Gwok Jing + Cheun Jen 6 Disciples vs. Wong Yerk See revisited

[Ken Cheng]

At the Battle of Yin Yu Restaurant in LEGEND OF THE CONDOR HEROES, East Heretic Wong Yerk See was able to break the Cheun Jen 6 Disciples' Big Dipper 7 Stars Formation because third-generation Cheun Jen Sect disciple Wan Tze Ping was simply not skilled or powerful enough to replace the slain second-generation disciple Tam Chui Deun in the formation. After Wan was injured and taken out of the battle by Wong Yerk See, however, he was replaced by the much more powerful Gwok Jing, who was at that point far stronger than even any of the individual second-generation Cheun Jen Sect Disciples. With Gwok Jing as the North Star of the formation, the tide began turning against Wong Yerk See, but the battle was interrupted by Prince Yeun Nan Hung Lit's Jin soldiers before it could reach its natural conclusion. If the Jin soldiers had not intervened, however, how would that battle have ended? Could Wong Yerk See have turned the tide back in his favor against Gwok Jing and the Cheun Jen 6 Disciples, or would they have overwhelmed him?

[Athena]

According to the novel, Guo Jing + the Six Masters of Quanzhen had him trapped in the formation.
When Yin Zhiping was tossed aside by Huang, the formation was about to be broken. At that point Guo Jing intervened, thus Quanzhen was gaining the upper hand in the battle, after 50 odd stances Huang Yaoshi was having difficulty to counter attack.
At this point there was another small interruption, Huang Rong coming along etc. etc.
Anyhow the fight continued, the novel stated that even though Huang Yaoshi had help from his daughter he was unable to cope with the Big Dipper Formation. Fortunately for him the Six Masters of Quanzhen did not attack aggressively, so he was able to hold on for some time.

Another note, the novel also stated that if Tan Chuduan was alive, Huang Yaoshi would not able to break the formation in the first place. Yin Zhiping really was the only weak link in this splendid formation, but the weak link would not have existed if Tan Chuduan was alive and kicking.

[Temujin]

The QuanZhen's Big Dipper Formation has been said to be equal a great, and if executed flawlessly can overwhelm a Great.

I'm quite sure (at least I get the impression) that the formation, if executed by its original 7 members should be able to hold up any Greats, with the exception of GJ, YG, ZBT, and maybe WYC since he invented it.

But then again, The surviving Greats in ROCH are at different levels than the Greats in LOCH, they have improved tremendously. Even H7Q and AYF were much better than they were at the end of LOCH.

[Tazzy1972]

given that ROCH happened quite a long time after LOCH, the Greats would have used that time to improve their skills dramatically, especially as there was relative peace with no major wars