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[duguxiaojing]

I heard from a friend that Vince is considering joining this years Slam dunk Contest I know we've all heard this for the last three years right before the all star game then vince has an injury but it looks like it might happen this year . Vince admitted he cant jump like he used to but i still think he can take it hands down. Hopefully kings James, Jrich(questionable not just because of injury he's "running out of dunks", all join as well. I know its never going to happen (again not just because of injury)but i also wish KB8 gives it another shot . His dunks have improved so much since 96 and the McD's slam dunk contest. I've also heard that the Kb8 can really do that 360 around the back dunk which was fake as heck on his commercial.

[Yon]

My Sonics wooped Cleveland arse last night. So Long Lebron James! KEKEKEKEE...

[spooks]

James and Bryant are in-game dunkers not sure they'd be that great in a dunking competition. They''ll get high and throw in down with power....but meh nothing fancy or creative.

I'd be very suprised if Bron, Kobe or TMac ever competes in a dunk competition again. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Personally I'd love to see Josh Smith, JR Smith and Iguodala in the comp. Throw in Chris Anderson again and you'll have a much better comp than last year.

*edit* Speaking of dunks, Swift just totally destroyed Yao. Dunk of the year candidate here. Nasty 2 hander over Yao (2 hander!!)

http://officegames.com/swift_yao_facial_clip.wmv

[Vicious]

Do YOU realize we're talking about a bench player. BENCH player!! Don't expect him to put up 20/10 off the BENCH, don't let Bron/Amare spoil you either MOST rookies do not join teams and start over an established 19/9 player or put up huge numbers off the BENCH. Have I stressed that Gooden was a BENCH player enough yet? 12.5/6.5 off the BENCH is productive

EXACTLY! we are talking about a bench player. A BENCH PLAYER! That's what Gooden was.

THAT'S why i said he hasn't produced, have you ever called a bench player a breakout star from a school?? "oh yeah, Kansas developed a lot of good players, see that guy coming off the bench?? yup, that's a jhawk right there. And there's plenty more of them out there too! "

And i'll roll a couple more eyes to show my sarcasm.

[Vicious]

He has lots of fan both in Canada and in US... when he was in Canada I mean everyone here voted for him.... and if you hear what other NBAers say... they always said he is the best at dunking, etc... So that can grow with popularity.

I think O'neal should of been voted higher but because of the thing that happen in detroit... that didn't help at all. I mean if they start Hill and Carter... to contain Garrett and Duncan (who I assume will start in the west). It is going to be a long game for the East even if they have Shaq at the post

hmm does this mean he'll have less votes now that's he's out of Oh Canada? i dont really care to see Hill start, i dont think he's that great this year is he? but it would be nice to see him in the game again.

[spooks]

EXACTLY! we are talking about a bench player. A BENCH PLAYER! That's what Gooden was.

THAT'S why i said he hasn't produced, have you ever called a bench player a breakout star from a school?? "oh yeah, Kansas developed a lot of good players, see that guy coming off the bench?? yup, that's a jhawk right there. And there's plenty more of them out there too! "

And i'll roll a couple more eyes to show my sarcasm.

Yes he was a bench player, what's your point? You're expecting a rook to come into the league and start over an established 19/9 player? Okaaaaaaaaaay. Pure genius, I'm sure they would have won more games if Gooden started over Gasol When he got PT, he played good. That's all that matters.

Emeka wouldn't start over Pau, Amare wouldn't, Howard wouldn't, Bosh wouldn't. Gooden should because?? Oh ya he was the 4th pick....wait a second....all those guys were high picks. We'll also blame his lack of production his 2nd year because he sucks. Not because he was playing an off position and getting irregular minutes. I'm sure Amare, Emeka, Bosh, or Howard would have done MUCH better had their idiotic coach moved them to 3.

Redoing the draft, at worst you draft him 4th (if you rank Boozer ahead of him, which is arguable because Boozer isn't that much better and Gooden has more room for development because of his athleticism, and he plays defense)

His numbers are pretty self-explanatory. If you still think he wasn't productive and a bust, all the power to you. You're wrong but I don't need to rehash numbers and explanations again. Apparantly every high pick coming into the league has to start over an established star and put up 20/10 to be productive in your book.

Nice of you to stand by your argument that every current Kansas player is shit besides PP. Totally forgetting about Kirk Hinrich, who is possibly the best young PG in the league AND finally leading the Bulls somewhere.

[Vicious]

Yes he was a bench player, what's your point? You're expecting a rook to come into the league and start over an established 19/9 player? Okaaaaaaaaaay. Pure genius, I'm sure they would have won more games if Gooden started over Gasol



Nice of you to stand by your argument that every current Kansas player is shit besides PP. Totally forgetting about Kirk Hinrich, who is possibly the best young PG in the league AND finally leading the Bulls somewhere.

You still dont understand my point?? Okaaaaaaaaaay. Pure genius.
Look at who you're comparing him to. Listen to what OTHERS are saying as breakout stars from selected school. Are you capable of understanding what other people are saying?

North Carolina defintely tops - MJ, Worthy, VC, Stackhouse, amongst others

UCLA - Abdul Jabbar, Baron Davis, Reggie Miller, Bill Walton?, Jammal Wilkes ect...

Georgetown - Ewing, Mourning, AI, Mutombo

My POINT was that besides Pierce, no one from KU of recent years has been productive enough to be compared to these players. Sure Gooden is a fine player. Like you said he's NEAR a "6th man of the year" stat right now - even though he can't win it, bc he's not a 6th man anymore - but he's well worth his paycheck. Your book, my book, whatever, there's still no way you can convince me that Gooden's play or stats can compare to these types of players.

And excuse me, where and when did i say every current KU player is shit? I didn't forget Hinrich, this is a guy i had three classes with in college, why would i forget him? But he's still hasn't gotten to that level yet.

The fact is no one other than Pierce has gotten to an All Star game. No one has ever dominated a game or even draw attention to themselves for a double team.
The best so far is Hinrich on the All-rookie team.

Oh well, you are the god of basketball right? you know all and i do not, so go ahead and convince me Gooden is good enough to be listed with them.

[spooks]

My POINT was that besides Pierce, no one from KU of recent years has been productive enough to be compared to these players

Kentucky has the most active players in the NBA right now with 13, followed by Duke and UConn. Duke probably has the best team, UNC is strong, Kansas gets overlooked.

We're arguing about 2 different things here, I'm was talking about college teams made of CURRENT NBA players. What I wrote may have been a bit ambiguous.

I'm not idiotic enough to put Gooden and Hinrich in the same sentence of HoFers.

End of discussion.

Gooden hasn't done anything productive prior to Cleveland. Now he's got Boozer's job but putting up less than Boozer's numbers

What I've been focused on. Blantantly wrong, apparantly you thought I was compared Gooden to HoFers. I wasn't.

Here's more numbers for you to digest.

Amare put up 13.6/8.8/1 shooting 47% playing 31 mpg won ROY
Gooden (after being traded to Orl) 13.6/8.4/1.1 shooting 50% playing 29 mpg.

Damn....so unproductive.

[jay_z]

My POINT was that besides Pierce, no one from KU of recent years has been productive enough to be compared to these players.

The fact is no one other than Pierce has gotten to an All Star game. No one has ever dominated a game or even draw attention to themselves for a double team.
The best so far is Hinrich on the All-rookie team.

again, danny manning! if you throw out names like jordan, reggie miller, and ewing, let me remind you that these players are OLDER than manning.

[spooks]

again, danny manning! if you throw out names like jordan, reggie miller, and ewing, let me remind you that these players are OLDER than manning.

Screw Manning, if we're talking all time.

Wilt Chamberlain

[Vicious]

End of discussion.

Damn....so unproductive.

That's it, end of discussion. I haven't been talking about anything else but comparing them to what you call HoFers. You're so quick to say Gooden's been productive compared to Boozer and all these other bench sitters, but i've never said that he has not been have i? I even said he's doing Boozer's old job.

[spooks]

You're so quick to say Gooden's been productive compared to Boozer and all these other bench sitters, but i've never said that he has not been have i? I even said he's doing Boozer's old job.

Gooden hasn't done anything productive prior to Cleveland. Now he's got Boozer's job but putting up less than Boozer's numbers.

Whatever. It doesn't matter its a minor detail and difference of opinion.

From my POV he's had a productive 3 year career thus far. Whether coming off the bench or being a starter on a playoff team. Comparing him to big men in the league as a whole, not just Boozer and other 'bench sitters'

[Vicious]

again, danny manning! if you throw out names like jordan, reggie miller, and ewing, let me remind you that these players are OLDER than manning.

If you really want to know what Kansas alumni team would have, i would say:
Wilt Chamberlain C
Danny Manning F
Clyde Lovellette F
Paul Pierce G
Jo Jo White PG

[Vicious]

Whatever. It doesn't matter its a minor detail and difference of opinion.

From my POV he's had a productive 3 year career thus far. Whether coming off the bench or being a starter on a playoff team. Comparing him to big men in the league as a whole, not just Boozer and other 'bench sitters'

yeah he's been earning his paycheck, unlike some recent drafts. He's not making a name for himself though, other than being too soft. He would make a great 2nd option to Lebron if he isn't so clumsy with the ball sometimes. From my POV he's just beginning to produce some good games, games where he had 19 rebounds.

[KJ]

James and Bryant are in-game dunkers not sure they'd be that great in a dunking competition. They''ll get high and throw in down with power....but meh nothing fancy or creative.

I'd be very suprised if Bron, Kobe or TMac ever competes in a dunk competition again. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Personally I'd love to see Josh Smith, JR Smith and Iguodala in the comp. Throw in Chris Anderson again and you'll have a much better comp than last year.

*edit* Speaking of dunks, Swift just totally destroyed Yao. Dunk of the year candidate here. Nasty 2 hander over Yao (2 hander!!)

http://officegames.com/swift_yao_facial_clip.wmv

That's unacceptable. Yao is freaking 7'6. He should never let someone post him up and take it in for a 2 hand jam in his face. This isn't a play where he's coming off the weak side to help. Swift just took him down low and posterized him.

[spooks]

That's unacceptable. Yao is freaking 7'6. He should never let someone post him up and take it in for a 2 hand jam in his face. This isn't a play where he's coming off the weak side to help. Swift just took him down low and posterized him.

You can see Swift lower his shoulder into Yao's chest just right before he jumps. Being outmuscled by Swift is unacceptable.

Great dunk though. I'd rank it up there with Kobe over Dwight Howard, and Josh Smith over Zaza Pachulia.

[jay_z]

That's unacceptable. Yao is freaking 7'6. He should never let someone post him up and take it in for a 2 hand jam in his face. This isn't a play where he's coming off the weak side to help. Swift just took him down low and posterized him.

great dunk! but it's not a big deal. big guy gets dunked on all the time. i remember DC dunked on shaq. the more the other players embarrass yao, the tougher he will be. i do have problem with him and his teammates, after being dunked on, he didn't work hard to get the ball and his teammates didn't look for him. american basketball #1: you always go after the guy that just embarrassed you. that's what i missed about the nba in the 80s when guys would take it personally and respond.

[Long]

great dunk! but it's not a big deal. big guy gets dunked on all the time. i remember DC dunked on shaq. the more the other players embarrass yao, the tougher he will be. i do have problem with him and his teammates, after being dunked on, he didn't work hard to get the ball and his teammates didn't look for him. american basketball #1: you always go after the guy that just embarrassed you. that's what i missed about the nba in the 80s when guys would take it personally and respond.

That's right.. I remember watching one game where Zo blocked MJ, collected the ball and started a fast break which was finished by LJ. He remained under the basket, with a smile and did the windscreen wiper move with his index finger to MJ, whilst MJ ran back hard to try and block LJ's lay-up.

MJ clearly was p*ssed with Zo for the windscreen wiper move he did with that one finger.

Then on the next offensive play, MJ dunked on Zo, and ran up the court with his arm out streched and winked at him...

[Long]

That's unacceptable. Yao is freaking 7'6. He should never let someone post him up and take it in for a 2 hand jam in his face. This isn't a play where he's coming off the weak side to help. Swift just took him down low and posterized him.

At least swift is what 6'9 verus 7'6? A difference of 7 inces.

Not has huge as when little KJ dunked on Mark Eaton. That's like a little dude who weighs like nothing standing at 6'1 dunking over a big fat white guy who was 7'4, and weighed heaps... That's like 13 inches difference, not to mention the huge difference in weight... So it's triple the feat of Stromlie.

Stromlie and Yao probably weigh about the same. Besides, Yao looks like he needs a decent meal - you can't call him fat or an inmovable object. Yao's also soft and doesn't like to inflict pain on people.

Eaton on the other hand was big and fat (played under the teachings of Karl Malone), and had a rough/tough guy white man look like that of 'chuck norris', ie I'm going to kick your butt if you get in the lane...

Makes KJ even more courageous.

So what's all the fuss about Stromlie dunking over Yao????

[Moinllieon]

At least swift is what 6'9 verus 7'6? A difference of 7 inces.

Not has huge as when little KJ dunked on Mark Eaton. That's like a little dude who weighs like nothing standing at 6'1 dunking over a big fat white guy who was 7'4, and weighed heaps... That's like 13 inches difference, not to mention the huge difference in weight... So it's triple the feat of Stromlie.

Stromlie and Yao probably weigh about the same. Besides, Yao looks like he needs a decent meal - you can't call him fat or an inmovable object. Yao's also soft and doesn't like to inflict pain on people.

Eaton on the other hand was big and fat (played under the teachings of Karl Malone), and had a rough/tough guy white man look like that of 'chuck norris', ie I'm going to kick your butt if you get in the lane...

Makes KJ even more courageous.

So what's all the fuss about Stromlie dunking over Yao????

Can I just point out you are bringing up one of, if not the, greatest dunks of all time to trump Stromile's dunk. That's like bringing up Maradona to trump Gazza's craziness.