Wuxia vs Jedi

[YingXiong]

Jedis will beat Wuxia heroes.

[K2Grey]

Yang Guo hits much harder than a Jedi, if the XTJ could resist lightsaber blows then one clash and the lightsaber would probably be sent flying out of the Jedi's hand and his hand broken and suffer internal injuries etc.

[Ken Cheng]

Yang Guo hits much harder than a Jedi, if the XTJ could resist lightsaber blows

Forget it. A lightsaber can cut through any substance in the universe except two special alloys that were found in the STAR WARS galaxy *only* (and neither was any kind of iron found on Earth). The Heavy Iron Sword might be the most indestructible weapon in Earthly wuxia circles, but it'll melt like butter when it comes into contact with a lightsaber.

[CC]

WUXIA BEAT JEDI'S BIIGGGGG SSIIIIIFFFFFF!!!!

Just one arguement i want to post is that, previously there was a forum in regards to wuxia characters ability to dodge bullets. The end results; THEY CAN'T! (opinions by many wuxia experts). On the other hand, Jedi's deflects laser guns at ease...no comment!

Jedi in wuxia world = Neo in the Matrix. JUST GODLIKE!!

The problem with SW movie depictions of blaster bolts is that they travel real slow when seen on screen. Not any faster then an arrow and much slower then a real bullet.

If lasers were used on a Jedi, realistically, even with _perfect_ prediction you can't block 3 simultaneous laser beams unless you move faster then light! You can block up to 2 with perfect prediction by aligning the lightsabre lengthwise along the 2 points. But with 3 beams the Jedi is screwed unless he has more then 1 lightsabre.

[Faustus1982]

Well, this is what comes of trying to apply logic to fantasy.

[CC]

Actually;

Novel Jedis beat Novel Wuxia Fighters

On screen Wuxia Fighters beat on-screen Jedis.

That about sums it up.

[Faustus1982]

Forget it. A lightsaber can cut through any substance in the universe except two special alloys that were found in the STAR WARS galaxy *only* (and neither was any kind of iron found on Earth). The Heavy Iron Sword might be the most indestructible weapon in Earthly wuxia circles, but it'll melt like butter when it comes into contact with a lightsaber.

was earth included in the star wars universe?

[Ken Cheng]

was earth included in the star wars universe?

It's not in the STAR WARS Galaxy, but I would say it's in the same universe. After all, every STAR WARS movie begins with the legend, "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away..."

"Far, far away" from Earth, that is.

[Panadol]

No contest, Jedi would own the Wuxia Fighters.

[Ken Cheng]

Have you guys seen the CLONE WARS cartoons? What the Jedi are capable of in that series (which George Lucas considers canon, as the cartoons bridge ATTACK OF THE CLONES and REVENGE OF THE SITH) is downright scary...especially Mace Windu.

[ChronoReverse]

Yang Guo hits much harder than a Jedi, if the XTJ could resist lightsaber blows then one clash and the lightsaber would probably be sent flying out of the Jedi's hand and his hand broken and suffer internal injuries etc.

Perhaps if you take the wimpy movie versions.

In the Revenge of the Sith novel, during the battle between Obi-wan and General Grievous, at one point, the general tried to slam one of his arms at Obi-wan. Obi-wan blocked it with his forearm... and Grievous' arm, made out of durasteel, crumpled like a tin fork.

In the Clone Wars cartoon, at one point, Shaak Ti (although she lost badly to Grievous) was able to deflect a single blow of a lightsaber using her bare hands and the Force.

Yoda in Clone Wars cartoon literally does what we always ask why they didn't in the movies: using the Force to slam and destroy large armoured ships.



The elite Jedi are quite inhumanly powerful.





Also note that the Jedi who died at Geonosis are basically the weakest ones in terms of fighting ability. Most of them used a weak form of lightsaber combat and were trained and used to diplomatic exchanges... not a war with battle droids.

[K2Grey]

On the other hand, whether or not these adaptions are canon is another matter.

I mean, in the Dark Empire series Palpatine blew up an entire fleet from thousands of lightyears away with a storm, but I have a really hard time accepting that as canon. Similarly if Yoda could move a humongous ship with the Force, then its questionable why it took him much effort to stop that metal pillar which Dooku was going to drop on Obi-Wan/Anaki in Ep2 (or why it took him a lengthly amount of time to raise that X-Wing).

If Anakin could take on a huge mass of fighters on his own as per the cartoon then Obi-Wan wouldn't have had such problems with small droids getting on his ship in Ep3.

These things may all be technically canon but I don't really consider them 'real' Star Wars.

[ChronoReverse]

That's the thing. The Clone Wars cartoon and the Prequel trilogy novels ARE canon (according to Lucas).

Now the Extended Universe aren't canon, but the direct novels and the Clone Wars cartoon are supposed to be.



Yoda vs the giant pillar had the pillar falling. Momentum apparently does matter as well as the Force nudge Dooku gave it. Plus arguably he may not have been working as hard as it seemed (again in the movie) because Dooku still didn't even think about trying an attack while Yoda was occupied. Against the armour carriers, Yoda basically moved them into each other and let them crash into each other.



As for the Obi-wan scene, the movie made it out to be weak. In the novel the very same fight scene had them doing much better until two missiles chasing Obi-wan detonated (at a safe distance) but then the shrapnel cloud turned out to be those little bots. They pretty much disabled Obi-wan's ship controls immediately before they were cleared out (which also turned out to be tricky) although Obi-wan was able to use the Force to exert enough control to keep his fighter from going splat against Grievious' flagship's hanger door forcefield (which was dead ahead).

In any case, they were charging straight towards Grievious' ship through hundreds of droid fighters, getting to the flagship, landing in its hangar bay even and getting out all under time pressure. It's not something any normal pilot (or even exceptional) should've survived in the first place, much less merely have trouble with.

[CC]

Thats the problem I guess. The movie Jedi aren't anything close to the Jedi in the books and cartoons. The same way the novel JY fighters aren't anything close to the TVB wuxia heroes.

So, if Anakin attacks Ling Hu Chong with a lightsabre, can Ling Hu Chong do his usual 'position sword with tip facing opponent at an upward angle' so that Anakin can't slice LHC without getting skewered?

Anyway, overall, except for the fact that the movie Jedis move too slow, I would think the Jedi abilities are better. Their telekinesis is much more powerful then any Qin Long Gong.

[Panadol]

Anakin/Darth vader would kick the crap out of LHC and the sweeper.

Shi Po Tian mgiht be fast but he is no match for a light saber. Jedis can predict reflex moves....

[Faustus1982]

So how would Jedi fare vs 6 Mai Shen Jian?

[Ken Cheng]

So how would Jedi fare vs 6 Mai Shen Jian?

Pretty well, probably. Force precog will tell them it's coming before it's released. Then, they have a variety of counters to choose from (Force choke or push the opponent, Force block the incoming sword chi, use Force to manipulate object into path of opponent, etc.)

[Faustus1982]

Could you force choke someone with lots of internal energy?

On another note, I could just imagine anakin whining "nobody likes me..." right before getting his legs hacked off by 6MSJ.

[Ken Cheng]

Could you force choke someone with lots of internal energy?

Maybe. Can internal energy overcome the Force?

On another note, I could just imagine anakin whining "nobody likes me..." right before getting his legs hacked off by 6MSJ.

Anakin vs. Yeung Gor in a whinefest. That could be a stalemate.

[ChronoReverse]

Even if you can't Force Choke the person (possible if the person had enough internal energy to keep the throat open), there's still nothing preventing you from just lifting the person and holding him 6 inches off the ground. Force Pushes easily work at range as well.


Finally, A Jedi would be able to parry with their lightsabers. 6MSJ is "unblockable" because any weapon coming into contact would immediately break the weapon. Nonetheless, it'll still block that one strike.

A lightsaber blade can't be broken in that way. Plus Obi-wan was able to deal with a constant 16 total lightsaber strikes per second (and up to 20 before he could just defend and decided to counter) from 4 lightsaber blades. These strikes were not merely hacks, but trained strikes powered by advanced droid servomotors that far surpassed human ability. 6 blades at anything less than 20 total strikes per second wouldn't be too much trouble for Obi-wan.