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    They are called Artist.
    Yeah, I was looking for an all encompassing word.

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    I guess the moral of the story is, it is good to be a fat, out of shape, exec in the entertainment industry.
    How about we go a little further? It's good to be rich and powerful.
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    What seems to be the big deal ? this is nothing new.

    Almost everyone gals or guys in the Entertainment industry slept or sell their bodies in order to success and boost their career path. This happens not just in Asia, but also everywhere else in the globe.
    Quite right. It's just a bit more open in the west as it doesn't matter who they sleep around with to advance their careers. Just as long as they revel in their decadence, exhibit a 'party animal' image to the tabloids, and discuss the whole affair a day later in a popular womens magazine; then all is well. Contrary to Asian culture, unabashed sexual promiscuity seems to be secretly idolized and looked up upon in the west.

    Perhaps asian culture is just still too conservative and ignorant of the truth or... they would rather believe the image of their idols rather than their reality.

    Anyhoo... Every profession has its share of shortcuts and tricks to bring in the fame and money.

    So screw your morals if you want fame and success the least troublesome way, morals and respect are for ethically correct but whiny losers who don't get the money, don't get the girl/guy and will never be popular... ever.

    As some monkey's say 'If you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen biatch!'


    Quote Originally Posted by James Ko
    They are called Artist.
    I hear Raffaello Sanzi was an artist too
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    people all go to great extents to get what they want, but it's just too bad not everybody get what they want, but they can try to get it trough other measures and this is what goes against our own morals. and because asian culture is still sorta conservative having sex with your manager is like SIN, but what can we do about it, as long as the consumers spend money to get what they want, the artists get their fame and glory, and the manager gain profit everyone is happy so what's wrong with a little secretive sex?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moinllieon
    Well, depending on how you look at it, the profession of actors/actresses/singers/dancers are a form of prostitution anyways. What else do you call someone who sell the image/idea of themselves to make money? I mean, if you first paid attention to a particular singer because of his/her good looks, does it really make a difference to you if she/he sold it to someone else in person before he/she sold it to you through a picture on the TV screen or on a poster or in a movie?
    Well, the concept is similar, but it doesn't usually involve the exchange of body fluids or genitals. I would prefer not to think that I'm patronising a media hooker when I buy a CD or DVD. I really don't want to sleep with most of the artists I see nowadays.

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    It does seem kind of ****ty, but that's how most asian singers get their career started (most likely). Like BoA...

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    Are you sure it's limited to Asians?
    "Anything you can't say NO to is your MASTER, and you are its SLAVE."

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    I personally think it's linked to all entertainment all over the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aphraeleiss
    Well, the concept is similar, but it doesn't usually involve the exchange of body fluids or genitals. I would prefer not to think that I'm patronising a media hooker when I buy a CD or DVD. I really don't want to sleep with most of the artists I see nowadays.
    Yes of course, like most things, the matter of degrees is very important. But it's not exactly like they aren't appealing to the same region of the brain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moinllieon
    But it's not exactly like they aren't appealing to the same region of the brain.
    I didn't know you would consider that a "region of the brain"
    "Anything you can't say NO to is your MASTER, and you are its SLAVE."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laviathan

    while many popstars are hailed as idols. That's something I don't agree with.
    That's why..I'm finding it weird that..if everyopne knows it..why do ppl still..love them? If it's only possible to be an idol dut to sleeping with their managers, wouldn't that mean a naturally talented singer may not be famous because he/she wasn't given the chance without having to do that kinda stuff??

    This happens in the government and in the educational sectors as well.
    o.o Educational Sectors??

    It just show you that sometimes people use sex as a skill.
    This reminds me of..those ancient TVB series where women use their charm to attract the empiror and sleep with him to gain power...

    Maybe they are just young ... sheltered ... or both.
    Yes...i think Im one of them.

    It does seem kind of ****ty, but that's how most asian singers get their career started (most likely). Like BoA...
    eh? How did BoA start? Can u guys share with me about how most hong kong singers started out to be? Which other singers u guys know have been supported? I know u said there's heaps..just name a few plz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sword Goddess
    That's why..I'm finding it weird that..if everyopne knows it..why do ppl still..love them? If it's only possible to be an idol dut to sleeping with their managers, wouldn't that mean a naturally talented singer may not be famous because he/she wasn't given the chance without having to do that kinda stuff??
    There are many talented people on this planet, and sadly, not all of them are world famous or making big bucks. There are also many untalented people in the showbizz who are famous and earn lots of money. Talent alone is not enough. Sleeping with your manager is not enough either. There are many, many factors involved... Luck being the most crucial of them. It is na鴳e to think that nobody sleeps with their managers, but it is also na鴳e to think that EVERY ARTIST who does sleep with his/her manager will become an idol.

    Also, why wouldn't people love them? Firstly, what we hear and read in the media are rumours anyway, we can't exactly say for sure who really used sexual favours to boost their career. What most people see is glamour and stardom. Secondly, forgive me for being rude, most fans (for example, Twins supporters) are very young, na鴳e and silly, IMO... They listen to the music, watch the soaps, buy everything... They love their idols not because of the idol's real personality (They don't know him/her personally) but because they believe in what they want to believe, i.e. they are buying an illusion.

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    o.o Educational Sectors??
    It happens everywhere. The United Nations, for example, is often depicted as one big brothel.

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    This reminds me of..those ancient TVB series where women use their charm to attract the empiror and sleep with him to gain power...
    Oh, War & Beauty is nothing compared to real life...

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    Yes...i think Im one of them.??
    Sorry to shatter your illusions...

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    eh? How did BoA start? Can u guys share with me about how most hong kong singers started out to be? Which other singers u guys know have been supported? I know u said there's heaps..just name a few plz?
    Why do you want to know this?

    Frankly, it's none of our business. If you like an artist, and appreciate his/her artistic talents and performance, does it really matter what this person does behind the scenes? In a hotel suite? In his/her own bedroom? What he or she did in the past? Chow Yun Fat and Leslie Cheung both started as soft porn actors, so did Sylvester Stallone. Taiwanese singer Shino Lin Hsiao Pei was a night club attendant before she became famous. That doesn't mean her music sucks, she is a great singer. Fact is: you appreciate their work, you are not going to be friends with them or whatever, so why would you care?
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    Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong in selling one's body for some sort of incentives, be it money or fame or both. Majority of the time the cutthroat business of the entertainment industry resort a person into taking drastic measures. I'd call it competiveness. After all, if fame and fortune is what they seek then there is always a price to pay. How many idols we see now in Hk or Taiwan really have talents? I could probably count five people that could actually sing a tune in Hk and the rest are such either mediocre or just garbage when it comes to talent.

    Of course, selling body and sould is not restricted to just the entertainment industry but also in the modeling industry. A lot of the model in the United States sell their bodies to achieve their goals.

    If just by selling one's body is being a scum, I wonder what do we call the pedophiles, murderers, cheaters, and raptist.

    Heck, when I was still living in Reno, Nevada I saw a family been torn apart by a couple who pretended to be brother and sister. The sister befriended the boss lady and the boss lady even consider her a sister. The boss and his wife worked side by side, tirelessly in their restaurant and was one of the most popular chinese restaurant in Reno. After a year or so, the boss lady had a baby and decided to bring the baby back to Hong Kong, trusting the restaurant to be taken care of by her husband and her "sister." By the time she came back three months later the husband was already in an affair with the "sister." I don't know how the woman did it but she managed to persuade the boss to include her name in the restaurant and eventually, the boss lost his wife and his business. The business was eventually closed down because after the boss was kicked out by the conniving couple, no one would come to the restaurant to eat.

    If we're gonna start labeling certain people as scums, then lets lable this couple who robbed thier boss's restaurant and his and his wife's lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by christinatran
    If just by selling one's body is being a scum, I wonder what do we call the pedophiles, murderers, cheaters, and raptist.
    Selling one's body doesn't make one a scum, but I am quite convinced that HK showbizz is filled with scum.

    Quote Originally Posted by christinatran
    By the time she came back three months later the husband was already in an affair with the "sister." I don't know how the woman did it but she managed to persuade the boss to include her name in the restaurant and eventually, the boss lost his wife and his business. The business was eventually closed down because after the boss was kicked out by the conniving couple, no one would come to the restaurant to eat.

    If we're gonna start labeling certain people as scums, then lets lable this couple who robbed thier boss's restaurant and his and his wife's lives.
    Uhuh, these cons are scum, but the boss is to blame too. Nobody forced him to cheat on his wife and to hand over his business to others.

    Anyway, there are lots of bad people in the world. That's why I said I respect hookers more, at least they do honest work. The only thing they fake is their orgasm.
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    When there are swarms of hookers hassling people to "employ" their services in residential areas because it's so competitive, I simply cannot have respect for them. Honest work or not, it's all relative. I'm sure they don't want to have to do this for a living. Not many women would. But when I can't walk through certain neighborhoods which used to be just clean residential areas because of illegal immigrants flooding the area, and who engage in unregulated prostitution (it's not legal in Singapore, and illegal immigrants do not usually go for health checks regularly), I cannot respect them. It's a hazard to society. Noone invited them to be hookers here, and they are certainly not welcome where I live.

    But yes, I do respect them *more* than the so-called idols who pretend to be all goodness and things. At least hookers don't pretend to be what they're not.

    In fact, I no longer buy CDs of artists who I know for certain are smoking - just a personal belief thing. I used to be crazy about Leon Lai when I was in fact a silly young thing. No longer. It does help that his new songs suck, but I ain't paying good money to support a smoker, or someone who preaches about the importance of education and being a good person who does charity work on a regular basis when he himself wasted his own opportunities in life and had to resort to less than savory means to get famous. I'm not that silly anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aphraeleiss
    When there are swarms of hookers hassling people to "employ" their services in residential areas because it's so competitive, I simply cannot have respect for them.
    Not in countries that have made the necessary steps into the 21st century...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sword Goddess
    Re quote: Maybe they are just young ... sheltered ... or both.
    Yes...i think Im one of them.
    Sorry you have to go through this ... which brings me back to your original question....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sword Goddess
    I just want to clarify this..someone sudddeny l told me that Hong Kong singers (e.g Joey, Twins Miriam..etc etc) actually have to sleep with their managers so they become famous....is it true? They call it being supported by rich people, or otherwise, they wouldn't be about to get promoted etc...it totally changed my view on idols.... I think that's..disgusting..
    Were you initially very shaken, shocked or otherwise impacted by this "news" that someone suddenly told you about? What was your original view on idols? Did the clarifications help at all, or did they make you feel more uncomfortable or perhaps, disappointed to some extent?

    A lot of things in this world are actually quite grey, and many of things that we thought we knew can turn out to be just the opposite. And sometimes, these discoveries just give us a big knock on the head. We grapple with them, ask around and eventually accept or deny them -- sometimes considering, and sometimes not, the consequences of the acceptance or denial on the way we view similar or worse things in the future.

    A young person who has never been to a club (pub, lounge, whatever) will probably be quite curious to visit, especially one where his/her friends go to. If nothing unsavoury happens, it is just a fun thing that will be probably repeated. But if something undesired happens, the person goes away unaffected (one extreme), having learnt something new, or totally traumatised (the other extreme). The reaction depends generally on this young person's worldview before the undesired experience, as well as the content of the experience itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sword Goddess
    Re quote: This happens in the government and in the educational sectors as well.
    o.o Educational Sectors??
    Yeah. The point I raised vaguely in an earlier post -- that It even happens in activities that do not provide financial gain, like voluntary sports -- took place in a university. But would something like that stop you from going to university (if you haven't been there yet) or discontinuing your studies at tertiary level (if you are currently in university)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candide
    Not in countries that have made the necessary steps into the 21st century...
    I wouldn't mind if they legalized it - at least those women would get proper health checks, which they should be getting like anyone else, and they would have designated areas to work in. Away from residential areas where they solicit or should I say hardsell. The ones from Mainland China are swarming the place and making it harder for even the local hookers, if you believe it. People can do what they want away from where I live and shop. But there are still illegal immigrants and that's separate than the issue of prostitution. I've got nothing against them, but I need to ensure my own safety. You never know where they go off to now when the police raid, so it's not like I can avoid them all the time. Sex workers in Australia, where I've lived, are those with among the best sexual health that I know of. Regular checks, proper healthcare and treatment if required. That's how it should be. Their lives are hard enough, no need to make it harder by making working conditions subhuman.

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    I heard that they are having the same problem in Macau. Many prostitutes from Mainland China are swarming the streets of Macau and it's so normal now to see prostitutes soliciting customers in the Casinos. When my friend went there in 2002, prostitutes were everywhere, on the streets, in the casinos, and even in hotels. It can become an epidemic if something is not done. AIDS are wide spread now and it is estimated that Asia would become the most AIDS infested continent in the next decade or so. I heard on the news several months ago that they have found a new kind of AIDS that are resisting 4 of the medicines used to combat AIDS and it takes months rather than years now to destroy one's inmune system and allow other illnesses to kill that person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangYushi
    Sorry you have to go through this ... which brings me back to your original question....


    Were you initially very shaken, shocked or otherwise impacted by this "news" that someone suddenly told you about? What was your original view on idols? Did the clarifications help at all, or did they make you feel more uncomfortable or perhaps, disappointed to some extent?
    Yeh..initially I was very shocked by this news,( well, I wouldn't call it 'new', but it was new to me)in denial probably and uncomfortable by it.. didn't really believe it cos it sounded so...I donno, maybe I was manipulated by their image in thinking idols didn't have to do that to climb up the ladder, but by natural talent and given the opportunity to show everyone. I did think that idols may not have a great presonallty and or (like, probably different to how they act and appear to be) what they appear to be, but the fact about most singers doing stuff behind the scene kinda shock me.

    Uhm..yeh, the clarifications helped me answer my questions..now that I believe what I heard...lol yeh, I'm kinda disappointed by the news, but you guys put on great arguments on the topic, esp Laviathan.



    A young person who has never been to a club (pub, lounge, whatever) will probably be quite curious to visit, especially one where his/her friends go to.
    Yup..that's me again..lol

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    I know that many prostitutes are from China and are illegal immigrants, but I find it interesting how much of a stereotype this is for some people. Sheesh, not ALL prostitutes fit into the above two categories.

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