Originally Posted by
Linda
Ah someone who understands what i mean...
I don't dislike Guo Xiang but i do believe had she been raised the same way as Guo Fu, she wouldn't have turned out the way she did. I found the major difference between the two sisters was a matter of pride. Guo Fu had always been prideful and had a dislike for anything 'below her status', which to her is almost everyone.
Guo Xiang was a more humble person and given that fact she didn't have her virtues sang to her every day, she did not develop the same inane sense of self worth.
But this type of argument is too subjective, its like arguing if we were born good or evil or were we born with a clean slate. It’s a matter of belief and will be a never ending argument. So I’ll drop this matter.
As for:
"For example, look at Xiao Yu Er... He was raised in E Ren Gu and he turned out fine. He was mischievious and all but besides that, he was a good person...."
First off, i don't remember Xiao Yu Er being a self sacrificing hero either, and neither do I see the people in E Ren Gu as being evil, they were weird but I don’t recall them doing much evil deeds. Had Xiao Yu Er have to fight and kill to survive in the years he spent there, it would have made him a different person.
“You mentioned that Guo Fu justified her mistakes, how did she do that??? Can you give me some examples???Also comparing Guo Fu to the Wu brothers does not say much....”
Most memorable would be when she chopped YG’s arm off, she justified herself by convincing herself that since YG and XLN had taken her sister to swap for YG’s medicine she was in her right to avenge her sister’s death. That doesn’t make her deeds any less wrong, but I was just pointing out her behavior.
AS for the Wu brothers, I mentioned them because I felt they receive less hate then she does when I found them very despicable and couldn’t believe it when they nabbed those two nice girls. I felt it was more on the author’s side to pair off remaining girls that does not have a “deep relationship” with YG. What a waste!
“I also agree with Jiang Bao that his appearance in her life did way more good for her than harm. I think you forgot all of the times that he saved her butt or else she would have been dead years ago. I think she only hates him because she is jealous of him and XLN. She could not have him and has lost to XLN.”
I may have not been clear on my point, (I was at work…trying to hide from my boss ^_^), what I meant was that from her point of view, her life was ruined because of YG.
Take things from her perspective, without the prejudice, she was an only child, well loved and had everyone around her telling her how good she was, then one day, her parents bring home a dirty little beggar boy, and instead of teaching her, her mother gave the boy special treatment and taught him herself, while she was taught by her father with the Wu brothers.
YG never ‘sucked up to her’ but he was also never polite to her, YG at this stage was a very lost child and was like a wild animal, he treated everyone with disrespect and distrust, I can argue this point till I turn blue, no matter how many times I read the novel I still found him a rude kid. He was also very proud, something that stayed with him until he got his arm chopped off.
So we have GF who is used to being treated nicely and YG a beggar boy who was in she else’s pretty worthless as he couldn’t do anything, treating her with disrespect, instant dislike.
So YG leaves and they don’t see each other again until years later, the first time they met again, YG recognizes her but she doesn’t take notice of him since he was wearing an ugly mask and supposedly had a thing for his master.
Next time they meet is at the Hero’s Feast and she treats him nicely, believing him to have no kung fu, she even tried helping him, at this stage I believe she did like him a bit as he was handsome and almost kind to her, although inside he was laughing. JERK!
During the Hero’s Feast YG and XLN appeared, I do not remember any verse in the novel that stated GF was jealous of XLN’s beauty, nor of her jealousy at YG’s and XLN’s relationship. Actually, come to think of it, I don’t remember there being any mention of her liking him.
GJ did proposed marriage and she wasn’t against it as YG was handsome, kind (if only she knew better), and currently, after defeating the priest, a hero. YG however rejected the proposal and XLN declared their relationship, to GF at this stage, not only was their relationship incestuous, but they had also publicly humiliated her.
The next time they meet, YG and XLN saved her and her mother and the Wu brothers, she did feel grateful to them and did not say anything about their relationship, she told the Wu brothers to shut their traps.
The next time they meet he saved them again, and although YG was hurt this time, she could not take care of him because her mother was hurt as well.
Fast forward a lot of chapters, they meet again when YG and XLN arrived to help defend the city, GF was not rude to them, she treated them with politeness as she would have to all guest, during their stay, YG saved her father, and she was grateful to him and treated him nicely.
When the Wu brothers fought and he told them he was engaged to GF and how close they were and how HR had taught him the beggar sect’s martial arts secretly and they told her that, in this era, saying he was engaged to her and they had a close relationship, is akin to saying they were almost like lovers. Not to mention he had also tainted her mother’s name.
During this time, XLN also took the baby away and the pair of them lost her sister, then XLN goes to her and tells her to help take her sister to Passionless Valley to get the antidote and to be happy with YG, then she hears about XLN’s sexual encounter, you have to understand at this stage, GF did not know it was rape, from what she could make out of the conversation, XLN and the priest slept with each other and XLN was not ashamed to admit it. Given the era, she felt disgusted at the act and especially to someone like XLN who has a loving relationship to her pupil sleeps in the same room with him.
So it all boils down to the night she chops of YG’s arm, the Wu brothers and their father had been wishing her a happy life with YG, her sister disappeared, and everybody is treating YG as the hero while to her he has been tarnishing her name and virtue.
They had an argument, namely YG apologizing and saying it was not ill intended and he was just trying to stop the Wu brothers from fighting, he however did forbid them to see GF again if he beat them and so they kept their promise. GF grew up with the Wu brothers, and although she did not love them, she did have feelings for them as well as they are childhood friends, she was understandably pissed off.
She goes on to repeat XLN’s words and he accuses her of lying and stealing the sword, in retaliation she mocked XLN’s sexual behavior and YG slapped her and accused her of lying. GF retaliated and fought him back, YG is much stronger then her in martial arts and had blocked her stance twice, in the third stance she was able to knock his sword away by then she was too angry to stop and cut off his arm.
She knew right away she had made a mistake and was unable to cope with the situation, she ran for help and got GJ, YG had already left by then, and fearing GJ she was forced to leave home and hide out. Once she did return, GJ wanted to chop her arm off to pay for YG, her mother saved her and once again she was force to flee. Her mother managed to almost save GX but then YG stole her and even taunted it in front of GF.
...too long...i'll continue later...when its not new years. HaPPY NEW SPCNET MEMBERS!