So? Dominating on a bad team gets you nothing, you know that. The number one thing in sports isn't dominating, it's about winning. Just look at how people put down Ron Harper just a bit ago simply because he was great for a terrible team. I don't deny that Amare had a good year last year, but you don't get any hype or coverage playing a great second half for a team that won a total of 29 games. Early in his careers nobody dominated games and put up numbers like MJ, but Bird and Magic kept on winning MVPs. There's a reason for that.Originally Posted by spooks
Of course not. Save for few exceptions (Chicago before Scottie got there, Lakers this year, Knicks during Bernard King's prime). But you can't deny that the circumstances around the Suns last year made it impossible to get too wrapped up about what Amare was doing. Nobody pays attention to 29 win teams.Last point, since when has a team's performance been placed on 1 player? Could the Sun's failure have been because they didn't have a decent PG for 2/3 of the year? Maybe because of bad coaching? Must have been that joke of a bench they tried to pass off as one.
Z's numbers last year/this year:What is the problem here? Okay maybe I should have been more specific and said C. Big men in this era suck, you can be an elite big man and be an average player at the same time. I'm comparing him to other players at his position, not all players in the NBA. You have Shaq and then the rest. Z, Yao, Miller and Big Ben fighting for the 2nd best centre in the league.
15.3ppg, 7.8rpg, 1.7bpg, 31.3mpg
17.8ppg, 7.8rpg, 1.8bpg, 33.8mpg
Miller's number last year/this year:
14.1ppg, 10.1rpg, 1.2bpg, 36.4mpg
16.2ppg, 8.3rpg, 1.1bpg, 35.3mpg
I won't repeat Yao's numbers but I think the conclusion is obvious. And it's unfair to list Big Ben's numbers since his effects on games are minimal on the offensive end (but did you know that over the last 2 years his production on the boards have fallen off by 4 boards a game? Suprising.) And check it out, none of the 3 are the focal point of their teams' offense. Lebron averages 18 shots a game in Cleveland. Sacramento has a lot of shots to go around for everyone (but on the other hand you can't say Miller's playing with bad players). And T-Mac averages 19 shots a game.
Another point about Miller. Here's another example of what happens when a guy goes from a bad team to a good team. He put up 13/8 for Chicago and nobody cared. Got traded to Indiana, put up 13/8 and played in the ASG. Still don't think team records make people sit up and take notice?
Except I don't agree with it at all. In my opinion he has been mis-used and put into positions that does not maximize his talent. But even despite of that, he has put up enough numbers to make him an "elite center" as you said, so maybe he's not just average. As I said, average players don't put up 30ppg against Shaq. (BTW, has anybody else noticed that Shaq's production has fallen off a bit the last 2 years? He's down to 20/11/2.8 this year. Not that far off of Yao's 19/9/1.4. Worrying.)He's an average player who happens to be one of the best at the weakest position in the NBA. He's an 'elite' C but just an average player. I'll go even further. He's an average player putting up good numbers because the offence is forced to go through him.
Also, it's obvious that Yao has been putting up better numbers Z and Miller, and is competing the title of "second best center" with Big Ben and Miller. Would you call Miller and Z average players? Or how about Big Ben? I wouldn't call those players average either.
You don't have to tell me the NBA all-star voting system is out of whack. I mean, VC starting and winning the most votes all these years? What the heck? Obviously, somethings out of whack.Ask yourself. Has his all-star appearances been because of his performance or because he's chinese? He's been voted in his last 2 years. 13/8 isn't all star numbers, you could argue is Yao's 19/9 really more deserving than Randolph's or Brand's 20/10. Remember it's an all-star game, team records don't matter.
But the real reason behind Yao's starts/appearances have to do with positions, not race. Brand plays the same position as Duncan and KG. Now if either one of them plays C, then I'd take them over Yao in a heart beat for the ASG the last 2 years. But they don't, and they get offended when you wonder why they don't, that's why Yao gets the nod over Brand. Randolph is different, he has a problem in that nobody likes Randolph. You don't get caught with drugs, spit on fans, act like a general punk, and get too many votes to the All-Star game (Rider anyone?).
And Bradley was a quick, great leaper with great reaction time? Really? You are the first one I've ever heard say that. Like I've said, I've seen Yao run the length of the court and dunk too, when allowed to by JVG, who has a rather unbalanced affection for the half-court game. Now if you flip your argument around, then you have something. Bradley never had anything but height, no shooting touch, no passing skills, no court vision, no court sense, all of which Yao has in spades.Running and dunking the length of the court with the ball is athleticism. Young Bradley was more athletic than Yao. Yao just isn't that athletic. He doesn't have much going for him besides height. Not quick by big man standards, horrible reaction time, not a great leaper nor is he a quick leaper.
Bradley is 31 now I was talking about him in his early 20s. What athleticism he once had is gone now because of age and confidence.
By the way. Uh.. Bradley is better now than he ever was in his early 20s. Like I said before, his best year came when he was 27. If you look at his career stats (and think back to how his influence over a game has changed over the course of his career), it's obvious that he started out terrible, a scrawny player with no skills that got by on his height that got better and stronger, enough to actually put up 14/8/3 a game for about 2 or 3 years before fading out past his prime. I don't know how you can twist it all to tell me that the Bradley that averages 8/8/3 while playing 28.8mpg is in anyway better than then 14/8/3 playing 31mpg.
It's interesting you are making excuses for Bradley yet not accepting any explanation for Yao's lack of development this year (for he did improve last year) other than "he's another Shawn Bradley".