LHC always attacked, never defended?

[rabadi]

That is not the case against DFBB's needles, though, which are much, much shorter than LHC's sword. Of course one can argue that against DFBB, even if LHC had defending moves, they may not matter much. But still, IMHO DG9J would be more complete if it had defending moves. Besides, my point is on his opponents being suicidal, not on LHC being suicidal. Other than:

Tell me about it. I just thought that if his opponents were suicidal too, it would be not too good for him in the long term.

I don't think I directly stated that LHC was suicidal. Okay, fair is fair, the word too was incorrect there.

[SkineePanda]

I think Feng Qingyang once said to LHC that Dugu 9 Swords is all attacking and no defense because once you're on the attack, your opponent will defend so there would be no reason to defend yourself since your enemy has no choice but to defend from your attacks. Like what Bliss said. FQY also said that if Dugu Qiubai was ever forced to defend himself from a move, he would've been extremely happy and "laugh to the heavens" or something like that.

[rabadi]

Someone mentioned in this forum before that DGQB was a great theorist, and okay I can subscribe to that, no problem. Whether he was a great fighter, however, is another thing altogether since Jin Yong never wrote an independent story on him.

[bliss]

Someone mentioned in this forum before that DGQB was a great theorist, and okay I can subscribe to that, no problem. Whether he was a great fighter, however, is another thing altogether since Jin Yong never wrote an independent story on him.

Well, given the competition in his time period, no one could even make DGQB defend so no need to question whether he was a great fighter or not. unless he was such a great rhetorician that his theories made his opponents drop their swords and run away. no need to defend then.

[rabadi]

Well, given the competition in his time period, no one could even make DGQB defend so no need to question whether he was a great fighter or not. unless he was such a great rhetorician that his theories made his opponents drop their swords and run away. no need to defend then.

The story about how great he was, unfortunately, was based on his own message YG found

No matter what, there should be at least two groups, one that thinks DGQB was a great fighter and a great theorist, another that thinks DGQB was a fraud. Okay, maybe there is a third group that thinks he was okay, so-so.

[bliss]

The story about how great he was, unfortunately, was based on his own message YG found

No matter what, there should be at least two groups, one that thinks DGQB was a great fighter and a great theorist, another that thinks DGQB was a fraud. Okay, maybe there is a third group that thinks he was okay, so-so.

hmmm i don't know ... if we're going to start doubting things like his ... we have to at least put some sort of faith into epitaphs hehe.

[rabadi]

There are already a few threads on that topic in the past actually. Hold on, let me do a search and post the links later on.

The search function is really getting worse lately

Edit: I just found these two:

Greatness of Dugu

Do you believe Dook Goo Kau Bai's claims of invincibility?

There should be a few more, IIRC. For what it's worth, in the past I also think DGQB was a great martial artist (I think I used the words martial artist, not fighter, in the past), until someone (I don't remember who) posted that theory about DGQB was a great theorist instead, and since then I had a chance of heart

Edit: found another:

How strong is DGQB?

This one is not too related, but just in case you are interested, I didn't even remember I started this one

LDA vs DG9J

There should be one thread, I think it was a poll, about whether DGQB was arrogant or modest. I can't find it, perhaps it was purged already.

[Han Solo]

While whatever that DGKB claims as being unchallenged at all seems too remarkable and much like a boast rather than a statement, we do know that he is at least as strong, if not stronger than the average great in the condor trilogy.

Consider the episodes where DGKB was mentioned in ROCH, and u will also come into the same conclusions.

For example, his inner strength and lightness kungfu is better than YG before and post the 16 years period. Whatever that YG first accomplished, DGKB did it before, and did it better.

Plus, if u believe his claim, which i tend to, he mastered the ability of having a sword without having a sword, and to use a wooden sword, which YG was not able to totally master. This tend to imply that either DGKB's inner power was greater than YG or his techniques were or both.

If u agree that YG was at the least was top 3 in the condor trilogy, within striking distance of the top; then shouldn't it be likely that DGKB was greater than the condor guys?

[duguxiaojing]

While whatever that DGKB claims as being unchallenged at all seems too remarkable and much like a boast rather than a statement, we do know that he is at least as strong, if not stronger than the average great in the condor trilogy.

Yep the condor cannot create inner power cultivation techniques he cannot mimmick what he has seen and you need a high level of inner power to beat back ocean waves and rocks in river.

For example, his inner strength and lightness kungfu is better than YG before and post the 16 years period. Whatever that YG first accomplished, DGKB did it before, and did it better.

You mean in terms of age? IIRC Dugu used iron sword after the age of 30 while yg was 20. YG started south seat training at 21 dugu began using wooden sword/branch's bamboo sticks at age 40. We dont know if YG mastered Wooden sword stage but he had reached the limits of iron sword pretty quickly. Proboally due to snake gull bladders.

[TaiHan]

This tend to imply that either DGKB's inner power was greater than YG or his techniques were or both.

I think in techniques DGQB is lightyears ahead of YG. Because in theory the "no stance overcome stance" has its limit in the Heavy Iron Sword stage, so the No sword stage should have taken it to a whole new level. It would be capable of techniques that Heavy Iron Sword couldn't preform.

[CFT]

I think DGQB was more than a 'mere' theoretician. In the martial arts you get found out very easily if you can't also 'walk the walk'. His theories must have been informed by his actual experiences.

The fact that his theories produced two excellent fighters in YG and LHC prove that his theories were sound. If people believe that YG and LHC were unbeatable in their own lifetimes then it is not so hard to push it a bit further and posit that DGQB was unbeatable in his lifetime too.

I think in terms of martial cultivation, the 9 swords is inferior to the heavy iron sword stage which in turn is inferior to the no-sword stage. Each stage is progressively removing techniques and going for simplicity and directness.

Likely the no-sword stage is split into 'no sword in hand, sword in heart' and 'no sword in hand, no sword in heart' levels. Was there such a distinction on the inscription in the sword tomb?

[TaiHan]

Each stage is progressively removing techniques and going for simplicity and directness.

I wouldn't say going to simplicity, but undescriptive. As DGQB's martial art progress, his past technique fade away. His skill by than can't be described or identify as any specific styles. His skill by then can only be described as the sword art which encompass all the sword techniques in the world into his one being.

Also I don't think DG9J is inferior to Heavy Iron Sword. Both of these techniques are opposite in styles, so they can't be compared together. It is like comparing Tai Chi to XL18Z. But in away, Heavy Iron Sword is harder to master than DG9J, but this depend on the person, some person might be good at one thing but bad in another category.

[rabadi]

Han, there was no proof that DGQB's inner strength > YG's, though, other than whatever it was he wrote himself in his cave as argued in the threads mentioned above. Jin Yong needs to write a separate story on DGQB, then we can conclude

[Han Solo]

Han, there was no proof that DGQB's inner strength > YG's, though, other than whatever it was he wrote himself in his cave as argued in the threads mentioned above. Jin Yong needs to write a separate story on DGQB, then we can conclude

There are at least a couple.

The best example is how DGKB was able to reach his own wooden stage while YG aren't able to completely master it.

In terms of internal energy, this implies 2 things:
1) DGKB's internal energy is superior and deeper than YG's

or

2) The control that DGKB has on his internal energy is superior to YG's

Either way, it tends to imply a far superior internal energy of DGKB.

[rabadi]

Han, as I said, all those things are based on DGQB's own writing, which is why I kind of hope Jin Yong would write a separate story on DGQB. In the end it still comes down to whether you believe him, don't believe him, or only partially believe him.

[bliss]

i think we can't keep questioning the authenticity of DGKB's writings to that extreme. he wrote that he hung out with a condor for most of his life. if anyone else saw this, they'd call him the biggest liar ever born. however, there really WAY a giant condor buddy that existed. if such an absurd thing is true, why doubt his other claims?

[rabadi]

Somebody else in this forum already called him the biggest fraud in Jin Yong's universe in the past

[Han Solo]

Han, as I said, all those things are based on DGQB's own writing, which is why I kind of hope Jin Yong would write a separate story on DGQB. In the end it still comes down to whether you believe him, don't believe him, or only partially believe him.

Ok. I accept that.

Even if u partially believe him, he would at the very least be around the greats level.

Han solo.

[rabadi]

I do partially believe him

[kyss of the sword]

alot of people have compared dg9j to heavy sword trying to find out which is better, actually i think the skills are two halfs of one skill. o.k. lets break down heavy sword, yang guo fond four swords actually in the sword grave. sharp sword (for quickness), ziwe soft sword[missing](for flexibilty),iron sword(for heaviness),wooden sword(for sword chi). when yang guo fond the sword grave he already mastered quickness and flexibilty, he could move on to heavy sword training immediately. the level after that was using qi as your sword, meaning as long as your qi was devolped sufficently anything or even nothing can be your sword. [nothing means using your palms,fist, fingers(duan yu dgsd) or legs] .however that doesn't mean you don't use clever moves or variations, simplicity means going with the flow ,freely using your sword[ like floating clouds and flowing water, feng qingyang states of divinety]. dg9s was based on the way your oppenets move and how you can counter them using the same principle but to achive the top level you need to have devolpe great level inner energy .