Long Piao 《龙票》

[strawberry]

u have finished....how long did it take you?

[chaule]

It took me about three days to finish. I got it on Dec 31st eventhough it arrived at the post office on Dec 28th in the morning because the post office screwed up, they did not put the notice into my mail box. When I checked the status of the package using the tracking number provided by YesAsia and discovered that my order had arrived at the post office on the 28th, I went to the post office on the 29th to get it but they couldn't find it. They said it might not have came. I returned on the 30th, they still couldn't find it. Finally, on the 31st, I had to print out the delivery status reccord from their website and show it to them. It was only then that they find it. Man, I was really mad those days. I thought they have lost my package. Only after start watching the series that the fire died out.

I'm rewatching it now.

[strawberry]

you are certainly efficient...I prob take a week to finish it.

I would be happy to read any comments or rough story development
that u provide.

rewatching already? I think that's quite amazing. this is ur favourite HXM serial now?

[Aphraeleiss]

I'm in the middle of the series right now - apart from the subtitles being out of sync with the dialogue the DVD quality is quite good. Got this in China for less than US$20 I think. Anyways, I'm just curious as to why they didn't recast the child actors for Shizhen - Shiqi is born at least 5 years later seeing Shizhen could talk right from the first episode, the family tragedy last another couple years before Shiqi was born, and they're the same size in episode 16, when Shiqi is at least 3 years old, making Shizhen 9-10? I mean, children grow like weeds! The child actor is really cute, so I don't blame them, but at least use a baby for the younger kid for a longer period of time. Audiences aren't stupid you know.

Editted: They FINALLY recast in episode 19. Would it have killed them to do it earlier?

[Aphraeleiss]

I've finished watching the series and overall it's a very good story. I'm more impressed with Xiu Qing's portrayal of Duke Gong than HXM's acting to be honest. He still seems a bit raw at times and there was some ham-acting. That and the fact that his character was negligent of his wife, so I wasn't impressed by that alone. There is still some room for improvement. May contain spoilers so please do not read if you want to be surprised.

1. They never actually mentioned how old everyone was and the timeline was a bit fuzzy. Duke Gong and Princess Yulin were supposed to be really young when they first met Qi Zijun, and the timeline spanned over 15+ years. This was never apparent until the end of the show.

2. Why was the Qi family not executed even though their property was confiscated on account on such a huge crime commited? It was made out to be such a big deal and yet apart from the father and brother noone else was killed, and even that was a suicide and an accident rather than execution required by law.

3. If Qi Zijun was indeed so sad after his wife died, he'd have treated her better. He seemed to be extremely callous and unfeeling towards her, even though his character is not supposed to be so.

4. The brother's son (Shiqi) reconciled with him too easily. More than 10 years of hate and ill-treating of his mother doesn't just go away overnight. I believe he does love Qi Zijun as his father, but that was just too easy. They should've spent more time "counselling" the kid instead of just pushing a new father onto him - typical Chinese family? Not sure on that one.

5. What was the point of Princess Yulin wanting to marry him if Duke Gong wasn't going to let him off in the first place? Seems counterproductive.

6. Apparently Duke Gong is supposed to have many women (which only comes out at the last episode in 2 lines of dialogue) and they never showed him having a family - pretty sure he lives with them cos' he has time for Princess Yulin most of the time. The average age of marriage for women would be around 16-18 years - Princess Yulin must be around 30 years old at least by the time she begged the Dowager to let her marry Qi Zijun. This is highly unusual unless there were no other eligible aristocrats around. Which again is weird because she could've married any official/son of a suitable age more than 10 years ago.

- Never mind on this one - I did some research. The first meeting occured in 1850, which would've made Prince Gong (not Duke) 17 at the time he met Qi Zijun assuming they made the timeline right. The Princess would've been 14 or younger, only thing the actor/actress couldn't portray that sufficiently through no fault of their own. The Taiping revolution ended in 1868, which would make it 18 years after they met, and she'd definitely have been over 30.

7. Why wasn't Qi Zijun executed in the end? For his crimes he should've been. They showed Shizhen escorting goods to the desert like Zijun did many years ago, so I assume there was some sort of reunion up to our imaginations. Princess Yulin and Runyu may or may not have killed themselves.

Anyways, I still liked the series - a bit unexpected but the bottomline is that from the first day he met Duke Gong, he should not have thought he could escape from his station in life and be on par with the aristocrats. I think that was what Duke Gong was most unhappy about - that a supposed "servant" should aspire to be on par and not accept his fate.

[Lady Zhuge]

It's amazing how the addition of one little mustache can equal the passage of many years.

I agree that Xiu Qing did a very good job in this series. He actually looked and fit the part for once, although a more handsome actor wouldn't have killed the series either.

3. If Qi Zijun was indeed so sad after his wife died, he'd have treated her better. He seemed to be extremely callous and unfeeling towards her, even though his character is not supposed to be so.

Feeling very sad and regretful after Su Mei's death was a result of how he treated her while she was alive. His treatment of her showed that although he does have admirable qualities such as ambition and guts, Qi Zijun was by no means a perfect man. He possessed more flaws than the average prototypical protagonist.
I personally felt that Zijun's mother should never have forced to him marry Su Mei in the first place. He was totally against it for legit reasons and she didn't want to at first either. The forced marriage was the beginning of the end for the fragile Su Mei. In Zijun's mind, she was always his sister-in-law and someone he respected. Yes he had sex with her, but that did not equate to the same level of love in his mind as in hers. Zijun's true love was Runyu and the feeling was mutual.

4. The brother's son (Shiqi) reconciled with him too easily. More than 10 years of hate and ill-treating of his mother doesn't just go away overnight. I believe he does love Qi Zijun as his father, but that was just too easy. They should've spent more time "counselling" the kid instead of just pushing a new father onto him - typical Chinese family? Not sure on that one.

I agree. It's just not right to make a kid accept the fact that a guy he's addressed as his uncle has suddenly become his father overnight. Zijun was pretty patient with Shizhen, but Shiqi was such a bully. I mean, having to deal with that on top of his real father having just died and all. But then again, and repeating myself, I don't think Su Mei should have married Zijun in the first place. I've always liked Shizhen. He was such a nice boy and the apprenticeship really helped him to grow into a decent young man.

5. What was the point of Princess Yulin wanting to marry him if Duke Gong wasn't going to let him off in the first place? Seems counterproductive.

She probably didn't know that her bro wasn't going to let Zijun off in the end. On top of truly being in love with Zijun, she naively hoped that he would be safe if he married her because her brother would "let him off" on account of his relationship with her.
Throughout most of the series, it seemed like Duke Gong was more of Yulin's father than brother.

7. Why wasn't Qi Zijun executed in the end? For his crimes he should've been. They showed Shizhen escorting goods to the desert like Zijun did many years ago, so I assume there was some sort of reunion up to our imaginations.

Yeah, I was wondering where they were taking Zijun at the end. He was as good as dead, though.

[Aphraeleiss]

Damn, I just realized I got the names wrong - the older son is Shizhen and the younger boy is Shiqi (really irritating when he was young).

It's one of the smarter series made nowadays. Really liked this one. Xiu Qing was so sorely miscast as Ouyang Ke in LOCH2002 and Murong Fu in DGSD 2003 ... I think he suits more serious roles, not sex-crazed pervs or unscrupulous down-fallen aristocrats. The Qing hairstyle suits his facial structure better - his face is too wide to have hair sticking down the sides as for the roles where he plays Han Chinese. Can definitely do with some acid peels for his acne scars though.

[Lady Zhuge]

Damn, I just realized I got the names wrong - the older son is Shizhen and the younger boy is Shiqi (really irritating when he was young).

Frankly, I forgot which brother was which as well and just went with the names you provided. At least you caught it, though. I just went back and fixed my previous post.

[chaule]

1. They never actually mentioned how old everyone was and the timeline was a bit fuzzy. Duke Gong and Princess Yulin were supposed to be really young when they first met Qi Zijun, and the timeline spanned over 15+ years. This was never apparent until the end of the show.

Yes, they should have identify the timeline better. Not only the timeline, there are also other places where the plots are unclear. For examples: 1. They never mention Su Mei got pregnant. They seems to expect us, the audiences to notice her stomach got bigger by ourselves. 2. They never mention why and how did the relationship between Qi Zi Jun and his father in law turned bad to the level that Kwan Jin Ru doesn’t even want QZJ’s name mention and QZJ also knows that his parent in law dislike him very much. Eventhough I already know it by reading the reviews of others who read the book, I was still caught offguard when it happen. It seems to be too abrupt.

2. Why was the Qi family not executed even though their property was confiscated on account on such a huge crime commited? It was made out to be such a big deal and yet apart from the father and brother noone else was killed, and even that was a suicide and an accident rather than execution required by law.

First of all, I think the reason probably was because Duke Rui and Huang Yu Kun handled the case not according to the law. They were chasing after the record books. At first, they want to force Qi Buo Jun to handover the record books. After he suicided, they were hoping that the Qi family will eventually led them to the books. Secondary, I think their crime was not necessarily the crime which will result in death penalty for the whole family. Qi Buo Jun said that he’s as good as death. The most important is to preserve the records so that their family can have a chance to recover. So it’s obvious that the death penalty was suppose to be for him alone.

3.If Qi Zijun was indeed so sad after his wife died, he'd have treated her better. He seemed to be extremely callous and unfeeling towards her, even though his character is not supposed to be so.

Here I think it was completely normal. Most people only realize their mistakes after it was too late. Therefore, QZJ only realize how much he wronged her after her death. It’s completely understandable.

Feeling very sad and regretful after Su Mei's death was a result of how he treated her while she was alive. His treatment of her showed that although he does have admirable qualities such as ambition and guts, Qi Zijun was by no means a perfect man. He possessed more flaws than the average prototypical protagonist.
I personally felt that Zijun's mother should never have forced to him marry Su Mei in the first place. He was totally against it for legit reasons and she didn't want to at first either. The forced marriage was the beginning of the end for the fragile Su Mei. In Zijun's mind, she was always his sister-in-law and someone he respected. Yes he had sex with her, but that did not equate to the same level of love in his mind as in hers. Zijun's true love was Runyu and the feeling was mutual.

I absolutely agree with you here. Qi Zi Jun’s flaws are what make his character more realistic.

4.The brother's son (Shizhen) reconciled with him too easily. More than 10 years of hate and ill-treating of his mother doesn't just go away overnight. I believe he does love Qi Zijun as his father, but that was just too easy.

I actually approve of the way the matter resolved. That proved the son to be a reasonable and considerate person. After listening to what QZJ said, he should have been able to understand how much pain his mother’s death had caused his father. That alone already punished him enough. What I don’t like the most are people who kept on using the pain of others against themselves. Shizhen’s reaction only made me like him even more.

5. What was the point of Princess Yulin wanting to marry him if Duke Gong wasn't going to let him off in the first place? Seems counterproductive.

Well, it should have worked and at least buy QZJ sometimes before he made the wrong move himself. So he brought it on himself. If he actually married Yu Lin, things might work out. We will never know.

6.Apparently Duke Gong is supposed to have many women (which only comes out at the last episode in 2 lines of dialogue) and they never showed him having a family - pretty sure he lives with them cos' he has time for Princess Yulin most of the time.

Well, Duke Gong’s private life has nothing to do with the story’s progress. Him having many women is just common sense. This story concentrates on Qi Zi Jun’s life. Therefore, it should just show the people he encounters.

7.Why wasn't Qi Zijun executed in the end? For his crimes he should've been. They showed Shizhen escorting goods to the desert like Zijun did many years ago, so I assume there was some sort of reunion up to our imaginations. Princess Yulin and Runyu may or may not have killed themselves.

I think there’s no way that Duke Gong gonna let QZJ live. Don’t know if anyone notice, but there were two guards holding the execution blades walking just behind QZJ. Therefore I believe he was being escort to be executed. The scene where they show Shi Zhen escorting goods was to let the audiences know what happen to Shi Zhen after his death, I think. And as of Yu Lin and Run Yu, I don’t think they will kill themselves at all. I don’t think there’s any indication that they even attempt to suicide. Run Yu just disappear after his death, there’s no meaning for her staying there anymore. As of Yu Lin, I think she’s gonna just be like Duke Gong said, will be heartbroken and sad all her life.

I agree that Xiu Qing did a very good job in this series. He actually looked and fit the part for once

Yes indeed. He’s great in here. I enjoyed both his and HXM scenes the most. Especially when they were on screen together. Probably he just need a good director who can let him display his skills.

Throughout most of the series, it seemed like Duke Gong was more of Yulin's father than brother.

Well, “Zhang Xiong Wei Fu”.

After watching this series, it actually became my favorite of Jiao Zhu's works. I defenitely rate this series with an "A". I even wanted to read the novel itself. I think I'm gonna buy the novel too as soon as I can get enough merchandises in my shopping cart from YesAsia.

[relive]

Could anyone tell me about Jiang Xin's character in Long Piao?
Who is she in Long Piao?
Is she the main character?

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[Lady Zhuge]

Jiang Xin plays one of the four women involved with the main character played by Huang Xiao Ming. She's a member of the Tai Ping rebellion, is very intelligent, and knows English. She's more of a supporting character than a main character. In case you're wondering, no she doesn't end up with HXM, but she doesn't die or have a tragic end either.

[Aphraeleiss]

Well, she was *supposed* to know English but the dubbing was so bad ... I couldn't make out half of what she was trying to say without looking at the Chinese subtitles. Although the guy already told her what to say so I already knew what it was supposed to be.

[relive]

Jiang Xin plays one of the four women involved with the main character played by Huang Xiao Ming. She's a member of the Tai Ping rebellion, is very intelligent, and knows English. She's more of a supporting character than a main character. In case you're wondering, no she doesn't end up with HXM, but she doesn't die or have a tragic end either.

Thanks a lot for you reply.

I really like Jiang Xin in Long Piao, she is very gorgeous in those costumes.

[chaule]

Exactly the point. Don't know if it's her real voice or not, but the translator's English was so much better. I had no problem understanding the guy. To be honest, not only her English was bad (eventhough her's was the worst of all), there are several others whose English were not good either, like the father in the Church, and the British captain (during the European occupation of Beijing). Their English weren't sound too good either.

[Lady Zhuge]

No problem, relive.

Yes, her character was supposed to be good at English since she was schooled in England, but the bad dubbing made it seem otherwise. In any case, her character understood a lot more English than most people during that time period in China.

[strawberry]

I just started watching this series and am at episode 8 now. I really agree that Zijun's mom should not have forced the marriage bet sumei and him. Its just not right like you are not faithful to your husband by marrying his brother and havinga sexual relationship with him.

Did Sumei agree partly also because she has grown to have some feelings for her brother-in law (beside the filial piety thing)? and why did Zi Jun agree? I think it seems he does not want to upset his mother.

and Zijun and Runyu's feelings for each other seemed to develop too quickly to me?

I think the actresses who portrayed the lin Ge Ge and Sumei are pretty. Is Zijun a casonova ? he seems to have a weakness for the opposite sex so far.

and to add that, I initially had so much respect for Zijun's mother, I felt she was so dignified and humble to hold the family togther, but I kind of lost respect for her after she insisted that Zi jun marry his sister-in law.

[Li Nhi]

Can anyone tell me what's the Vietnamese title to this series is? It sounds so interesting! I would love to watch this series and listen to the haunting song that everyone's talking about.

[strawberry]

I've finished watching the series and overall it's a very good story. I'm more impressed with Xiu Qing's portrayal of Duke Gong than HXM's acting to be honest. He still seems a bit raw at times and there was some ham-acting. That and the fact that his character was negligent of his wife, so I wasn't impressed by that alone. There is still some room for improvement. May contain spoilers so please do not read if you want to be surprised.

1. They never actually mentioned how old everyone was and the timeline was a bit fuzzy. Duke Gong and Princess Yulin were supposed to be really young when they first met Qi Zijun, and the timeline spanned over 15+ years. This was never apparent until the end of the show.

2. Why was the Qi family not executed even though their property was confiscated on account on such a huge crime commited? It was made out to be such a big deal and yet apart from the father and brother noone else was killed, and even that was a suicide and an accident rather than execution required by law.

3. If Qi Zijun was indeed so sad after his wife died, he'd have treated her better. He seemed to be extremely callous and unfeeling towards her, even though his character is not supposed to be so.

4. The brother's son (Shiqi) reconciled with him too easily. More than 10 years of hate and ill-treating of his mother doesn't just go away overnight. I believe he does love Qi Zijun as his father, but that was just too easy. They should've spent more time "counselling" the kid instead of just pushing a new father onto him - typical Chinese family? Not sure on that one.

5. What was the point of Princess Yulin wanting to marry him if Duke Gong wasn't going to let him off in the first place? Seems counterproductive.

6. Apparently Duke Gong is supposed to have many women (which only comes out at the last episode in 2 lines of dialogue) and they never showed him having a family - pretty sure he lives with them cos' he has time for Princess Yulin most of the time. The average age of marriage for women would be around 16-18 years - Princess Yulin must be around 30 years old at least by the time she begged the Dowager to let her marry Qi Zijun. This is highly unusual unless there were no other eligible aristocrats around. Which again is weird because she could've married any official/son of a suitable age more than 10 years ago.

- Never mind on this one - I did some research. The first meeting occured in 1850, which would've made Prince Gong (not Duke) 17 at the time he met Qi Zijun assuming they made the timeline right. The Princess would've been 14 or younger, only thing the actor/actress couldn't portray that sufficiently through no fault of their own. The Taiping revolution ended in 1868, which would make it 18 years after they met, and she'd definitely have been over 30.

7. Why wasn't Qi Zijun executed in the end? For his crimes he should've been. They showed Shizhen escorting goods to the desert like Zijun did many years ago, so I assume there was some sort of reunion up to our imaginations. Princess Yulin and Runyu may or may not have killed themselves.

Anyways, I still liked the series - a bit unexpected but the bottomline is that from the first day he met Duke Gong, he should not have thought he could escape from his station in life and be on par with the aristocrats. I think that was what Duke Gong was most unhappy about - that a supposed "servant" should aspire to be on par and not accept his fate.

I agree that HXM's acting is still raw at times and i was also more impressed with Xiu qing's portrayal. There were instances when I found him overacting.Actually, I hald expected him to do as well or surpass his past works but I am kind of disappointed so far. btw, I am at episode 12. Maybe I ought to lower my expectations. after all, he's also human and it might be too much to expect him to keep improving in each subsequent serial. i am sure he put in his best then though and that's commendable itself.

btw, HXM is so fair here...was he as fair in Da han Tian zi? I don't remember that to be so, right?

Li Nih - sorry, I do not know the vietnamese title of this show. maybe Chaule will be able to help you out.

[chaule]

Can anyone tell me what's the Vietnamese title to this series is? It sounds so interesting! I would love to watch this series and listen to the haunting song that everyone's talking about.

The tittle is Long Phieu. I don't know will it be ever dubb in Vietnamese. I want my aunt to see this series very much as well, but no luck so far. I hate the dubbing company very very much.

Here's the MV of both theme and subtheme songs of the series.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7XMO2SZI
Also, another place to d/l the same file just in case the other one has trouble.
http://s11.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3...K184KNMJDKJ7BT

The theme song's tittle is "Zheng Duo - Tranh Doat", and the sub theme song's tittle is "Yue Se Ru Shang - Nguyet Sac Nhu Thuong".

[Li Nhi]

The tittle is Long Phieu. I don't know will it be ever dubb in Vietnamese. I want my aunt to see this series very much as well, but no luck so far. I hate the dubbing company very very much.

Here's the MV of both theme and subtheme songs of the series.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7XMO2SZI
Also, another place to d/l the same file just in case the other one has trouble.
http://s11.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3...K184KNMJDKJ7BT

The theme song's tittle is "Zheng Duo - Tranh Doat", and the sub theme song's tittle is "Yue Se Ru Shuang - Nguyet Sac Nhu Thuong".

Thanks for the mv's chau!!! I hate the company too. So how did you watch it? You just watched the Chinese version w/subtitles instead?

The mv's great. I want to watch it now.

I saw in there, Tan Lam who played Tri Hoa, correct? If anybody knows what i'm talking about. She's Leo Ku's second wife in HZGG III.