from your previous post.

Anyway, about JMZ, I thought it is mention in the book that he tried to learn too much arts, which in the end lead him to the deviation? Imagine, 72 arts plus all his previous Tibetan arts before. It is not due to his intelligence and talent, but greed instead.

Pardon me but I think what JMZ exhibit is XWXG which can mimick any skills but not exactly Shaolin 72 skills...