Would Zhang Wuji's auto defend work against top fighters ?

[person135]

lol don't be ignorant

[CancerLuna]

He had learned new martial arts to use at Shaolin, but was it ever stated his internal increased after the sack exploded? I doubt it.

[person135]

and yet 9yang is one of the if not the best inner energy training martial arts. it's likely that his inner increased.

[timeless]

Are we forgetting the 9yang's auto-healing??

[odbayarb2000]

I believe Sweeper Monk's internal energy and its protective shield is stronger than ZWJ's. (prove me)

But XF's power blast did infect on him to the extend broking his rib. So someone, XF's caliber fighter, should seriously injure ZWJ if ZWJ not counter attacking just relying on his energy shield.

[flamer]

I believe Sweeper Monk's internal energy and its protective shield is stronger than ZWJ's. (prove me)

But XF's power blast did infect on him to the extend broking his rib. So someone, XF's caliber fighter, should seriously injure ZWJ if ZWJ not counter attacking just relying on his energy shield.

You must be forgetting when Sweeper Monk blocked BOTH XF and MRF's attacks as well as JMZ's finger jabs. There are only two reasons why SM puked blood: 1) He was using too much internal energy in tapping XYS to 'death' in one stance or 2) he allowed XF to hurt him.

[Athena]

There is one instance where Zhang Wuji's Jiuyang shield was penetrated by another energy stream during a (sort of a) fair internal power competition. It was in chapter 29 of HSDS; Wuji was facing the three emissaries of the Persian Ming Cult.
Their Glacier Needle energy was quite effective and even Wuji wondered if the internal energy battle between the four of them would continue, whether he could deal with further similar attacks.

Original text: [ 這次他已有防備，寶刀未曾脫手。但這兩下刺痛似有形，實無質，一
股寒氣突破他護體的九陽神功，直侵內臟。他知這是波斯三使一股極陰寒的內力，積貯於一
點，從聖火令上傳來，攻堅而入。本來以至陰攻至陽，未必便勝得了九陽神功。只是他的九
陽神功遍護全身，這陰勁卻是凝聚如絲發之細，倏鑽陡戳，難防難當。有如大象之力雖巨，
婦人小兒卻能以繡花小針刺入其膚。陰勁入體，立即消失，但這一刺可當真疼痛入骨。輝月
使連運兩下「透骨針」的內勁，見對方竟是毫不費力的抵擋了下來，更是駭異。妙風使雖然
空著左手，但全身勁力都已集於右臂，左手已與癱瘓無異。張無忌知道如此僵持下去，敵人
尖針一般的陰勁一下一下刺將過來，自己終將支持不住，可是實無對策。]

[odbayarb2000]

You must be forgetting when Sweeper Monk blocked BOTH XF and MRF's attacks as well as JMZ's finger jabs. There are only two reasons why SM puked blood: 1) He was using too much internal energy in tapping XYS to 'death' in one stance or 2) he allowed XF to hurt him.

So, It means SM recieved attacks from XF, MRF and JMZ at the same time while one hit KO-ing XYS. Am I right ?(I have never read the novel.)

Then I would put more weight on the first scenario.

The conclusion would be that SM will not necessarily injured by XF's solo dragon blast even if he doesn't counter attack but head on receives it?

[flamer]

So, It means SM recieved attacks from XF, MRF and JMZ at the same time while one hit KO-ing XYS. Am I right ?(I have never read the novel.)

Then I would put more weight on the first scenario.

The conclusion would be that SM will not necessarily injured by XF's solo dragon blast even if he doesn't counter attack but head on receives it?

Actually the novel went something like this. JMZ finger LDA-ed Sweeper and it just dissolved when it hit an internal energy wall. After that, Xiao Feng and MRF decided to fight and SM stood in the middle and stopped both attacks at the same time. Then after that, when tapping XYS, SM was palmed by XF and spit out blood.

The conclusion is that there is NO WAY Xiao Feng could've injured SM unless SM was diverting too much internal energy to tap XYS or allowed XF to attack him.

[person135]

if the theory that we (flamer and me) read is true, SM might just have negated MRF & XF's attacks using his north star shifting skill.

[CC]

Actually the novel went something like this. JMZ finger LDA-ed Sweeper and it just dissolved when it hit an internal energy wall. After that, Xiao Feng and MRF decided to fight and SM stood in the middle and stopped both attacks at the same time.

Thats got to be from some TV series. Didnt happen that way in the book.

[timeless]

Thats got to be from some TV series. Didnt happen that way in the book.

As a matter of fact. Sweeper monk did not fight them together. He fend off some at first but fought those who came at him fair and square one on one after that.

In the tv productions to all intents and purposes Sweeper monk was made no.1, but in the actual book, he was still defeated by Xiaofeng.

[timeless]

There is one instance where Zhang Wuji's Jiuyang shield was penetrated by another energy stream during a (sort of a) fair internal power competition. It was in chapter 29 of HSDS; Wuji was facing the three emissaries of the Persian Ming Cult.
Their Glacier Needle energy was quite effective and even Wuji wondered if the internal energy battle between the four of them would continue, whether he could deal with further similar attacks.

Original text: [ 這次他已有防備，寶刀未曾脫手。但這兩下刺痛似有形，實無質，一
股寒氣突破他護體的九陽神功，直侵內臟。他知這是波斯三使一股極陰寒的內力，積貯於一
點，從聖火令上傳來，攻堅而入。本來以至陰攻至陽，未必便勝得了九陽神功。只是他的九
陽神功遍護全身，這陰勁卻是凝聚如絲發之細，倏鑽陡戳，難防難當。有如大象之力雖巨，
婦人小兒卻能以繡花小針刺入其膚。陰勁入體，立即消失，但這一刺可當真疼痛入骨。輝月
使連運兩下「透骨針」的內勁，見對方竟是毫不費力的抵擋了下來，更是駭異。妙風使雖然
空著左手，但全身勁力都已集於右臂，左手已與癱瘓無異。張無忌知道如此僵持下去，敵人
尖針一般的陰勁一下一下刺將過來，自己終將支持不住，可是實無對策。]

In this situation, the young kid who was still a fresh johnny come lately in the martial arts of China without substantial exposure to the unpredictable arts outside the realm. The highly concentrated sharp bone piercing ying energy caught him unprepared and bear in mind that each of these emissaries were all first class fighters of Persian Ming Cult that any single one of them was more than a match for even the savagely powerful Xiexun. Together their combined Ying powers was probably like a case of 3 9ying practioners fighting one 9yang.

Ultimately the triumph still belonged to the young Zhang wuji sometime later when he uncovered the secrets skills engraved upon the Ming authority plaques. One thing about Zhangwuji and all those highest forms of martial arts he knew- a formulaic martial artist who is more rigid than flexible unless when pushed to losing that upper hand in a fight.

[CC]

but in the actual book, he was still defeated by Xiaofeng.

You what????

[flamer]

Thats got to be from some TV series. Didnt happen that way in the book.

Really? Let's see... (I must've read the same chapter 50 times now haha)

JMZ:
双手拢在衣袖之中，暗暗使用“无相劫指”，神不
知、鬼不觉的向那老僧弹去，不料指力甫及那老僧身前三尺之外，便似遇上了一层柔软之
极，却又坚硬之极的屏障，嗤嗤几声响，指力便散得无形无踪，却也并不反弹而回。鸠摩智
大吃一惊，心道：“这老僧果然有些鬼门道，并非大言唬人！”

XF vs MRF:

那老僧双手合什，说道：“陈弥陀佛，佛门善地，两位施主不可妄动无明。”
他双掌只这么一合，便似有一股力道化成一堵无形高墙，挡在萧峰和慕容复之间。萧峰
排山倒海的掌力撞在这堵墙上，登时无影无踪，消于无形。

[CC]

Really? Let's see... (I must've read the same chapter 50 times now haha)

那老僧双手合什，说道：“陈弥陀佛，佛门善地，两位施主不可妄动无明。”
他双掌只这么一合，便似有一股力道化成一堵无形高墙，挡在萧峰和慕容复之间。萧峰
排山倒海的掌力撞在这堵墙上，登时无影无踪，消于无形。

Different interpretation then. I read it as Sweeps projected a wall when he clasped his palms. Since there was no indication in the passage about him walking into the middle, and it wouldn't make sense for XF to strike at MRF when Sweeps was standing in the way. And MRF's attack came later, not at the same time.

[timeless]

Originally Posted by flamer
Really? Let's see...

那老僧双手合什，说道：“陈弥陀佛，佛门善地，两位施主不可妄动无明。”
他双掌只这么一合，便似有一股力道化成一堵无形高墙，挡在萧峰和慕容复之间。萧峰
排山倒海的掌力撞在这堵墙上，登时无影无踪，消于无形。


This is the part that probably would inspire the TV productions to make him far more larger than he actually was in writing- Sweeper monk ‘s strong display of his superior internal energy against the intruders-> to translate the description:

“the combined palms together generated a force akin to that of an invisible wall that came between them that took and dissipated the brunt of the powerful blast that came from Xf’s palm”

This paragraph proves that Sweeper monk is a first rater with extremely high internal power that LDAs just don’t work on him if he was prepared to put his high internal energies to good use.
But no matter how surprisingly superior Sweeper monk’s sudden entrance into the plotline, the real actual fighting hasn’t even started yet.

We can make a similar comparison in ROCH for Yideng’s 1yz’s power to create a similar force field to deter Golden Wheel Monk’s power. And Yideng only used one finger whereas Sweeper monk used both palms together to generate as much power as he possibly could to stop a single force blast.

[timeless]

You what????

Hope this would not stir any flames from those fans of the Sweeper monk . Any dissatisfaction with how the battle was concluded, tis best you question Mr Jin Yong to account for that turn of twist that favors his main protagonist.

[flamer]

We can make a similar comparison in ROCH for Yideng’s 1yz’s power to create a similar force field to deter Golden Wheel Monk’s power. And Yideng only used one finger whereas Sweeper monk used both palms together to generate as much power as he possibly could to stop a single force blast.

If you're not impressed with the sudden creation of internal energy wall able to block XF's attack....

Not to mention SM wasn't even directing his palms at the middle of the fight. It was clear indication of vastly superior internal energy by Sweeper Monk.

When did Yideng ever create a force field to deter GWM? I hope you don't mean the fight they had Post-16 when they were just blasting palms and fingers at each other, both of them not daring to take the blows head on.

[CancerLuna]

and yet 9yang is one of the if not the best inner energy training martial arts. it's likely that his inner increased.

Just because it's likely doesn't mean it did.

When I read the novel, it just seemed like Wuji learned new ways to use his Internal but in no way did it ever increase after he hit the "Great" wall.