regarding yuen yueh wan doh

[maxwell]

hope someone can help...i m new here

who carved the words ---siu lao yat yeh ting choon yue---on the wan doh? ---i was told it was not jeh yin fung, but some one related to pak tin yue...


siu lao ---is that the name of a person? who is it?

the remaining words is translated as listening to the rain in one spring night right?


anyone who can help out ---please do so...


gu long greatest fan ---david tan

[xJadedx]

I think it's Bai XiaoLou, the person who founded Mou Jiao.

[maxwell]

thak jaded wener,

is bai xiao lou the father bai tian you?

[xJadedx]

That I'm not sure of.

[charbydis]

Originally posted by maxwell
is bai xiao lou the father bai tian you?

He is in "Nu Jian Kuang Hua", where "Xiao Lou/Siu Lau" stands for Bai Xiao Lou, and "Chun Yu" is Chou Chun Yu, who are both Bai Tian Yu's parents.

Bai Xiao Lou and Chou Chun Yu used their weapons to create the Demon Sect (Mo Jiao/Mo Gau), and where Bai Xiao Lou used the curved sabre and Chou Chun Yu used the straight sword.

However, the Bai Tian Yu in "Nu Jian Kuang Hua' is not the Bai Tian Yu in "Bordertown Wanderer", who was Ye Kai's real father (i.e. the playboy).

Xie Xiao Feng, third master Xiao, didn't have anything to do with the curved sabre, but I suspect Gu Long was trying to create a link between them but didn't have the time.

Actually, in the book "Full Moon Curved Sabre", the origin of the sword was never really mentioned, and I got really lost when I read it last year until someone from the Winglin Wuxia Forum directed me to read "Nu Jian Kuang Hua", which briefly told the life story of Bai Xiao Lou and Chou Chun Yu.

Just being curious, but maxwell, were you seeing the TVB 70's version? How did you get the idea of Xie Xiao Feng (Jie Hiu Fung) writing the words on the sabre?

[maxwell]

charbydis,

many thks for your detailed reply... i wish i am able to read chinese so that i can read the texts...

yes u r right...i saw the original tvb series with lau chong yan as tian pang...in the series the impression is that jeh yin fung may have carved those words...

u said that the bai tian yu in nu jian kuang hua is not the same person as in the bordertown wanderer...what do you mean?

u mean the bai tian yu in bordertown wanderer is not from mor jiao? a totally different character? ....

[maxwell]

charbydis,


can u briefly tell me what nu jian kuan hua is about? is it a continuation of the tian pang saga....what jeh yin fung? was he mentioned again...

i was told that tian pang curved sabre techniques helped jeh yin fung to figure out how to break yin sup sam fifteenth sword...


is this true...



jeh yin fung is my all time favourite gu lung hero..

[charbydis]

Originally posted by maxwell
charbydis,
many thks for your detailed reply... i wish i am able to read chinese so that i can read the texts...

Ok, but be prepared. Gu Long novels are pretty confusing as points he brang out earlier is forgotten in the later parts. But some of them are really good. Good luck and I hope you find a novel taht you would really enjoy.

Originally posted by maxwell
yes u r right...i saw the original tvb series with lau chong yan as tian pang...in the series the impression is that jeh yin fung may have carved those words...

Oh yeah! I saw that too! Funny thing is, that TVB's created ending was actually more easy to understand than the one in the novel.

The novel kept on mentioning that Ding Pang looked like someone who used to use the Curved Sabre, but then it nevre pointed out who. Then it turned into some sort of near-porno anti-climax in the middle of the book which really broed me.

But at least it was pointed out that Jie Siu Yuk was in fact really the daughter of Jie Hiu Fung and Princess Tian Mei (and not the daughter of Yan 13 in TVB). This Tian Mei was a different peron to the one portrayed in the TVB version.

Tian Mei in the novel was the illegitimite child of Ching Ching's grandfather's first wife, Madam Fragile Willow, who was neglected by Ching Ching's grandfather because of his duties as leader of Mo Gau. As a result, she ran off with a handsome bloke and had Tian Mei. (This is certain since Tian Mei has six fingers on one hand and so has the bloke her mother ran off with.)

But when Tian Mei was 3, her father caught her mother having another affair and killed her and himself. Tian Mei was brought back to Ching Ching's grandfather, who felt guilty, and let people believe that Tian Mei was his own child, and raised her with his son (Ching Ching's father) with the second wife.

Tian Mei was very beautiful and evil, but she fell in love with Jie Hiu Fung, but she couldn't make him settle down, so as a result, she ruined her own face and hid in the mountains, trying to excel Jie Hiu Fung in martial arts.

That's why Jie Siu Yuk tries so hard to conquer Ding Pang, because she sees Ding Pang as the same type of man as her father, the type who cannot be easily held down by a woman.

Also in the novel, it is hinted that Madam Fragile Willow (who has like slept with nearly every villian in Mor Gau) has something to do with the inscription of the Curved Sabre, and after revisiting the novel just then, I found out that it was indeed Qing Qing's grandfather who engraved the words.

Somthing like when Qing Qing's grandfather first met her, she was reciting this poem (Probably written by her father who was a teacher)and he was instantly attracted to her. And when she eloped, he was very angry and couldn advance his martial arts. By engraving the poem on the sabre, he controlled his temper everytime he looked at it and ended up entering into a state of peace and created a wonderful set of Curved Sabre Stances.

Originally posted by maxwell
u said that the bai tian yu in nu jian kuang hua is not the same person as in the bordertown wanderer...what do you mean?

The two people have the same name, but are not the same person, and are from different times and surroudings.

I think that maybe GL probabaly forgot about this previous character and used the same name to write a completely different and unrelated story. [/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by maxwell
can u briefly tell me what nu jian kuan hua is about? is it a continuation of the tian pang saga....what jeh yin fung? was he mentioned again...

NJKH is about starts off about two friends forced to kill each other. One, Chung Wai Mit is the leader of a Mor Gua-like association called Mor Mor, and is considered a threat to the government. The other, Wong Po King Tin, is a high-ranked official and therefore has to obey orders to capture and ruin Chung Wai Mit.

CWM eventually escapes and WPKT's infant daughter goes missing. Twenty years later, CWM's name rises again and the Wu Lin World in in fright. Basically, a young man called Bak Tin Yu comes into the picture and gets entangled in the revenge plot.

Bak Tin Yu has a secret to hide for he is the son of the fallen Mor Gau's leader Bak Siu Lau, who has been missing for twenty years. Mor Gau had been very strong and powerful in the past, but because of his mother, Sau Chun Yu's mysterious disappearance, his father also disappeared, leaving Mor Gau leaderless and left to the attacks of their enemies. The word is spread that it was Sau Chun Yu who betrayed her husband and her Cult, but Bak Tin Yu doesn't believe it.

The story then continues with pretty much, or should I say, the exact same events happening to Bak Tin Yu as to Ding Pang (e.g. meeting Jie Siu Yuk, helping Jie Hiu Fung figure out the essence of Yan 13's 15th sword). I think that whoever wrote for GL in FMCS, just got lazy and copied the whole chapters word for word, and changed the names from BTY into DP.

But the interesting thing that happens later on us that we find that Mor Gau and Mor Mor have a link, and that everything in this story, started because if three people: Bak Siu Lau, Sau Chun Yu and Sau Ching Ching.

Originally posted by maxwell
i was told that tian pang curved sabre techniques helped jeh yin fung to figure out how to break yin sup sam fifteenth sword...

is this true...

Yup. (This was also copied word for word into/from "Nu Jian Kuang Hua' with the substitute of names of Bai Tian Yu and Ding Pang.)

Originally posted by maxwell
jeh yin fung is my all time favourite gu lung hero..

Mine is Fa Mun Lau. Jie Hiu Fung is too playboyish for me.

[maxwell]

so qing qing grandfather is bai xiao lou and madam fragile willow is chun you?


guess who i had a drink with just now....lau dan, yes the lau dan from seh diu ying hung juin ---condor heroes---the lau dan who played hung chat gung...

my friend, who was involved in the movie biz in the early '80s, knows alot of HK actors and actresses such as di lung, jackie chan...lau dan and lee sau kei came to visit him just now, so we went to a pub for drink...

i am from penang, malaysia....

[charbydis]

Originally posted by maxwell
so qing qing grandfather is bai xiao lou and madam fragile willow is chun you?

No, different story, different people.

Bai Xiao Lou and Chou Chun Yu wasn't mentioned in FMCS. I kinda got confused earlier on. (sorry )

I personally prefer the BXK and CCY storyline over the Madam Fragile Willow storyline. The line "Xiao Lou Yi Ye Ting Chun Yu" just sounds so poetic and elegant, that I don't want it to be forvever assiciated with a crap like Madam Fragile (she was going after 14 year old boys as well ).

In MJKH, the line showed the love and respect BXL had for his wife, but it also showed ironic it was that she was not the woman he loved the most. It was a very bitter but romantic story, and the poem meant much more in NJKH than it meant in FMCS.

Originally posted by maxwell
guess who i had a drink with just now....lau dan, yes the lau dan from seh diu ying hung juin ---condor heroes---the lau dan who played hung chat gung...

my friend, who was involved in the movie biz in the early '80s, knows alot of HK actors and actresses such as di lung, jackie chan...lau dan and lee sau kei came to visit him just now, so we went to a pub for drink...

Lucky you! I like Lau Dan a lot and I think he is very talented.

I saw a few TVB veterans in the streets of HK but was afraid to approach. However, the only TVB veteran that I actually talked to was Mary Hon Ma Li (i.e. Jie Siu Yuk from "God of Sabre") and she's very nice too.

When I was in Adelaide, she opened a restaurant there where we lived closed by and my family always went there. But then she went back to HK.

BTW, have you ever seen Yeung Chak Lum (i.e. Au Yeung Fung in LOCH 83) before? I heard that he was living in Malaysia.

Originally posted by maxwell
i am from penang, malaysia....

I am from Melbourne, Australia.

[maxwell]

so gulung nu jian kuang hua was written before full moon curved sabre?

'I think that whoever wrote for GL in FMCS, just got lazy and copied the whole chapters word for word, and changed the names from BTY into DP' --do you mean that certain parts of fmcs was written by someone else and not gu lung?

thks again.


i work as a journalist...what about you?

[TigerWong]

Originally posted by maxwell
so gulung nu jian kuang hua was written before full moon curved sabre?

"Nu Jian Kuang Hua" was written several years after "Full Moon, Curved Sabre"

[charbydis]

Originally posted by maxwell
so gulung nu jian kuang hua was written before full moon curved sabre?

'I think that whoever wrote for GL in FMCS, just got lazy and copied the whole chapters word for word, and changed the names from BTY into DP' --do you mean that certain parts of fmcs was written by someone else and not gu lung?

thks again.

GL was sometimes very ill at times so he gets his friends to put together his preplanned ideas and finish a novel. Some of them ended up really bland and anti-climax.

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Originally posted by maxwell
work as a journalist...what about you?

Orthoptics student, 2nd year.


Thanks Tigerwong for clarifying!