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    It's both mentioned in loch and roch. It was the complete opposite of the 18 Dragon-subdueing palms. There were 72 stances in total and the main characteristic was that it was a "Yin" type of fist.
    So huge, so hopeless, to conceive
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    Parting is all we know of heaven
    And all we need of hell.

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    I think GX's poem was like this:

    A gentleman is exploring the mountainside
    Close to a stream, all alone
    Although he is forlorn, although he is unaware
    But he is wise, and will never change

    And this piece is gentleman's song:
    The day is so short, a hundred years is so long
    The earth is so wide, one hundred incarnations approaches the Tao
    An angel releases the reins, one half is as white as snow
    The Creator meets the Jade Lady laughing, I wish for the dragon's embrace
    Turning towards Phu Tang, to buy good wine at Bac Bau
    Inviting the dragon to riches which I scorn,
    That throughout the year beautify only the being.

    I found them on other website. They are not my work. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/redface.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/blush.gif" border="0">

    Are they accurate enough? The special words are in viet, so if you can give the equivalent in usual chinese name, it would be great (ie phy tang)

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    How powerful is the Kun Lun 3 saints? What skills do they possess. are they better than Shaolin?

    One strange thing, in LOCH and ROCH, shaolin monks are seldom being mention---they never fight with the 4 masters and WCY to see who is better

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    The questions really should wait til Athena's finished. All will be answered in time. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

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    Thanks Goofy! <IMG SRC="smilies/bow.gif" border="0">

    To Wang ChongYang: The ShaoLin Monastery was suffering from a down period at this time. None of the ShaoLin experts were even close to the the original and the new 5 Great Experts. They could count themselves lucky if they had experts in same levels as the 7 Masters of QuanZhen, the disciples of reverend YiDeng, etc.
    And the rest as Meh said will become clear in time.

    Guo Xiang roamed the realm for three years now, and encountered many strange incidents. So she forgot all about the man who played the zither and chess.
    Another 2 days, The 3 Saints of KunLun will challenge ShaoLin. She was thinking of a way to sneak in and watch but couldn't think of anything. She thought:"My mother can think of 18 plans in a blink of an eye. I'm just too stupid and I can't even think of one plan. Nevermind I'll just go to ShaoLin and perhaps they are too busy fighting of the intruders that they forget to stop me from entering."
    She ate some rations for the journey and proceeded to ShaoLin. After riding for some time, she saw 3 horses riding towards her. And in short while they passed her and were headed towards ShaoLin. The riders were all men in their fifties and were green robes and weapons hung to the saddles.
    Guo Xiang thought:"These 3 men are martial artists and they are carrying weapons. They must be The 3 Saints of KunLun. If I don't hurry up, I'll miss out on a good fight."
    She gave her mule a clap and he quickly pursued them. The 3 riders whipped their horses to increase speed. One of the old man turned back and gave a strange look.
    Guo Xiang's mule gave chase for a short distance, the 3 horses were out of sight.
    The mule looked exhausted. Guo Xiang scolded:"Lazy animal! Normally you never listen to me and keep running about. When I need you to run, you can't keep up."
    She pulled the mule to a small stone pavilion and gave the mule to rest. After awhile the three riders came back. Guo Xiang was surprised and thought:"Could it be that they are really that useless and were defeated in one blow?"
    The three riders dismounted, Guo Xiang looked at them and saw that one of them had a cinnabar coloured face. The other had a really red face and looked very friendly. The third one was very tall and skinny and looked very pale, but in his paleness there was a touch of green.
    These 3 old men looked very normal except for their strange skin complexion.
    She was very fascinated and asked:"Could I ask you whether you went to the ShaoLin Monastery or not? Why did you return when you just when up there?"
    The pale-looking man gave her a stern look, like scolding her for asking questions.
    The red-faced man smiled and said:"How did you know we are headed for the monastery?" Guo Xiang said:"If you go up there, you'll go to the ShaoLin Monastery."
    The red-faced man nodded and said:"That's true, and Miss where are you going?" Guo Xiang said:"You're going to ShaoLin, and I'm going too."
    The pale-faced man said:"ShaoLin doesn't allow women to enter and carrying weapons is also forbidden." He sounded very arrogant, and because of his height he looked over Guo Xiang's head ignoring her completely.
    Guo Xiang was annoyed and said:"Well you're carrying weapons too. Or aren't those weapons?"
    The pale-faced man coldly said:"How can you compare yourself with us?"
    Guo Xiang scoffed:"What about the 3 of you? Are The 3 Saints of KunLun fighting with the old monks of ShaoLin yet? Who won and who lost?"
    The 3 old men's faces changed. The red-faced man asked:"Little Miss, how do you know about this incident with The 3 Saints of KunLun?" Guo Xiang said:"Of course I know."
    The pale-faced man walked up and sternly said:"What's your name? Whose disciple are you? And what is your business here at ShaoLin?
    Guo Xiang raised her pretty face and said:"Never you mind."
    The pale-faced man was hot-tempered and raised his hand to slap her. But he realised that if he did that, he will be bullying a young girl. He swiftly advanced towards Guo Xiang and seized her sword.
    Guo Xiang was taken of guard, this never happened before in her life. To be frank with her martial arts and experience she was not fit to roam the realm on her own. But everyone respected Guo Jing and Huang Rong and knew she was their daughter and Yang Guo spreaded the word of her 16th birthday and all the unorthodox WuLin person knew her. Even if they dared not to give Guo Jing and Huang Rong face, they would surely respect Yang Guo. Furthermore she was very pretty and straightforward, she treated everyone equally no matter what social status they had. Although the realm of martial arts was a dangerous place, she always came out fine and without any harm. She never suffered such humiliation in her life and knew she couldn't get her sword back. Because she was not their match yet, but to give up like this was very difficult to accept.
    The pale-faced man held the sword between his index finger and middle finger and coldly said:"I'll keep this sword for awhile. Seeing you have the audacity to be disrespectful towards me, it's clearly that your parents and teachers didn't teach you any manners. If you want them to come and reclaim the sword and will tell them what happened and advise to pay more attention to you."
    Guo Xiang was furious when she heard this, according to this man she was a wild girl with no manners and thought:"Fine! Not only did you scold me, you also scolded my parents, grandfather. Do you really think you have invincible abilities and you can be that arrogant."
    She held her temper and said:"What's your name?"
    The pale-faced man grunted and said:"Let me teach you, you should say: Sirs, may I be so bold to ask you what your names are?"
    Guo Xiang angrily said:"No, I will say it however I want. If you don't want to tell me, fine it's not that I'm desperate to know. This sword isn't worth much, and you are bullying young girl by stealing their possesions. I don't want it anymore."
    She turned around and walked out the pavilion.
    So huge, so hopeless, to conceive
    As these that twice befell
    Parting is all we know of heaven
    And all we need of hell.

    Emily Dickinson (1830-1886)

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    I found something unique about Guo Xiang and zhang junbao. Didn't they born in the same month, (march?)

    GX's bd is 24, and zjb's is 27. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

    Let me know if this is incorrect. <IMG SRC="smilies/redface.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/blush.gif" border="0">

    btw, OT - what is the name of the rebel general who usurp the throne of ming for a short time before manchu entered china?

    Is there some more details on him somewhere? <IMG SRC="smilies/help.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/help.gif" border="0">
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    This is a great translation. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
    I actually read everything twice.
    Ppl should translate JY novels more.

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    To Goofy: I'm not sure about the same month part. But I do know that Guo Xiang is 3 years older than Zhang JunBao (Zhang SanFeng). And that Zhang's affection for Guo Xiang never died out even when he was over a hundred years old.
    -The rebel general was called Li ZiCheng aka King Chuang. He was not very successful due to the lack of discipline of his men. When they conquered Beijing they killed many people, raped women, stole from the civillians. Li, himself was to happy with Chen YuanYuan.

    Bobo: Thanks! <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
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    thanks, I think I will put it as a new topic to find out more about him. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/bow.gif" border="0">
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    Suddenly the red-faced man blocked Guo Xiang and smiled:"Young girls shouldn't be that hot-tempered, when you get married you can't throw tantrums like that anymore. Let me tell you, we are 3 martial arts brothers, and we just arrived in China a few days. We're from the western borders of China."
    Guo Xiang pouted:"I know that too, in China we don't recognize the 3 of you."
    The 3 men looked at each other and the red-faced man asked:"May I ask Miss, who your teacher is?" Guo Xiang didn't want to reveal the names of her parents at ShaoLin originally. But now she was angry and told them:"My father's name is Guo Jing. And my mother is called Huang Rong. I don't have a teacher, I learnt a bit of martial arts from my parents."
    The 3 old men looked at each other and the pale-face man softly said:"Guo Jing? Huang Rong? Of which school do they belong? Whose disciples are they?"
    Guo Xiang was infuriated, because her parents were respected throughout the realm. Even ordinary people know them let alone WuLin persons, the famous great hero Guo Jing was respected for guarding the city of XiangYang for many years. But judging from their expressions, they are not pretending to be ignorant. She realised:"These 3 Saints of KunLun live on the western borders and rarely come to China. Otherwise with their martial arts father and mother were bound to mention them to me. If they truly
    don't know my parents than it's not strange. It's very likely that they just study martial arts at Mount KunLun and forget all other matters."
    When she realised this, her anger disappeared, she is not a girl to throw tantrums and said:"My name is Guo Xiang. Fine, I have told you everything you wanted to know. Sirs, may I be so bold to
    ask you what your names are?"
    The red-faced man smiled:"That's a good girl, now you show respect to seniors."
    He pointed to the yellow-faced man and said:"That's our eldest martial arts brother, his name Pan TianGeng, I'm the second martial arts brother and my name is Fang TianLao. This is my third martial arts brother and his name is Wei TianWang. The 3 of us all belong to the Tian character generation."
    Guo Xiang nodded and remembered their names and asked:"Are you going to the ShaoLin Monastery or not? Have you battle the monks there? And who is better?"
    Wei TianWang sternly asked her:"How did you know we're going to compete with the ShaoLin monks? Hardly anyone knows this and when did you know this? Tell us now!"
    He walked towards Guo Xiang made a fist and stared at Guo Xiang very viciously.
    Guo Xiang thought:"Do you really think you can intimidate me? Originally I wanted to tell you, but now I won't talk."
    She gave him an indifferent eye and said coldly:"Your name is good, why don't you change it in to TianE ('born viciously')?"
    Wei TianWang angrily shouted:"What?"
    Guo Xiang said:"I never met a more vicious man like you, you grapped my weapon and you're still this fierce. Are you the Deity of Ferociousness in reincarnation?"
    Wei TianWang made a few strang noises like an animal and his chest swelled up and it looked like his hair and eyebrows raised too.
    Fang TianLao said:"Third brother, don't get upset." and he pulled Guo Xiang back and he stood between the 2 of them.
    Guo Xiang saw Wei TianWang and knew if he attacked she would not be able to withstand it and was beginning to get a bit scared.
    Wei TianWang pulled out the short sword of Guo Xiang and used 2 fingers to hold it and used his internal strength to break it into 2 halves. He returned the broken half back into the scabbard and said:"Who wants your unworthy sword."
    Guo Xiang saw the powerful energy of his fingers and looked in awe.
    Wei TianWang saw her expression and was very pleased and laughed heartily. This laughter was ear-piercing and shaked the roof tiles of the pavilion.
    Suddenly the roof cracked open and something fel down. Everyone was surprised at this and even Wei TianWang was even more surprised. He used his internal strength to make a laughing sound to tremble the tiles. But actually there was no tone of pleasure in his laughter. When he saw the roof cracking open he thought that without his own knowledge he reached a higher level in his cultivation of internal energy.
    When he looked at that "thing" that dropped down he was shocked to see a man in a white robe holding a zither. He was just lying there, closing his eyes.
    Guo Xiang was pleased to see him and said:"You're here too." This man was the man she met earlier.
    The man jumped up when he heard Guo Xiang talking to him and said:"Miss, I was looking for you. I didn't know you were here."
    Guo Xiang said:"Why are you looking for me?" That man said:"I forgot to ask you something, namely [ Miss, may I ask what your name is?]."
    Guo Xiang said:"How very formal, I can't stand that genteel and mournful way of talking." That man was stunned for a moment and laughed:"You're right, you're right. Those that cling on to mere conventionalities and put on airs have no real abilities. Those men are only fit to fool ignorant peasants." after saying that he looked at Wei TianWang and scoffed.
    Guo Xiang was very happy and thought this man was helping her.
    Wei TianWang stared at him and his face became even more white and coldly asked:"May I know your name, Sir?"
    That man ignored him and asked:"Miss, what's your name?"
    Guo Xiang said:"My name is Guo Xiang."
    That man clapped his hand and said:"Forgive me for not recognizing you, you're the famous Miss Guo. Your father is the great hero Master Guo Jing and your mother is the famous heroine Master Huang Rong. With the exception for ignorant peasants and idiots everyone in the realm of martial arts knows them. The 2 of them are well-versed in both literary and martial arts, and are well-versed in sabre, swords, spears, halberds. Also renowned for their palm, fist techniques, internal energy, zither, chess, caligraphy, art, composing poems and songs. But there are clearly some foolish people who have never heard of them before."
    Guo Xiang was quite amused and thought:"You're were listining at our conversation on the roof. It seems that you don't know my parents are. And my father being well-versed in literary fields is even more hilarious." She laughed and said:"Well, what's your name?"
    The man answered:"My name is He ZuDao." Guo Xiang smiled and said:"He ZuDao! He Zu Dao Zai ('not worth mentioning')? A very modest name."
    He ZuDao said:"Compared to Tian ('heaven') something or Di ('earth') something these arrogant bragging, overweening ignoramuses, my name isn't that appalling."
    He ZuDao keeps mocking the 3 of them, they could keep their tempers under control because they knew this man wasn't an ordinary man. But He's remarks were getting even more insulting and Wei TianWang was the first to attack and raised his palm to strike He ZuDao. He ZuDao ducked his head and passed under Wei's arms. Wei TianWang felt a numbness in his left hand and saw that He seized the sword out of his hand. When Wei TianWang seized the sword, he was so swift that no one could see his movements, but He ZuDao did in a very floating and light manner.
    Wei TianWang was shocked and he used his hands as claws to try to get the sword back. He aimed for He's shoulder. He avoided that claw. Pan TianGeng and Fang TianLao leapt out of the pavilion. Wei TianWang attacked with both hands, left hand with a fist, right hand palm stances causing a 'whooshing sound.' He ZuDao avoided Wei's 7, 8 stances, Wei couldn't even touch He's clothes. With one hand holding the sword he could still avoid the attacker's violent attacks, with a small movement Wei TianWang's attacks were always in vain.
    Guo Xiang, herself was not a real martial arts expert due to her young age. However her friends and relatives are all top martial arts experts of this time so her insight is very profound on martial arts. When she saw that He ZuDao used balanced movements and very clever moves to avoid very violent attacks she knew his martial arts were of an entire different type and were very different from the martial arts found in China.
    Wei TianWang used 20 stances already and still couldn't force his opponent to fight back, so he took a deep breath and his fist techniques changed and he attacked slowly now but the force of his fists increased. Guo Xiang felt his energy and stepped out of the pavilion.
    At this point He ZuDao didn't dare just to avoid these attacks and hung the sword at his belt and stood still and yelled:"You're not the only one skilled in tough martial arts." When Wei's 2 palms reached him He used his left hand to respond at this attack. Tough against tough, the 3 palms made a 'bamming' sound. Wei's body shook and he took 2 paces back. He ZuDao stood still.
    Wei TianWang always believed that this skill of his was unequalled in the realm. But today he was unable to win and he himself was pushed back 2 paces. He wasn't ready to give up and took a deep breath and yelled out both palms pushed forward. He ZuDao yelled out too and returned a palm, shaking the broken roof.
    Wei TianWang backed 4 paces, before he could stand still again. After 2 times of palm to palm attacks his hair was messy and he had bug-eyes now looking very eerie. He put his hands around his public region and took a few breaths causing his chest to swell up again. All his joints made a funny cracking sound and he walked towards He ZuDao.
    He ZuDao didn't dare to be inattentive and readied himself to encounter him.
    Wei TianWang kept walking towards He and walked so close that they could feel each other's breath. At this point one of Wei's palms aimed for He's face the other palm aimed for the lower abdomen. With this attack he hoped to divide the opponents's energy. This stance was very violent and fierce.
    He ZuDao used his both palms to meet up with Wei's palms. He divided his energy into 2 sorts Ying and Yang. Wei felt that the palm that aimed for his face was empty and hollow, the other palm felt it hit an iron brick wall. Wei TianWang knew this wasn't good and he felt an enormous energy coming towards him and pushing him out of the pavilion.
    This sort of tough attacks, the weaker one will be injured and there was no way to avoid that. No matter whether Wei TianWang could stand still or fall down. His own energy was reflected back and He ZuDao's energy was added to it. Wei was surely to cough up blood. Pan TianGeng and Fang TianLao both yelled:"Now!" Both jumped up and grapped Wei's arms and picked him up, and helped him avoid the enormous blow. Although Wei TianWang wasn't injured, his 5 internal organs felt like it was turned upside-down and all his joints seemed to be cracked. He couldn't breathe easily now anmd was panting.
    Fang TianLao was angry and surprised to see his third martial arts brother wounded but remained smiling and said:"Your palm techniques are indeed very powerful, and are hardly equalled in the realm. My respects."
    Guo Xiang thought:"When it comes to powerful palm techniques who can match my father's 18 Dragon-Subdueing Palms.
    You, The 3 Saints of KunLun are just too ignorant. One of these days you'll meet a true hero of the central plains."
    When she thought of this, she felt grieved again. Because she wished that the hero they would meet was Yang Guo and not her father Guo Jing.
    Fang TianLao said:"This unworthy old man wants to try your swordsmanship."
    He ZuDao said:"Brother Fang was very friendly towards Miss Guo. I don't blame you for anything and we needn't battle."
    Guo Xiang was surprised and thought:"The reason why you taught Wei TianWang a lesson was that he was very rude to me?"
    So huge, so hopeless, to conceive
    As these that twice befell
    Parting is all we know of heaven
    And all we need of hell.

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    Very Good Athena! I really love reading your translation of the first 2 chapters about Guo Xiang. YOu are doing and excellent job! <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> .But I was really confused while reading your translation. I have some questions:

    Did she really look for YG for 20 years?? Wasn't he in the tomb?She could have just gone there to see him. But then I heard that he wasn't there during the time that she came to search for him that area.Where was he and Xiao long nu if they weren't in the tomb?Was she really in LOVE with YG? Aren't her parents protective of her? Why would they let her go off by herself for that long? Wouldn't they demand her to come home?Isn't she a filial daughter? I thought it was really ironic that her parents and family would die when XY fell and she wasn't even there with them. Wouldn't she hear about it and come back to fight and die with them? Isn't YG really fond of GX? Even though he only treated her like a little sister, why didn't he ever come back to visit her and her family ever since he left with Xiao Long Nu? Did Zhang Jun Bao ever like Guo Xiang? I felt like he sort of did while reading Athena's translations. Sorry so many questions, but I was really confused reading your translation of the first 2 chapters. Thanks!
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    I think that GX really had a deep impression on YG. <IMG SRC="smilies/love.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/inlove.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/luv.gif" border="0">

    Seems sad that she would fall in love with him that deep. <IMG SRC="smilies/crying.gif" border="0">

    But without YG, maybe there would be no Emei or wudang. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
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    Thanks Trinie!
    I'll try to answer your questions.

    1) Yes, I think she looked for Yang Guo on
    and of. Sometimes returning to XiangYang.

    2) At this point Yang Guo and Xiao LongNu weren't not in the tomb. The whereabouts are unknown.

    3) Guo Xiang was deeply in love with Yang Guo. But she never really wanted him for herself. Her love for him was an unselfish love. She only wanted to hear some news of him.

    4) I think at least Huang Rong knew what her daughter was thinking. And also knew nothing she said would help ease her daughter and perhaps Huang Rong thought that travelling and time could heal Guo Xiang's pain. Both Guo Jing and Huang Rong wanted the best for their children but sometimes you have to let them go free and find their own roads. And perhaps Guo and Huang gave her that freedom.

    5) I think Guo Xiang and her brother Guo PoLu were intrusted the secrets of the Heavenly Sword and Dragon Sabre. Perhaps Guo Jing and Huang Rong asked them to protect this secret and wait till the right moment to rebel against the Mongolians. Unfortunately Guo PoLu died during the invasion of XiangYang.

    6) I think Yang Guo and Xiao LongNu wanted to spend some time alone after being separated for so many years. He didn't even know that Guo Xiang was in love with him, he only regarded her as a little sister.

    7) Zhang JunBao/Zhang SanFeng was in love with Guo Xiang. Even when he became a taoist priest he sometimes thought of Guo Xiang and sighed. He even kept her gift (the little iron Arhat statues) in his Taoist robe when he was over a hundred years old.
    Even He ZuDao was enchanted by Guo Xiang's beauty and personality.

    I hope I have answered your questions. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">
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    Why didn't Kowk Jing use the war strategy earlier?
    Cause that would have been a higher advantage for the Hans.

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    Note: I will translate the lyrics of the song that He ZuDao composed for Guo Xiang another time. It takes a lot of time to decipher and find the right translation for it. I hope you'll understand it. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

    Fang TianLao drew his sword and used a finger to tick the tip of his sword. The sword made a humming sound. When Fang drew his sword, his smile disappeared. The sword pointed into the sky and this stance was called "An Immortal giving directions."
    He ZuDao said:"If brother Fang really wants to battle I'll use the short sword of Miss Guo." He drew the broken sword, the sword originally was very short and after Wei TianWang broke it was even shorter. Furthermore the tip was gone now and it didn't even resemble a dagger.
    He ZuDao held the scabbard in his left hand and thrusted the sword forward.
    This was a very fast manoeuvre, Fang TianLao saw a white flash and already He ZuDao attacked with 3 stances, because the sword He used was too short he couldn't wound Fang TianLao. But Fang was still frightened and thought:"Very fast 3 stances, most difficult to block. What kind of swordsmanship does he use? If he used an ordinary long sword I would be dead by now."
    After He ZuDao attacked with 3 stances and backed away and stood still. Fang TianLao displayed his sword techniques and half defending and half attacking. He ZuDao avoided the attacks and didn't counter attack. Suddenly he attacked with incredible speed again forcing Fang TianLao to be in a frantic rush. And He ZuDao jumped back again. Fang TianLao
    displayed his sword into a white light, and his movements were very swift.
    Guo Xiang thought:"This old man's techniques are violent, fierce, ruthless and viscious. Similar to the palm techniques of Wei TianWang, but he's swifter and makes him more lethal......"
    When she thought of here, she heard He ZuDao yell out:"Be careful!" After saying 'careful' his scabbard in his left hand was quick as lightning and encased Fangs' sword and his right hand sword pointed at the throat of Fang TianLao.
    Fang TianLaos' sword was stuck in the scabbard and couldn't be used to block that stance. Seeing that sword was about to thrust through his throat, he let go of his sword and rolled away on the ground and avoided that lethal blow. Before Fang got up, Pan TianGeng seized the hilt of the sword and pulled it out of the scabbard. Both Guo Xiang and He ZuDao exclaimed:"Excellent movement!" This sickly looking old man didn't say a word, but it was evident his martial arts were above his two younger martial arts brothers.
    He ZuDao said:"Sir, you have very good martial arts. My respects." He ZuDao turned his head to Guo Xiang and said:"Miss Guo, after hearing your enchanting performance earlier, I've composed another song. And I would like you to give me your opinion."
    Guo Xiang asked:"What kind of song is it?" He ZuDao sat on the ground and started to prepare his zither.
    Pan TianGeng said:"You've defeated my two martial arts brothers. I would like to compete with you."
    He ZuDao shook his hands and said:"I have already competed and had no pleasure in it. I want to play a song for Miss Guo now. It's a new song, if you're interested you can stay and listen if you don't understand you're welcome to leave." And started playing the zither.
    Guo Xiang was amazed and pleased. Somehow He ZuDao composed this new song from the song she played earlier. Making it even more brilliant and interesting. The music was very mesmerizing.

    The actual translation will have to wait for some time, or someone else already knows the translation. He/she is welcome to do that part. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

    At one point of this song, He ZuDao mentioned a "she" in his lyrics, Guo Xiang thought:"The "she" in his song, could it be me? The music was very touching, moving and was filled with admiration and love."
    Realising that Guo Xiang blushed. Never in her life did she even hear such beautiful music.
    Pan TianGeng and others didn't understand any of this. They don't know that He ZuDao was a rather arrogant man with a flair of a silly bookworm behaviour.
    After composing a new song he rushed over to play it for Guo Xiang. Furthermore he composed it for her and he forgot everything else. But seeing him like this, Pan and the others thought he was looking down upon them and couldn't restrain their anger anymore.
    Pan pointed the sword at He ZuDaos' shoulder and yelled:"Stand up, I want to battle you."
    He ZuDao was entirely in the music and thought himself to be an arrogant scholar that was roaming about to enjoy the scenery. He vaguely saw a very gentle young girl standing on a small island. No matter what stood in his way he had to reach her......
    Suddenly he felt a pain in his shoulder and raised his head to see Pan TianGeng pointing a sword against his shoulder and penetrating a bit of skin. He knew that if he didn't fight Pan would surely wound him. However he didn't finish his song yet and felt that these Philistines were preventing him from finishing his song to Guo Xiang.
    So huge, so hopeless, to conceive
    As these that twice befell
    Parting is all we know of heaven
    And all we need of hell.

    Emily Dickinson (1830-1886)

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    Guo Jing was just a hero guarding the city of XiangYang. He had not saying over the war situation with the Mongolians. He wasn't a general, supreme field marshall, prime-minister of the Song dynasty. The Song empire pay hardly any attention to the training of the soldiers and had no strength to reclaim the lost territories.
    The Song empire was in a postion of only defending and was not capable of attacking. The Song dynasty was counting his days.
    Even Guo Jing knew that XiangYang will be soon be lost and even the Song dynasty will go down soon. I think he hoped that someone could use the war strategy of Yue Fei one day to reclaim and establish a new strong dynasty with Han Chinese not being oppressed by other people. Like for the last hundred years.
    So huge, so hopeless, to conceive
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    Parting is all we know of heaven
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    Oh i see.
    How about Wong Werk Si?
    He had controll of the Song soldiers at the end of ROCH.
    Somebody still couldve got some backup for Xiangyang.

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    One of the reasons why the soldiers listened to Huang YaoShi was that his was the father-in-law of Guo Jing. And all the soldiers were willing to die for Guo Jing and to save his daughter, Guo Xiang. The back-up was the feeble Song army, so I think all hope was gone for the Song dynasty.
    So huge, so hopeless, to conceive
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    Parting is all we know of heaven
    And all we need of hell.

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    Hi Athena! THANKS SO MUCH for answering my questions. I am more clear about things now. GREAT translation too <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> . I wish my Chinese was good enough so I can help you. I have tried to translate poems before and gosh are they hard. Thanks for your kindness and hard work! We all appreciate it!! <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">
    Respect other people's opinions and views. If we learn how to do that than all of these fights and arguments will not occur.

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    Hi Athena,

    This story is getting more interesting. I never heard of the character He Zu Dao before. He seems to be more refine and powerful than many people-----a younger version of Wu Ya Zi, but less you rou gua duan (indecisive). He is certainly more refine and suave the YG or GJ.

    Too bad he is not lucky enough to learn Jiu Yin or Bei Ming.

    Excellent translation. By the way, pardon my ignorance, what is Philistines??

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