[LiYuanZhi]

the second one is good... but it's very different. I saw the second first... so i'll probably have different opinions than you guys.

In that one, Qiu Chan has a different actress (don't remember name) She's very different to the first Qiu Chan, being more serious and clever. I like her better but some of you might not be used to her.

Anyway... in that one, Qiu Chan ends up with Huo Qu Bing... but then he dies in a battle. Poor Qiu Chan... her life honestly sucks.

Yeah... I don't get Alyssa's ending. Doesn't make sense.

[Question]

Was Wei Zhi Fu a real history figure? Is she really a maid before she marry the King>?

And wei Zhi Fu coomitted sucided after the crown prince die? who is that? Huang xiao ming or her son>

[Lady Zhuge]

Originally Posted by Question

Was Wei Zhi Fu a real history figure? Is she really a maid before she marry the King>?

And wei Zhi Fu coomitted sucided after the crown prince die? who is that? Huang xiao ming or her son>

Yes, Wei Zifu was a real historical figure and yes, she was of humble beginnings.

She committed suicide after the crown prince (her son, not Huang Xiao Ming) was killed, but that happened much later than this series covers.

[Question]

Did Huang Xiao Ming just die of old age?
Wei Zhi Fu have such a nice personality? Was in history she nice like that too? Amaizng

[trieuminh]

yes, HXM character died at old age!

In history, Wei Zei Fu personality is not bad, but sometime she was jealous, and she used somes bad scheme for protect her son and also her family power...

[Question]

So after Huang Xiao Ming die, she still alive with her son right? But after her son die in battle, she commit suicide?

[tinac]

No, due to some circumstances or court intrigues her son (cronw prince) was forced to revolt against his father Han Wu Di (Liu Che) and died because of it. We ZiFu committed suicided after that. <---- all these are history, not in the series.

[lRainDropsl]

Can someone please spoil me on Alyssa's character? What's her role in there? What does she do? And is she scattered through out the series? Because I heard that she's only in like the first 10 episodes.

[Zhuge Liang]

Liu Che is in love with Alyssa's character. She is the last of her clan. The rest of her family were killed due to corrupt officials. She works in a brothel in an attempt to gain access to the son of the official that caused the death of her family.

She does not love the prince / king. Instead she loves the oracle whom the prince ends up hating for most of the series as he thinks the oracle is helping the Empress oppress him. Alyssa is thus caught in the middle sometimes.

[charbydis]

By the way, did you guys ever hear about what happened to Liu Fu Ling's birth mother? Apparently, Liu Che went paranoid that she would use her emperor son to control the government, and forced her to commit suicide before him. So the kid became emperor but lost his mother at a young age. I'm serious, Li Che seriously has problems when he gets older.

[trieuminh]

Originally Posted by Zhuge Liang

She does not love the prince / king. Instead she loves the oracle whom the prince ends up hating for most of the series as he thinks the oracle is helping the Empress oppress him. Alyssa is thus caught in the middle sometimes.

Oke, I have a question...you say that the prince hated the oracle because he thinks the oracle is helping the Empress oppress him, but I don't understand that why the prince let they go at the end...??? why he don't kill the oracle...because if the king hates someone, he will kill that one...thanks

[charbydis]

Originally Posted by trieuminh

Oke, I have a question...you say that the prince hated the oracle because he thinks the oracle is helping the Empress oppress him, but I don't understand that why the prince let they go at the end...??? why he don't kill the oracle...because if the king hates someone, he will kill that one...thanks

Becaues he finally found out that the oracle (Dong Fang Shuo) was helping him against the Empress Dowager all along, and that he had misunderstood him. at first, Liu Che was angry that he ran off with his fiancee, Allysa (who promised to marry him to get the oracle to take some action about their relationship), but with Wei Zi Fu's persuasion and the fact that the country needed the oracle later on, he forgave them both.

He wanted to kill/harm teh orcale many times before, but he mever got the chnace becuaes he was too smart and was always near the Empress Dowager and protected since she wouldn't let anyone to see him without her permission.

[trieuminh]

Thanks...but I have a other question...


Did oracle help him talk the power from his grandmon ? and how about Liu Che grandmom at the end part 1!

[chaule]

Originally Posted by Meh

Actually, I believe Liu Che's the first emperor to create the whole title thing. His title was Han4 Wu3 Di4, or Han's "Wu" Emperor. He was known for taking away lands from the nobles(outlined by DongFang Shuo near the end of the first series). Hence fully concentrating the power in hands of the emperor

Actually, Han Wu Di wasn't the first emperor to creat the emperor tittles. The emperor tittles was a tradition long before that. Before Song Dynasty, emperor's tittles were usually created based on the achievements or failures of the emperor that just passed away during a conference held by the high officials right after he died. The future emperor could not interfere. That's why early in the Chinese history, there were bad tittles for the emperors who failed their kingdom. With emperors that had no contribution, they will have neutral tittles. So Wu Di's tittle was created based on his achievements. Thoughout his ruling years, he had defeated Xiong Nu, conquered Western countries, Korea, and Northern Vietnam (my country). Expanded his empire to a very large empire. That's why after his death, he was given the word "Wu" in his tittle. And the tittle usually only consist of two characters. There were also tittles that consist of three to six characters, but that was rather few for it's kind of inconvenient. But since the Song Dynasty, that tradition eventually started to die down. They even try to put as many fancy, lucky, well meaning as possible to the tittle. So doesn't matter whether the emperor was good or bad, he would always have good tittles. For example: Song Gao Zong was a coward who killed Yue Fei got a very lengthy great tittle. Sorry, I can't remember what it was.

Ok back to Wu Di's creation. What he created was the "Year Tittle - Nian Hao". During his reigning years, he had a total of 11 of them. He created them in order to make it easier for people to refer to the years of the emperor. You know, people back then were forbidden to mention the name of the emperor. They always only able to refer to their emperor as "Dang Jin Huang Shang - Present Emperor" so it can be confusing sometimes. When they refer to certain events taken place during a certain year, they would have to say something like "During present emperor's fifth year (for example), this and that happened". But eversince Wu Di's creation of Nian Hao, people can refer to their emperor by saying for example "Yuan Shou first year, Yuan Shou third year, Tai He second year, etc". The Nian Hao always consist of two characters, and the emperors can change their Nian Hao when ever they see fit. Normally took place when there were something happened that the emperor think it's worth remembering. For example, when the emperor make sacrifice to the Heaven or Earth, he might change his Nian Hao to mark the event and that year will become that particular Nian Hao's first year. Of all the emperors, Wu Zhe Tian was the one with the most "Nian Hao", 23 of them eventhough her reigning years was pretty short. When we talk about Qing emperors, we usually mentioned Kang Xi, Yong Zheng, Qian Long, etc. Those are their "Nian Hao", not their tittle.

Normally, an emperor's tittle that was to be write on the tablet on the ancestor's shrine will include both his temple tittle and his given tittle. All the emperors who found a Dynasty would be tittle as "Tai Zu". Example: Han Tai Zu, Tang Tai Zu, Song Tai Zu, Ming Tai Zu, Qing Tai Zu, etc. The second emperor will be called "Tai Zong". For example: Li Shi Min was "Tang Tai Zong" for he was the second emperor of Tang. So Han Wu Di's full tittle will be like this: Han Shi Zong Xiao Wu Huang Di. "Han" is the dynasty as you already know, "Shi Zong" was his rank in the royal linage, "Xiao" means "Filial" because Han Dynasty promote filiality therefore all 24 emperors of Han Dynasty have the character "Xiao" stand above their given tittle, "Wu" means "Martial" was based on his achievements/contributions.

So the serial was wrong when they said that he called himself "Wu Di". He was not allowed to do that. Throughout China history, there was only one emperor gave himself a tittle. That was Qin Shi Huang. He called himself "Shi Huang Di". That was the only exception.

Dong Fang Suo didn't create "Tui En Ling", actually it was created by Zhu Fu Yan (the character Wang Gang played in the second part). Tui En Ling was Zhu Fu Yan's advice to Wu Di. Dong Fang Suo wasn't really involve much with court affairs. His rank was pretty low eventhough he was a well educated one. He was just someone Wu Di enjoyed talking to. When he first came to Chang An, he sent the emperor 3000 rolls of bamboo. Wu Di had to spent two months reading them. He really enjoyed them. Every time he left off, he would mark it down so he can continue later. After that, he usually summon him and because Dong Fang Suo had a great sense of humor and widely educated that the emperor enjoyed talking to him. But those were just mere chatting. Doesn't really involve any advice or anything. Dong Fang Suo said that other scholars usually chose to hide in the remote mountains to protect themself. But not him , he said that it's best to hide right in the court.

Perhaps copyright problems? Because the names in the first series are the ones in history, so there's no reason for the changes.

The names were changed because of Mainland audiences's objection about the way the characters' were portrayed. True history wasn't like the way the portraited in the series. So Zhang Tang, Kwan Fu, Guo She Ren (She Ren wasn't suppose to be a person's name, but a rank), Li Ling, Dong Fang Suo weren't like that at all in the history.

Regards,
Chau Le.

[chaule]

Originally Posted by Meh

My guess, Qin was simply too short a dynasty. While one can never understate the importance of Qin Shi Huang in the development of China(uniform written language, uniform measuring system, uniform govt, etc.), it was more a start of things than anything else.

Han dynasty managed to fully control basically all China south of the Great Wall. And it lasted a few hundred years. So an identity can grow. Also, Han was basically when China started to trade with neighboring countries. And of course they have to call themselves "the Han people" when they meet outsiders.

What you said was right. But to be more detailed. Did you know the identity of "Han people" actually truely became identity for Chinese under Wu Di? Eventhough Qin Shi Huang started the unify idea but after he died, everything break loose and "Unification" never able to be truely realized until Wu Di get rid of the "Fan Wang's" powers like you said earlier. So there were no more "Qin people, Qi people, Zhao people, etc". And like you said, because of the "Silk Road" created by Zhang Qian to trade with the foreigners (reached all the way to Roman empire) during Wu Di's years that boosted up the economy and made Han the most prosperous empire in the world. Because of that Chinese were proud to refer themself as "People of Han". So Wu Di's place in the history was just as important as that of Qin Shi Huang's.

Regards,
Chau Le.

[strawberry]

Thank you for reviving this thread!

Chaule - check ur private message box too.

[charbydis]

If you guys can read chinese, here's some links about:

Wei Zi Fu
http://ihome.cuhk.edu.hk/~s015675/concongee/2/7.htm

Empress Chen (aka Jiao Jiao)
http://ihome.cuhk.edu.hk/~s015675/concongee/2/6.htm

Lady Li (The girl who looks like Jiao Jiao)
http://ihome.cuhk.edu.hk/~s015675/concongee/2/6.htm

[strawberry]

thks....will try reading ..

[chaule]

Hi,

I just posted some links of HXM's interview and filming of Shen Diao Xia Lu at Huang Xiao Ming thread. Check them out if you have time.

Enjoy,
Chau Le.

[chaule]

Hi,

I just post a music video link of the intro and ending theme songs of the series Long Piao in the Long Piao thread. Go check it out if you have time.

Enjoy,
Chau Le