Wuxia Challenge Game: identify the 20th most powerful fighter in various novels!

[Ken Cheng]

We're all accustomed to determining the most powerful characters in any given wuxia novel. This is relatively easy: go straight to the top.

BUT, can you identify the *20th* most powerful fighter in any given wuxia novel?

Go ahead. Pick as many wuxia novels as you like, and identify the 20th most powerful fighter in each of them.

[qiaofeng]

i rank the fighters at their peaks

tianlong babu

1.sweeper monk
2.qiaofeng(he had the x factor so im putting him above the elders)
3.tiansan tonglao
4.li qiu sui
5.wu ya zi
6.xiao yuansan
7.murong bo
8. xu zhu
9.jiu mo zi
10.ding chunqiu
11.duan yu
12.duan zhenming
13.duan yanqing
14.murong fu
15.shaolin abbot (xuan nan ?)
16.ku rong(shao sang jian monk from tian long si)
17.xuan ci
18.zuo bu fan
19.huang mei(da li jing gang zi monk)
20.duan zhenchun

shen dian and she diao

1.guo jing
2.jinglun fawang
3.yang guo
4.ouyang feng
5.zhou botong
6.wang chongyang(he died early so the rest should have surpassed him)
7.hong qigong
8.yi deng
9.huang yaosi
10.qiu qianren
11.xiaolong nu
12.lin chaoyin
13.huang rong
14.qiu chu ji
15.gongsun zi
16.ma yu
17.xiao xiang zi
18.ni mo xing
19.li mo chou
20.yelu qi

xi tian tu long ji

1.zhang sanfeng
2.3 sitting monks(since they fought as one n never soloed)
3.yang dingtian
4.zhang wuji(may have higher mastery of qiankun danuoyi but he has crappy fighter instincts so i put him below)
5.kong wen(the monk that xie xun accidentally killed)
6.chen kun
7.xuan ming er lao(again they always fought together)
8.yang xiao
9.fan yao
10.ying tian zhen
11.xie xun
12.ah da
13.ah er
14.ah san
15.dai qi si
16.mei jue
17.batman
18.song yuanqiao
19.zhou zhiruo
20.2nd wudang disciple(cant remember his name)

[Ken Cheng]

Fascinating list, but you've got Ma Yuk twice in the L/ROCH column.

[Exodus]

Don't you have DY in your top 20 list qiaofeng?

[qiaofeng]

no cus he sucks, anyone can beat him up, even when his 6mai shen jian was working hes still very clumsy.but i guess i shold include him since he got a little better at the end

[qiaofeng]

Fascinating list, but you've got Ma Yuk twice in the L/ROCH column.

oops. changed it already. its hard to keep track of 20 fighters

[xuelian]

At their peaks:

LOCH

1. Wang Chong Yang
2. Huang Yao Shi
3. Yi Deng
4. Guo Jing
5. Zhou Bo Tong
6. Ouyang Feng (much more sly and vicious opponent than H7G)
7. Hong Qi Gong
8. Qiu Chu Ji
9. Quan Zhen 7 (as a formation)
10. Huang Rong
11. Mei Chao Feng
12. Chen Xuan Feng
13. Ma Yu
14. Jiang Nan 7 Freaks
15. Qu Ling Feng
16. Lu Cheng Feng
17. Feng Mo Feng
18. Yang Kang
19. Ouyang Ke
20. Qiu Qian Ren

HSDS

1. Zhang San Feng
2. Guo Xiang
3. Lady Yang
4. Shaolin 3 revered monks
5. Zhang Wuji
6. Jue Yuan
7. Kong Wen
8. Yang Ding Tian
9. Cheng Kun
10. Xuan Min elders
11. Xie Xun
12. Shi Huo Long (real one)
13. Dai Qi Si
14. Mie Jue (without Yitian sword)
15. Zhou Zhiruo
16. Song Qing Shu
17. Yang Xiao
18. Fan Yao
19. Ying Tian Zheng
20. Zhang Cuishan

[Exodus]

Qiu Qian Ren should be in the top 10 he is actually quite powerful

[letalforever]

At their peaks:


HSDS

1. Zhang San Feng
2. Guo Xiang
3. Lady Yang
4. Shaolin 3 revered monks
5. Zhang Wuji
6. Jue Yuan
7. Kong Wen
8. Yang Ding Tian
9. Cheng Kun
10. Xuan Min elders
11. Xie Xun
12. Shi Huo Long (real one)
13. Dai Qi Si
14. Mie Jue (without Yitian sword)
15. Zhou Zhiruo
16. Song Qing Shu
17. Yang Xiao
18. Fan Yao
19. Ying Tian Zheng
20. Zhang Cuishan

er..think u overrated guo xiang and songqingshu >_<

[letalforever]

roch

1.yang guo
2.guo jing
3.wang chong yang
4.zhou botong
5.huang yao shi
6.ouyang feng
7.hong qigong
8.yi deng
9.jin lun fa wang
10.qiu qianren
11.xiaolong nu
12.lin chao ying
13.gong sun zi
14.huang rong
15.zhu zi liu (he's gd damnit)
16.qiu chu ji
17.ma yu
18.li mo chou
19.yelu qi
20th...zhang jun bao? =P cant decide

[qiaofeng]

At their peaks:

LOCH

1. Wang Chong Yang
2. Huang Yao Shi
3. Yi Deng
4. Guo Jing
5. Zhou Bo Tong
6. Ouyang Feng (much more sly and vicious opponent than H7G)
7. Hong Qi Gong
8. Qiu Chu Ji
9. Quan Zhen 7 (as a formation)
10. Huang Rong
11. Mei Chao Feng
12. Chen Xuan Feng
13. Ma Yu
14. Jiang Nan 7 Freaks
15. Qu Ling Feng
16. Lu Cheng Feng
17. Feng Mo Feng
18. Yang Kang
19. Ouyang Ke
20. Qiu Qian Ren

HSDS

1. Zhang San Feng
2. Guo Xiang
3. Lady Yang
4. Shaolin 3 revered monks
5. Zhang Wuji
6. Jue Yuan
7. Kong Wen
8. Yang Ding Tian
9. Cheng Kun
10. Xuan Min elders
11. Xie Xun
12. Shi Huo Long (real one)
13. Dai Qi Si
14. Mie Jue (without Yitian sword)
15. Zhou Zhiruo
16. Song Qing Shu
17. Yang Xiao
18. Fan Yao
19. Ying Tian Zheng
20. Zhang Cuishan

i dont think jiannan 7 guai shld be that high, they suck. ouyang ke is definately stronger than them. and yang xiao and fan yao weaker than song qingshu ???? that guy is a loser. yang xiao can beat the crap out of him with one hand behind his back

[shen long]

i dont think jiannan 7 guai shld be that high, they suck. ouyang ke is definately stronger than them. and yang xiao and fan yao weaker than song qingshu ???? that guy is a loser. yang xiao can beat the crap out of him with one hand behind his back

song qingshu learned XL18(in the HSDS adaptation at the end) so he should be quite powerful.

[xuelian]

i dont think jiannan 7 guai shld be that high, they suck. ouyang ke is definately stronger than them. and yang xiao and fan yao weaker than song qingshu ???? that guy is a loser. yang xiao can beat the crap out of him with one hand behind his back

Ouyang Ke might be able to take beat one or two of them, but with all 7 against him I doubt he'll manage to hold out for long. As for SQS, my mistake. I was going by the TV serials where SQS had the great fortune of learning XL18Z, which I've heard is a fallacy.

About Guo Xiang; there wasn't much mention of her martial arts development after she parted with Z3F, but I just made a rough estimate. In the book, it said that 3 people were present at JY's deathbed recital of the 9Yang both came from different martial arts backgrounds, therefore they each had different interpretations and impressions of certain bits of it. These 3 different understandings then gave birth to 3 styles of martial arts that would dominate wulin: E`Mei, Wu Dang & Shaolin. I used Z3F as a rough yardstick for GX's accomplishment. During the recital, Z3F did not have much knowledge about kungfu. He also seemed rather slow-witted. GX, on the other hand, was bright and had kungfu foundations. Given her talent in martial arts, I don't think it would be difficult for her to surpass Z3F. If she was nowhere near Z3F, I doubt E`Mei would have been able to enjoy the prestige as one of the top schools like it did in HSDS (although this can be argued because of her famous parentage). However, she did waste away a good part of her youth and life looking for YG before finally settling down and founding E`Mei. This is why I rated her below Z3F.

To be honest, I had a hard time ranking GX, Z3F and Lady Yang. I'm also unsure of Zhou Zhiruo being ranked above Yang Xiao and Fan Yao. I think she might be able to beat them individually, but not by a large margin.

[letalforever]

nah, i think the person who learns xl18z has to have some talent and sqs is just a...a wuss..definitely not the best person to learn the xl18z

[xuelian]

nah, i think the person who learns xl18z has to have some talent and sqs is just a...a wuss..definitely not the best person to learn the xl18z

Remember that GJ started out as a completely talentless and dumb boy. Even his teachers, the 7 freaks, were fed up. H7G was also beginning to feel abit hopeless. But GJ was very determined and hardworking, and eventually he managed to master it. I wouldn't say SQS mastered it as completely as GJ, nowhere close. I'm saying he mastered it enough to consider him a cut above the anonymous extras in the novel. Remember that he, too, had great determination and drive to master XL18Z. He was infatuated with Zhou Zhiruo, and her wish was his command. She alone provided him with great enough drive.

[qiaofeng]

nah, i think the person who learns xl18z has to have some talent and sqs is just a...a wuss..definitely not the best person to learn the xl18z

if song qingshu had displayed his "xianglong 18 zhang" in front of qiaofeng, he'll laugh his *** off and beat the crap out of him using his long fist. here are the main characters who use xiaolong 18 zhang: qiaofeng, guojing and hong qigong. they are all heros. if someone like song qingshu were to learn it, they'll turn over in their graves, its an insult to the skill

[xuelian]

if song qingshu had displayed his "xianglong 18 zhang" in front of qiaofeng, he'll laugh his *** off and beat the crap out of him using his long fist. here are the main characters who use xiaolong 18 zhang: qiaofeng, guojing and hong qigong. they are all heros. if someone like song qingshu were to learn it, they'll turn over in their graves, its an insult to the skill

And..... your point is? The adaptations deviated from the novel and SQS did learn it. I admitted I made a mistake. Get over it?

[Ren Wo Xing]

The seven Freaks managed at least a draw with Qiu Chuji. I'm sure they could quit capably deal with stinkin' Ouyang Ke.

And GJ wasn't a talentless boy; he just had talentless teachers. All seven of their martial arts were very different and unique; one day, they'd teach him to be "powerful and strong", then next day a different Freak, "quick and fluid". As Ma Yu said, "with teachers like these, how could a Pupil be taught?" He learned Quanzhen internal energy from Ma Yu incredibly well/quickly, and Hong Qigong was shocked by how easily and rapidly he learned the Xiang Long 18 Zhang, once it was explained to him.

[zhaozilong44]

Remember that GJ started out as a completely talentless and dumb boy. Even his teachers, the 7 freaks, were fed up. H7G was also beginning to feel abit hopeless. But GJ was very determined and hardworking, and eventually he managed to master it.

GJ was never talentless. In fact, in the whole triology, he can be considered one of the most talented young martial artist out there. It wasn't him who didn't have the talent, it was really the 7 freaks. They sucked as martial artists (well, if you're counting pre-Qing era) and they sucked even more as teachers. When H7G used a harder explaination of H18J to GJ, GJ got it right away. Hardworking and determination has something to do with GJ's kung fu progression, but it was really his talent that allowed him to be "great".

At their peaks:

LOCH

1. Wang Chong Yang
2. Huang Yao Shi
3. Yi Deng
4. Guo Jing
5. Zhou Bo Tong
6. Ouyang Feng (much more sly and vicious opponent than H7G)
7. Hong Qi Gong
8. Qiu Chu Ji
9. Quan Zhen 7 (as a formation)
10. Huang Rong
11. Mei Chao Feng
12. Chen Xuan Feng
13. Ma Yu
14. Jiang Nan 7 Freaks
15. Qu Ling Feng
16. Lu Cheng Feng
17. Feng Mo Feng
18. Yang Kang
19. Ouyang Ke
20. Qiu Qian Ren

I really don't like your list. I don't think you'll find one single person in this forum who'll agree with you that Qiu Qian Ren is number 20. In fact, you might get less of an arguement if you put him at number 2! Yes, he's that good. He's at least as good as any of the surviving greats and at worst, he's only a step behind.

WCY died too early and personally, I think all the surviving greats, ZBT, and QQR had surpassed him by the end of LOCH or at least equalled him.

GJ is ranked too high. ZBT and OYF can take him out no sweat. Remember ZBT was actually considered to be a notch above the greats at the end of LOCH and when GJ fought both H7G and HYS, they went easy on him. He was very lucky to survived 300 strokes with them. No way is GJ more powerful than OYF, ZBT, and QQR by the end of LOCH. However, for a young man like GJ to reached the level that he did in LOCH and become the 7th best fighter (behind ZBT, 4 greats, and QQR) in LOCH, it's still quite a remarkable achievement.

Formations should not be ranked as a single fighter.

HR is definitely ranked way too high. No way do I think she's as good as her 4 martial arts apprentice bros/sis, Ma Yu, and Wong Chu Yut.

Also, Yang Kang is no match for Ouyang Ke.

HSDS

1. Zhang San Feng
2. Guo Xiang
3. Lady Yang
4. Shaolin 3 revered monks
5. Zhang Wuji
6. Jue Yuan
7. Kong Wen
8. Yang Ding Tian
9. Cheng Kun
10. Xuan Min elders
11. Xie Xun
12. Shi Huo Long (real one)
13. Dai Qi Si
14. Mie Jue (without Yitian sword)
15. Zhou Zhiruo
16. Song Qing Shu
17. Yang Xiao
18. Fan Yao
19. Ying Tian Zheng
20. Zhang Cuishan

I agree with your first choice, but the rest are..... well....
GX is all hype so we have no idea where she belongs, but even
with all the hype, she might be a top 5 fighter in HSDS. I don't like
you ranking the 3 monks as one. Lady Yang is very questionable.
She didn't prove anything by beating up Zhou Zhiruo, whom any
of the Wudang 7 heros could beat up. Zhang Wuji is ranked too
low. Jue Yuan shouldn't even be ranked. He was nothing, but
inner power. Even an average martial artist could beat him up if
they come at him with a weapon like Ho Jook Doe did, not that I'm
saying Ho Jook Doe is an average fighter. He's quite a martial
artist and definitely a top 20, if not a top 10 in HSDS. And why is
Song Qing Shu ranked so high. I don't quite know where he
belongs in HSDS, but I'm quite certain that it's not top 20. Zhang
Cuishan would be below all 6 of his WuDang brothers if you ask me.

[Xiao Feng]

Everyones entitled to their opinions even if its wrong . I blame TVB and many other adaptations for screwing with ppl's minds and giving the wrong impressions.