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    What is 9 yin shen gong and 9 yan shen gong? Where does each shen gong come from and what does each shen gong do? How come one one shen gong appears in each martial art movie? Is there any movie which both shen gong is used by different people?

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    Originally posted by Jeren of all Trades
    What is 9 yin shen gong and 9 yan shen gong? Where does each shen gong come from and what does each shen gong do? How come one one shen gong appears in each martial art movie? Is there any movie which both shen gong is used by different people?
    9 Yin Jen Jing is the most powerful martial arts during LOCH and ROCH era. It was invented by Huang Shang. 9YJJ is the complete package of martial arts which consist of 2 volumes ; internal energy cultivation with several utilization + 9Yin divine white bone claws.
    9 Yang Shen Gong appeared at the end of ROCH, and the most powerful internal energy cultivation in HSDS era. Dunno, who created this martial arts, but possibly it came from buddhist manuscript or something.
    In HSDS, both of them appeared in different possesion. 9Yang Shen gong was mastered by ZWJ and 9YJJ the other hand was partly master by ZZR.
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    no 9yjj of hsds was not the original maunual it was condensed by hr, and zzr did'nt even come close to mastering it. And even if it was if u compared the condensed version to the original the difference is huge.

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    I believe the whole volume was in the Heaven Sword. But it would take tme to master that one, so instead, ZZR chose the modified one which was also included inside.
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    It is true that 9 yin shen gong and 9 yan shen gong is the most powerful kind of martial arts in every movie, but what exactly does each shen gong do or how does it increases or help your own martial art? 9 yin and 9 yan are suppose to be opposite right, still yin and yan are opposite, so what does 9 yin do and what does 9 yan do?

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    9 Yin contains two volume. One has advance energy cultivation, healing techniques, etc. The other one has advance martial art techniques such 9 Yum Claw, Demon Subduing Palm, Hyponsis and more. 9 Yang is solely an advance internal energy cultivation.
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    Didn't Zhang Wu Ji learn the soft bone kung fu from the 9 Yang manual?

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    Originally posted by Dirt
    Didn't Zhang Wu Ji learn the soft bone kung fu from the 9 Yang manual?
    Yes he did. I have just finished reading the 3rd edition of ROCH and something struck me. There appears to be a common misconception that 9Yang only has inner strength cultivation techniques. However at the end of ROCH Jue Yuan espoused several martial theories that were no less profound than those found in the 9yin. (At least Yang Guo seemed to think so) These theories were not solely related to inner strength cultivation, but rather to martial arts as a whole.

    Incidentally, the passage I am referring to was also in the 2nd edition of ROCH. I cannot comment as to the 1st edition, since I never read it.

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    i've had a theory for a while about 9yang's orginator and i belive that it's jmz from dgsd. here's my reason why. jmz beside being an expert in many types of martial arts had two of the most powerful skills of his time, xiao yoa pai toaist skills and yiyingji from shaolin. one is from the 'yang' aspect of toaist kung fu, like 6yang. yiyingji is shaolin top inner energy practise that also has top kung fu theory in it.[read lanny's proud'smiling wander for the conversation between linghuchong and the abbot about yiyingji] . now 9yang followed buddhist martial theory but went toaist in nature. yiyingji + xiao yao pai = 9yang.plus there are similarities between zwj battle when using 9yang and xuzhu battle with xiao yoa pai. when jmz used shaolin's firewood burning knife hand to chop of xuzhu's arm's in their duel xuzhu used xiao yao pai inner energy to defend him self.when zmj fought the monk at bright peak ,the monk tried to piecre his arm with shoalin dragon claws but zwj blocked with his 9yang energy. also with xiao yao pai energy jmz and xuzhu could use any skill in the world(flower rubbing finger,demon subduing palm), with 9yang zmj could learn and use any skill easily just by watching. [qian kian reversal skill allowed him to find the srenght and weakness of any skill but it was 9yang that let him learn dragon claws by watching] . i figured it 9yang was created like this[not from any novel or adaption,just my imagination] after jmz lost all his inner energy and became a good guy preaching buddhism, he wander around . before he concentrated on learn martial arts now he concentrated on religon and learned alot. buddhism practised in china was zen buddhism which combines buddhist,toaist and confusnism. after a few years he got a weird conclusion.he found buddhist and toaist philospher could be combined but why not the martial arts.he sat down at the mouth of a cave thinking about it.it started to rain all day and night ,just towards morning it turned into a light rain fall. whenthe sun rose he saw a beautiful sight.the sun rising below and above it a rainbow.the sun representing buddhism and the rainbow of 7 colours representing toaism existing and complmenting each other.this sight gave him a sudden burst of enlightenment. he stared meditating in side the cave for 9 years on this new martial philosphy.when he emerged he created 9yang.he immediately wanted to write it down but he didn't have any spare paper so he wrote it in the margin's of the leng ga sutra that he was reading. (if anyone is wondering why he wrote it in ancient writing here's my explantion, when mch gave him the shaolin martial arts most of them were writien in the acient style so jmz studied that style often and was most familier with that style plus about a 150 years before jue yuan read it so the writing style changed.)by now jmz did not seek fame or to rule wulin so he wrote it under a pen name. jmz always felt bad about stealing shoalin's martial arts so he sent them the sutra but did not mention the 9yang as he didn't want any credit.he figured some monk would read and benefit from it and his debt to shoalin would be paid up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stt76
    There appears to be a common misconception that 9Yang only has inner strength cultivation techniques.
    I agree that 9 Yang isn't only internal energy cultivation. There are plenty of martial art theory in them, just that there wasn't any actual technique. I think there is even internal energy generation in it to such as MJ's third palm attack on ZWJ.

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    and a lot of wudang skills were based on 9yang teachings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyss of the sword
    and a lot of wudang skills were based on 9yang teachings.
    I don't think so, the basis of wudang skills was a little bit more based on taoist philosophy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToOn99
    I don't think so, the basis of wudang skills was a little bit more based on taoist philosophy.
    ToOn, wasn't 9 Yang also taoist in nature?

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    I thought it was part of buddhist scriptures (no idea which one is that )
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToOn99
    I thought it was part of buddhist scriptures (no idea which one is that )
    The 9 Yeung Jen Ging was physically hidden within the text of a Buddhist scripture, but the manual was certainly not a native Shaolin skill. It's a mystery how the 9 Yeung Jen Ging's text ended up in a religious text in Shaolin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToOn99
    I thought it was part of buddhist scriptures (no idea which one is that )
    I think Z3F thought 9 Yang was taoist in nature althought it was in the buddhist scriptures.

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    Default Jiu Yin Zhen Jing - Nine Yin Manual

    Jiu Yin Zhen Jing was compiled by Huang Shang, a high-ranking official who served one of the Song emperors who reigned between the time of LOCH. According to the history that Zhou Botong told Guo Jing in LOCH while they were holed up in the cave on Peach Blossom Island, the Song emperor had asked Huang Shang, a man who was equally gifted in both the martial and literary arts, to compile a book from thousands of loose scrolls containing information on everything from inner power to healing techniques to Taoist philosophy.

    This compendium became the first volume of Jiu Yin Zhen Jing. Sometime later, the Song emperor ordered Huang Shang to lead a Song army to eradicate a group of anti-government rebels who practiced a strange, foreign religion called Zoroasterianism. This group, the Ming Cult, was headquartered at a mountain fortress called Guangming Ding. The Song army proved inadequate to take the fortress, but Huang Shang fought the Ming Cult's most powerful fighters one-on-one and managed to defeat and kill nearly all of them until exhaustion finally forced him to retreat.

    The Ming Cult, seeking revenge for the havoc that Huang Shang had unleashed upon them, sent their most powerful surviving martial artists to murder Huang Shang's family. An enraged Huang Shang vowed to eradicate the Ming Cult. For the next 40 years, Huang Shang dedicated himself to finding methods capable of neutralizing all of the Ming Cult's kungfu. Additionally, because many of the Ming Cult members were affiliated with such established fighter groups as Shaolin, Kunlun, Gongdong, Gai Bang, the Duan Royal Family of Dali, etc., Huang Shang had to develop techniques capable of neutralizing the kungfu of these traditional sects as well.

    Finally, Huang Shang succeeded in accomplishing this monumental task. Unfortunately, during the intervening years, his enemies had all died of other causes. Confronted with this reality, all Huang Shang could do was make a second compilation based on his 40 years of study; this became the second volume of Jiu Yin Zhen Jing.

    The two volumes of Jiu Yin Zhen Jing were not heard from again for many years, until the first Hua Shan Luen Jian. The Five Greats - Eastern Heretic Huang Yaoshi, Western Venom Ouyang Feng, Southern Emperor Duan Zhixing, Northern Beggar Hong Qigong, and Central Divinity Wang Chongyang - agreed that the winner of the tournament would gain sole possession of the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing.

    After a fierce, seven-day battle, Wang Chongyang won out and became the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing's owner. It is unknown how much of the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing Wang Chongyang learned in his remaining lifetime, which did not extend for very long after his victory at the Hua Shan Luen Jian. He did incorporate some of Jiu Yin Zhen Jing's underlying principles into the fighting techniques of his organization, the Chunjen Bai, and he did leave a portion of the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing capable of defeating the Gumu Bai's kungfu in his former lover and bitter rival Lin Chaoying's tomb in a final gesture of one-ups-manship.

    Before passing away, Wang Chongyang left the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing in the care of his younger sect brother, Zhou Botong, beseeching him not to let it fall into the wrong hands. Wang Chongyang also stipulated that no member of the Chunjen Bai would be permitted to learn any of the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing. (A stipulation that Zhou Botong would ignore years later.) Western Venom Ouyang Feng attempted to steal the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing, but was thwarted by Wang Chongyang himself shortly before the latter's death.

    After Wang Chongyang's death, Zhou Botong traveled to Peach Blossom Island to warn Eastern Heretic Huang Yaoshi to not try to steal the manual. Huang Yaoshi's wife, who had the gift of photographic memory, memorized the entire text of the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing upon one viewing, then tricked Zhou Botong into thinking that the manual was a worthless fraud.

    In a fit of anger, Zhou Botong destroyed one of the two volumes of Jiu Yin Zhen Jing. Huang Yaoshi's wife copied the entire text for her husband from memory. This text was promptly stolen by Chen Xuanfeng and Mei Chaofeng, two of Huang Yaoshi's students, who were in love and, forbidden from marrying by their master, planned to elope.

    Mei Chaofeng and Chen Xuanfeng fled from Peach Blossom Island with the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing. Huang Yaoshi, angered at their betrayal, crippled the legs of his remaining students: Lu Chengfeng, Qu Lingfeng, and Feng Mofeng.

    Huang Yaoshi's wife then attempted to produce a second copy of Jiu Yin Zhen Jing for her husband, but the strain of the task was too much for the pregnant woman, who died after giving birth to their daughter, Huang Rong. Henceforth, Huang Yaoshi vowed never to learn the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing, and to destroy anyone who dared to learn from the book.

    Meanwhile, Zhou Botong had learned that he had been fooled by Huang Yaoshi. For the next decade and a half, he would be an unwanted guest on Peach Blossom Island, repeatedly harassing Huang Yaoshi to turn the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing over to him.

    Mei Chaofeng and Chen Xuanfeng, not fully understanding the complex techniques of the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing, were only able to master one aspect of the book, the deadly and cruel Jiu Yin Bai Gu Zhao. Moreover, they were constantly being pursued by their enemies, which included the Chunjen Bai, their former Peach Blossom Island sect brothers, and such heroes as the Jiang Nan Qi Guai.

    It was in Mongolia that Chen Xuanfeng was killed by the six-year old Guo Jing, the newly recruited student of the Jiang Nan Qi Guai. Mei Chaofeng then took the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing text that Chen Xuanfeng had tattooed onto the skin of his chest.

    Years later, a battle between Mei Chaofeng and Northern Beggar Hong Qigong left this copy of the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing in Guo Jing's possession. When Guo Jing arrived on Peach Blossom Island to seek Huang Rong's hand in marriage, Zhou Botong forced Guo Jing to memorize the entire text of the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing. After Huang Yaoshi and Zhou Botong destroyed the remaining printed copies of the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing (the original second volume still in Zhou Botong's possession plus the copy on Chen Xuanfeng's skin) in the wake of a bitter argument, the complete Jiu Yin Zhen Jing existed only in the memories of Zhou Botong and Guo Jing!

    Western Venom Ouyang Feng, still seeking supremacy in the martial arts world, took turns forcing Guo Jing and later Huang Rong, who had learned the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing from Guo Jing, to produce a copy for him. Guo Jing produced a false copy of the manual for Ouyang Feng, with lines missing or even rewritten. The result was a temporary boost in Ouyang Feng's power that briefly made him the world's greatest fighter, but which ultimately cost him his sanity.

    Over the years, Guo Jing studied and practiced the principles of Jiu Yin Zhen Jing. Eventually, his studies, combined with his extensive kungfu knowledge (which included the Gai Bang's mighty Xiang Long Shi Ba Zhang, Zhou Botong's Left/Right Hand Technique and Vacant Fist, Quanzhen Jiao's inner power and xinggong, and the diverse kungfu of the Jiang Nan Qi Guai), enabled him to become arguably the world's greatest fighter by the time he was in his 30s.

    Guo Jing, his wife Huang Rong, and their allies defended Xiang Yang Fortress from the Mongol invaders for many years. Ultimately, seeing that the fortress was undefendable, Guo Jing copied out manuals of all his kungfu, including Jiu Yin Zhen Jing, and placed these into an indestructible sword that he had forged with the metal of his nephew's Iron Sword, which had once belonged to the legendary invincible Sword Demon Dugu Qiubai.

    The Heaven Sword became Guo Jing's legacy to his youngest daughter Guo Xiang, who decades later founded the E'Mei Bai. A century later, it was the fourth-generation E'Mei Bai leader, Zhou Zhiruo, who uncovered the secret of the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing and used the Jiu Yin Bai Gu Zhao to wreak havoc upon the pugilistic world of her time. The fate of the Jiu Yin Zhen Jing from that point on is unaccounted for.
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    Default Jiu Yang Zhen Jing - Nine Yang Manual

    Jiu Yang Zhen Jing's history is far more sketchy. It has been rumored that Shaolin's founder, Da Mo, was the creator of the Jiu Yang Zhen Jing, but this has never been verified. The manual's existence was unknown to the pugilistic world until the end of the ROCH storyline, when the Mongolian thugs Yin Kexi and Xiao Xiangzi stole the manual from Shaolin Temple.

    Shaolin librarian Jue Yuan and his young disciple, Zhang Junbao pursued Yin Kexi and Xiao Xiangzi to Hua Shan, where the newly-named New Five Greats (Eastern Heretic Huang Yaoshi, Western Crazy Yang Guo, Southern Monk Yideng, Northern Hero Guo Jing, and Central Child Zhou Botong) were paying their respects to fallen Greats Northern Beggar Hong Qigong and Western Venom Ouyang Feng.

    With the help of Yang Guo, Zhang Junbao was able to thwart Yin Kexi and Xiao Xiangzi, but the Jiu Yang Zhen Jing was nowhere to be found. Unbeknownst to all present at Mountain Hua, Yin Kexi had hidden the Jiu Yang Zhen Jing in the abdomen of a large gorilla. On his deathbed, Yin Kexi made a confession to Kunlun Bai elder He Zudao, but Yin Kexi slurred the final statement and instead of hearing "The book is in the gorilla", He Zudao heard "The book is in the oil", which mystified everyone for a century.

    Jue Yuan the Monk had memorized the text of the Jiu Yang Zhen Jing, and before his death three years after the book was lost, he managed a deathbed recital of the text that Zhang Junbao, Guo Xiang, and a high-ranking Shaolin monk named Mo Shi were each able to memorize various parts of. Zhang Junbao and Guo Xiang were able to incorporate various principles of the Jiu Yang Zhen Jing into their personal kungfu and the kungfu of the sects they eventually founded, Wudang Bai and E'Mei Bai, as did Wu Se for Shaolin.

    NO ONE, however, possessed the complete Jiu Yang Zhen Jing again for a century until the young hero Zhang Wuji, son of Zhang Sanfeng's student Zhang Chuisan and future leader of the Ming Cult, found the gorilla, amazingly still alive, that Yin Kexi had hidden the Jiu Yang Zhen Jing in a century earlier and liberated the books from concealment. The 15-year old Zhang Wuji spent the next five years learning the Jiu Yang Zhen Jing, and upon his completion of his studies at age 20, became one of the most powerful men of his time.
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    Hi All,

    Sorry for the long text. Hope Jeren gets a reasonable answer to his question. Btw, the text i got it from one of the website i came across while searching the web. Any credits/negative comments goes to the actual writer.

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    if theres someone with full grasp of 9 yang and other with full grasp of 9 yin , release all their power on each other , who will win

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