NBA Discussion

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A primary school team is the NBA Champ. Doesn't say much about the rest of the league.

Exactly, says alot about Kobe Bryant's failings and player and person...

Also says a lot about how crap the East is to let the Pistons through in the first place.

Also says what a crap play-off system the NBA has that the BEST two teams don't get to compete in the NBA Finals.

Rate teams based on thier win/loss record 1 to 16, using some tie breakers and play them against each other, and the Pistons wouldn't have even made it passed the first round... I feel for guys like Cassell, Sprewell, and KG, and also Webb and Co... Because obviously the Laker versus Wolves would have been an NBA finals...

[spooks]

Exactly, says alot about Kobe Bryant's failings and player and person...

Also says a lot about how crap the East is to let the Pistons through in the first place.

Also says what a crap play-off system the NBA has that the BEST two teams don't get to compete in the NBA Finals.

Rate teams based on thier win/loss record 1 to 16, using some tie breakers and play them against each other, and the Pistons wouldn't have even made it passed the first round... I feel for guys like Cassell, Sprewell, and KG, and also Webb and Co... Because obviously the Laker versus Wolves would have been an NBA finals...

Pistons were the best team last year. Ask all the GMs, Coaches, Analysts, random scrub on the street. When a team wins it all, they were the best that year. Period No ifs, ands, or buts.

I'm a diehard Lakers fan and even I can admit the Pistons were the better team. Don't even bring the Spurs, Minny and Kings into the discussion, we whooped them. Still got our asses handed to us by the Pistons.

[Crazy8]

Long i think you think too highly of the Laker's team. last year they absolutely have no defence and no offence as teamwork wise between players. If lakers can beat those teams with a defence and offence like that in the West i highly think that piston can whoop the crap out of almost any team in the West. i think the West lacks D, as long as you have a fast and strong guy driving in, the West dont have alot of teams that can stop that. i think that was the downfall of the Lakers, thinking they have guys that are strong and fast and think they can drive in on any team, well that works for the West but not with the Pistons. I think that was why Kobe have to take more difficult shots cus he cant drive in, and also cus his a ball hog he wouldnt pass to shaq. Maybe the Result would be different if the team the pistons were to play was the kings or marvs but against any other team in the West they would win.

the rockets team this year reminds me of last years laker's team. hope they can get the offence and defence going.

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Well even if the Pistons are considered to be the best team in the NBA, that did not mean they were the best team in World Basketball and do not deserve the title of "World Champions", but only "NBA Champions".

Had the Pistons played a 7 game series versus the Australian Champions the Sydney Kings featuring lethal outside shooters like CJ Bruton, inside post players like Matthew Neilsen, and Co, suffice to say that they would have been swept.

In fact player the Pistons versus the Italian, Argentina, Spainish, Greek, CHampions in 7 games they would probably have been swept also.... These teams have the shooters to make the kind of shots that Kobe Bryant, Reggie Miller, and Jason Kidd could not make versus the Pistons.

And if the Olympics demonstrate anything, an international team or an international club team are capable of hitting 20+ 3 pointers per night... Something the NBA can only dream off... Clearly the USA are no longer the best basketball nation...

[- L1n -]

Well even if the Pistons are considered to be the best team in the NBA, that did not mean they were the best team in World Basketball and do not deserve the title of "World Champions", but only "NBA Champions".

Had the Pistons played a 7 game series versus the Australian Champions the Sydney Kings featuring lethal outside shooters like CJ Bruton, inside post players like Matthew Neilsen, and Co, suffice to say that they would have been swept.

In fact player the Pistons versus the Italian, Argentina, Spainish, Greek, CHampions in 7 games they would probably have been swept also.... These teams have the shooters to make the kind of shots that Kobe Bryant, Reggie Miller, and Jason Kidd could not make versus the Pistons.

And if the Olympics demonstrate anything, an international team or an international club team are capable of hitting 20+ 3 pointers per night... Something the NBA can only dream off... Clearly the USA are no longer the best basketball nation...

i'm the only reason usa went so shit in olmpics is becos all the good players backed out, u really think if the usa had an alsstar line up, spain can even come close, no way bro.


Imagine

Shaq
Kg
Duncan
Kobe
Davis/Francis/Marbury



ok with that team they would be like absolute pwnage man.




and plz sydney kings, i don't think so, the kings may have the shooters and may be the best team in australia, but can they handle the fast pace of the nba, look at shane hill, u can almost undoubtly call him one of the best NBL player ever (Australian equivalent of NBA) but yet he did'nt do shit in minnesota.

i rest my case,


PISTON IS THE BEST TEAM OF LAST SEASON BELIEVE IT OR NOT. (i hate pistons but i can still admit the facts)

[Crazy8]

maybe.....
i have not seen any players outside the nba or olympics play, so i dont really know. i'm sure if those ppl are that good they will be draft to the NBA soon.
the thing with the olympics is that when you have players that are good at shooting it is much easier to coach when time is at hand. to fully coach a champion team you cant only rely on shooters, i think thats where the boardline between the NBA and the world. The NBA have so much talent that some coaches dont know how to coach them.. exmp; lakers team, but if they can fully coach the team they can get a team like the pistons or the 97 bulls.

[spooks]

Well even if the Pistons are considered to be the best team in the NBA, that did not mean they were the best team in World Basketball and do not deserve the title of "World Champions", but only "NBA Champions".

Had the Pistons played a 7 game series versus the Australian Champions the Sydney Kings featuring lethal outside shooters like CJ Bruton, inside post players like Matthew Neilsen, and Co, suffice to say that they would have been swept.

In fact player the Pistons versus the Italian, Argentina, Spainish, Greek, CHampions in 7 games they would probably have been swept also.... These teams have the shooters to make the kind of shots that Kobe Bryant, Reggie Miller, and Jason Kidd could not make versus the Pistons.

And if the Olympics demonstrate anything, an international team or an international club team are capable of hitting 20+ 3 pointers per night... Something the NBA can only dream off... Clearly the USA are no longer the best basketball nation...

Wow your arguments are getting worse as we go along. NBA is the cream of the crop in terms of Basketball leagues. Pistons were the NBA champs.

Don't believe me? Scrubs like Trajan Langdon who suck in the league are big in Euro leagues, leading their teams to Championships over there. He isn't the only NBA reject dominating Euro leagues. Hell I know guys who had no chance of making it to the NBA going over to Europe to play professional ball.

Int'l 3 pointer is something like 3 feet closer than the NBA line. 20+ 3 pointers from Int't distance is nothing and the US didn't send great shooters over either.

Anyone who thinks that the USA isn't the best basketball nation by a large margin. Does not know much about the game.

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Argentina were the best team in the Olympics. Ask all the GMs, Coaches, Analysts, random scrub on the street. When a team wins it all, they were the best in the world. Period No ifs, ands, buts or maybes. USA could have sent thier best team and still would have went down...

Also in relation to Heal, he was given like 5 mins in the NBA to do his stuff, so yeah really great opportunity to show his stuff.... But if anything shows Heal has killed the USA on more then one occassion even when they had there best players there... Heal is a tough bloke, like the rest of the Aussies and won't take a back seat to anyone, including Sir Charles. Remember that?? Heal killed all of the USA guards whenever USA played Australia... And most of the time the USA guards inlcuding KJ, and co looked slow...

I think the NBA "hated" the fact that Heal killed the USA guards so much that when he went to the NBA they purposely sat him behind MArbury just to lower Heal's confidence...

They way Heal burned Marbury in the Olympics demonstrates that the Wolves probably should have started Heal that season, when they were playing together... Prehaps with Heal as the starting PG alongside KG and Googs that year they might have won a campionship...

[Crazy8]

you cant really say that.
different country plays differently, so you might be good at one place but suck in another. now in the nba when you think about good players theres a 50% chance that you will name a foriegn player. because the NBA is dominated by so much foriegn players like dirt, peja, nash, goasol, yoa ming, many more.. you can say that all good teams depend on foreign players.

[spooks]

If you truly believe that Argentina beating the USA C team means they're the best basketball nation in the world. All the power to you. Nice of you to twist my words to argue your point. Since pretty much everything else you've brought up has been shot down so far. Here's goes another one of your arguments.

Heal got his *** cut for a reason. The Spurs chose Charlie freaking Ward over him. Popovich knows talent, isn't a xenophobe either. Beno Udrih, Gino, Parker, Rasho list goes on. Heal was cut because he sucked, he sat behind Marbs because he sucked.

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Anyone who thinks that the USA isn't the best basketball nation by a large margin. Does not know much about the game.

The game my friend has changed and the idiots in the USA don't see that it has. USA's atheltic abilities alone can no longer win them games.

The rest of the world know has better basketball fundamentals and brains then the USA. USA just relies on athletic ability, you'd be a fool not to see that...

Also a 6th placing and the World Championships and then a 3rd placing at the Olympics is no conisidence.... A long time ago USA college kids can beat international teams?? How is it that Pro players today can't do what collegue players did yesterday??? It's because the USA has taken a huge SLIDE in terms of baskteball fundamentals...

THey could send their best to the next baskteball world championships and I would rate them as long "outsiders" to win. But that debate is not until a few more years...

My point is the Pistons sucked, and should never have won, and I stand by that...

[Crazy8]

it is the problem with the coaching not the players, the coach didnt have enough time to do anything. i think if the entire piston's team went to the olympics they would of won gold. why because the coaches have an entire season to do thier job. same goes with the college teams beating the international teams, its the coaching. hell! send the harlem globetrabtors(spell?) and they will win the gold, cus thats about the same way international players play, just shoot.

[spooks]

Pistons suck? You still haven't given 1 legitimate reason to why they suck. Pretty much just mindless bashing.

USA send their elite players this year or 4 years from now. Give them some time to play together like all other Int'l teams. Game over.

[- L1n -]

The game my friend has changed and the idiots in the USA don't see that it has. USA's atheltic abilities alone can no longer win them games.

The rest of the world know has better basketball fundamentals and brains then the USA. USA just relies on athletic ability, you'd be a fool not to see that...

Also a 6th placing and the World Championships and then a 3rd placing at the Olympics is no conisidence.... A long time ago USA college kids can beat international teams?? How is it that Pro players today can't do what collegue players did yesterday??? It's because the USA has taken a huge SLIDE in terms of baskteball fundamentals...

THey could send their best to the next baskteball world championships and I would rate them as long "outsiders" to win. But that debate is not until a few more years...

My point is the Pistons sucked, and should never have won, and I stand by that...

i'll love to see a c grade australian team even beating the under 16 usa team.lol if there is a under 16 team.hahahah thats how shit australia is in terms of basketball long.


NBA is the peak of basketball, what about athletism isn't all sport about that, tatics only can get u so far but athletism can take u alot further and if u manage to put it togther (something usa hasn't done since the golden yrs with jordan) u can own anyone.


I live in australia buddy and i seen kings play and shit and i just wanna make iot clear NO AUSSIE TEAM CAN BEAT ANY NBA TEAM, NOT EVEN THE RAPTORS WHO R SHIT HOUSE AT THE MOMENT.


If usa picks it's best team no team in the world will beat them it's a fact, usa is just to strong, just becos they did shit at the olmpics does not mean they r not the number 1 in basketball.


See in the 2000 olmpics usa won, and u no why, good players, and u no why they sucked this yr, shit players now can u see the difference.


and no piston does not suck loser, 10 times better than the lakers even with shaq.

[Long]

i'll love to see a c grade australian team even beating the under 16 usa team.lol if there is a under 16 team.hahahah thats how shit australia is in terms of basketball long.

Mate you make me laugh... Or are you forgetting that the Australian youth team won Silver not that long ago, and OH GASP..... Smashed to pieces the USA's youth team...


[QOUTE] If usa picks it's best team no team in the world will beat them it's a fact, usa is just to strong, just becos they did shit at the olmpics does not mean they r not the number 1 in basketball. See in the 2000 olmpics usa won, and u no why, good players, and u no why they sucked this yr, shit players now can u see the difference. [/QUOTE]

We shall see... Like I said that debate is not for another time... Even the original Dream Team featuring MJ, Bird, and Magic, only ended up just beating a Croatia team featuring Kukoc, Petrovic, and Radja. At that time Kukoc and Radja were not in the NBA...

Also with the Pistons, everyone says they have stocked up and are better this year than last year. Would anyone like to place a bet that even if healthy they will not make a return to the NBA Finals - I'll put $50 USA on it, what about you Spooks?? And people here on the forum can be witnesses to this bet at the end of the season...

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i'll love to see a c grade australian team even beating the under 16 usa team.lol if there is a under 16 team.hahahah thats how shit australia is in terms of basketball long.

Ooops... Correction, I was thinking of the youth team that featured Aaron TRahair, and Phil Dorthy that won the Silver at the Junior World Championships in Greece. They killed the USA team featuring the likes of Doleac, Garrity and co.. by over 20pts.

Australia's current Youth TEam are actually WORLD CHAMPS... They killed the USA, the favorites, 106 to 85 on thier way to GOLD.

So yeah Australia baskteball is really crap... Or are forgetting that Andrew Bogurt, Dave ANderson and Co are still young, and by the next World Champions will be ready...

[Crazy8]

lets end this arguement already and move on.

ok another person to add to the ball hog list that someone posted sometime ago.
Ben Gorden. he reminds me of Gary payton.
Hope they trade him so my guy Luol Deng can shine.

[spooks]

Mate you make me laugh... Or are you forgetting that the Australian youth team won Silver not that long ago, and OH GASP..... Smashed to pieces the USA's youth team...

Youth Team? Are we talking collegiate level here? I betting the USA didnt have their top prospects ie Emeka, Howard, Oden, Nelson, Chris Paul, Chris Taft blah blah blah.

We shall see... Like I said that debate is not for another time... Even the original Dream Team featuring MJ, Bird, and Magic, only ended up just beating a Croatia team featuring Kukoc, Petrovic, and Radja. At that time Kukoc and Radja were not in the NBA...

92' Dream Team

USA 116 Angola 48
USA 103 Croatia 70
USA 111 Germany 68
USA 127 Brazil 83
USA 122 Spain 81
USA 115 Puerto Rico 77
USA 127 Lithuania 76
USA 117 Croatia 85

Only ended up just beating? They stomped Croatia by a combined 65 points in 2 games.

[spooks]

lets end this arguement already and move on.

ok another person to add to the ball hog list that someone posted sometime ago.
Ben Gorden. he reminds me of Gary payton.
Hope they trade him so my guy Luol Deng can shine.

Ben Gordon is a 2 guard, same type of player of B. Davis, Arenas and Francis. I believe he'll develope into a similar player to those 3.

Luol Deng is a slightly more athletic version of Shane Battier (to me anyways)

You don't trade away high draft picks before they even play their first professional game. Besides they play different positions, no reason to ship either one off.

[Crazy8]

i know they play different positions but when you have a hogger in a team, the chance of loul deng shining is very little.