Did Yeung Hong have the martial arts talent to learn Ha Mo Gung?

[Ken Cheng]

At the time that he died, Yeung Hong was on the verge of becoming the student of West Poison Au Yeung Fung. Had the events of Iron Spear Temple not occurred and Au Yeung Fung never learned that Yeung Hong had in fact murdered the former's nephew, Au Yeung Hak, how well do you think Yeung Hong could have learned the Ha Mo Gung? Did Yeung Hong's martial arts talent run that deep? Yeung Hong's training with Yau Chui Gei and Mui Chiu Fung had produced satisfactory, but unspectacular results.

[Dennis Chen]

I always thought that he was more of a foil for Huang Rong.

[Exodus]

i guess that YK could have been pretty good and maybe he could have reached great level one day but not as fast as his son YG.

[Ian Liew]

At the time that he died, Yeung Hong was on the verge of becoming the student of West Poison Au Yeung Fung. Had the events of Iron Spear Temple not occurred and Au Yeung Fung never learned that Yeung Hong had in fact murdered the former's nephew, Au Yeung Hak, how well do you think Yeung Hong could have learned the Ha Mo Gung? Did Yeung Hong's martial arts talent run that deep? Yeung Hong's training with Yau Chui Gei and Mui Chiu Fung had produced satisfactory, but unspectacular results.

Qiu Chuji probably didn't have sufficient time to train him intensively, and didn't like being in the Jin palace too often anyway. In any case, the Quanzhen method of inner energy cultivation would mean that Yang Kang would not be anywhere near as good as Qiu himself until he reached Qiu's age. Mei Chaofeng, on the other hand, had the opposite problem - she had little real grounding in inner energy cultivation, and herself suffered from an inability to understand the full potential of the skills she used. Her student can hardly be expected to excel at all.

I suspect he would have been quite the monster. If Ouyang Feng hadn't held back Ouyang Ke's training Ouyang Ke might have been a good indication of the power of the Toad Stance, but seeing how well the child Yang Guo picked it up, it probably wasn't too hard to learn.

[Whsie]

It probably wasn't hard to learn, but it certainly is dangerous. It said that when OYF was teaching YG that Toad Stance is his best and most dangerous. So dangerous to learn that he didn't teach it to OYK yet. The only reason OYF taught it to YG is because OYF was still in crazy mode.

[Ken Cheng]

Yeung Gor was also fortunate enough to be a martial arts prodigy. He had all the right physical equipment to become an extraordinary martial artist provided the right training.

Did his father have similar talent? Naturally, father and son had similar DNA, but because of Yeung Hong's circumstances, it's hard to judge whether or not he had extraordinary martial arts talent like his son did.

[FruityPunch]

Like what Whise said.

ROCH Chapter 2

..当下欧阳锋将修习蛤蟆功的入门心法传授了杨过，他这蛤蟆功是天下武学中的绝顶功夫，变化精微，奥妙无穷 ，内功的修习更是艰难无比，练得稍有不对，不免身受重伤，甚或吐血身亡，以致当年连亲生儿子欧阳克亦未传授 。此时他心情激动，加之神智迷糊，不分轻重，竟毫不顾忌的教了这新收的义子。

Noodle's translation

Right now, Ou Yang Feng was passing on the formula to practise 'Toad' stance to Yang Guo. The toad stance is one of the top skills in the martial arts word, the changes refined, mysterious and clever, its internal energy aspect hard to beat, if it is practised wrong, not only will the body be harmed, but the practitioner will expel blood and die. Because of this, he didn't even pass it on to his son when he was alive. At this moment in time, he was touched and added to the fact he wasn't mentally clear, he couldn't differentiate between important things. He didn't take this into consideration and taught the skill to his stepson.

OYK never learnt Toad Stance.

Did his father have similar talent? Naturally, father and son had similar DNA, but because of Yeung Hong's circumstances, it's hard to judge whether or not he had extraordinary martial arts talent like his son did.

Maybe. But Guo Fu was quite slow in learning kungfu despite being the daughter of two of the best martial artists of their time.

[Whsie]

we never said he did

[FruityPunch]

we never said he did

No you didn't.

I suspect he would have been quite the monster. If Ouyang Feng hadn't held back Ouyang Ke's training Ouyang Ke might have been a good indication of the power of the Toad Stance, but seeing how well the child Yang Guo picked it up, it probably wasn't too hard to learn.

[shen long]

Qiu Chuji probably didn't have sufficient time to train him intensively, and didn't like being in the Jin palace too often anyway. In any case, the Quanzhen method of inner energy cultivation would mean that Yang Kang would not be anywhere near as good as Qiu himself until he reached Qiu's age. Mei Chaofeng, on the other hand, had the opposite problem - she had little real grounding in inner energy cultivation, and herself suffered from an inability to understand the full potential of the skills she used. Her student can hardly be expected to excel at all.

hmmm waa MCF aware that QCJ is also his sifu or that he knew QZ internal energy cultivation techniques?

if so she could have asked him instead of GJ on those internal energy questions ,unless YK wasn't taught QZ internal energy cultivation.

[charbydis]

No offense, but i don't find YH that dedicated to learning martial arts cos he's always planning evil stuff to help his adopted dad. He is enthusiastic to learn more, but martial arts is a thing that cannot be rushed, and YH seemes to be a person who wants to achieve ASAP cos he is always on the rush to do things for the Jin Empire.

[Ken Cheng]

Reexamining this question some years later, one wonders, even if Yeung Hong had trained with Au Yeung Fung, would the former have made significant gains in his martial arts abilities? He would definitely achieve some advancement, as Au Yeung Fung had much more to offer as a martial artist than Yau Chui Gei and Mui Chiu Fung. Even so, did Yeung Hong have the character necessary for becoming a master martial artist? Yeung Hong failed to develop as a martial artist not because he lacked talent nor because Yau Chui Gei and Mui Chiu Fung had no worthy skills to impart to him, but because he never had the focus, drive, or *need* to do so. He had a retinue of mercenary martial artists and an army of Jin soldiers to upset whoever needed upsetting, and that would have continued to be the case even if Au Yeung Fung were his martial arts teacher.