Smiling Proud Wanderer

[Demonic Swordsman]

agreed...this battle should be interesting

thanx for the update

[marktio]

how come the Yue couple said nothing when LHC has spoken? are they really so afraid of these 3 Songsan fellows?
Also dont they know by now that they tried to steal the Lin's manual?
Pokit,many thanks for your tireless hardword! I really appreciate it, and I do enjoy greatly the story

[MysteriouX]

how come the Yue couple said nothing when LHC has spoken? are they really so afraid of these 3 Songsan fellows?
Also dont they know by now that they tried to steal the Lin's manual?
Pokit,many thanks for your tireless hardword! I really appreciate it, and I do enjoy greatly the story

If you look back a few paragraphs, why why Yue Buqin quick to keep his daughter from saying anything about the 2 people that attacked her at the old Lin manor? It seemed more like he was trying to keep her quiet.

I'm guessing he knows the truth but doesnt want others to find out. Because if others knew about it, it would be 1 step closer for Linghu Chong to return to the Sect and clear his name. I am actually feeling that Yue Buqin knows more about Linghu Chong's innocence then others think.

And another strange matter is the fact that Yue Buqin is supposed to be a broad-minded honest and kind teacher as he was described in the very early parts of the novel. But now when concerning Linghu Chong, he is being petty and narrow-minded, he wont even listen to Linghu Chong's explanation. He and his wife raised Linghu Chong from a very young age, shouldn't they know how his behavior. And the know that Linghu Chong has suffered a very serious internal injury. Yet they keep seeing faults in him, like the time he fought those 15 masked men and he had to let them go because he didnt have anymore energy to fight.

Linghu Chong even risked his life to save Yilin in the first few chapters, and he was seriously wounded. Doesnt that say something about his character?

And 1 more point. Isnt the study of martial arts is to improve oneself? So if Linghu Chong was able to defeat his master wife's technique (for some reason it was considered to be invincible) in that cave, is that technique still invincible? If Yue Buqin was so broad-minded as he claims to be, why did he prevent Linghu Chong from exploring sword techniques.

[marktio]

i think this Yue fellow is a hypocrite
is the songsan fellow better than him in martial art?

[Grundle]

Mysterious you have it all wrong. When you are a disciple of a certain sect it is considered tabboo and offensive to learn another sect/schools martial arts without express permission from your Master. If you do it without his/her consent you are basically telling your Master that his skills are not good enough. Yue is probably highly offended that Linghu suddenly started using a sword skill that he didn't teach him, especially after raising him from a child. The reports of LHC's "evil deeds" only adds more injury to Yue.

The reason that Yue Buqun did not jump in for LHC is two-fold. First since he has publicly renounced LHC as his disciple he cannot take LHC's side over SongShan because that would mean that he went back on his word and the rest of the schools could not trust his reputation. Secondly LHC spoke out intentionally separating himself from Huashan school making it a matter between only Him and the Songshan masters. The only option the Yue Buqun and the rest of Huashan had is to wait on the sidelines for an opening without interfering. If LHC can get the Songshan masters to acknowlege and voice their evils out loud at that second Huashan will be absolved from having to save face and can jump in to help LHC and still abide by chivalry.

You have to look at every action as determined by the chivalrous code. LHC is so controversial because he does not judge people by their sect, but rather by their actions. He fell in with "evil" people who acted chivalrously towards him. The same thing happened to Liu Zhengfeng the headmaster of Hengshan School. LHC would also put himself into compromising positions just to save somebody else. He always acted according to chivalry, but seen from other people who don't know all the facts he came off as being "evil". One example is when he was dealing with the rapist Tian Boguang to save his martial sister Yilin.

[MysteriouX]

Mysterious you have it all wrong. When you are a disciple of a certain sect it is considered tabboo and offensive to learn another sect/schools martial arts without express permission from your Master. If you do it without his/her consent you are basically telling your Master that his skills are not good enough. Yue is probably highly offended that Linghu suddenly started using a sword skill that he didn't teach him, especially after raising him from a child. The reports of LHC's "evil deeds" only adds more injury to Yue.

The reason that Yue Buqun did not jump in for LHC is two-fold. First since he has publicly renounced LHC as his disciple he cannot take LHC's side over SongShan because that would mean that he went back on his word and the rest of the schools could not trust his reputation. Secondly LHC spoke out intentionally separating himself from Huashan school making it a matter between only Him and the Songshan masters. The only option the Yue Buqun and the rest of Huashan had is to wait on the sidelines for an opening without interfering. If LHC can get the Songshan masters to acknowlege and voice their evils out loud at that second Huashan will be absolved from having to save face and can jump in to help LHC and still abide by chivalry.

You have to look at every action as determined by the chivalrous code. LHC is so controversial because he does not judge people by their sect, but rather by their actions. He fell in with "evil" people who acted chivalrously towards him. The same thing happened to Liu Zhengfeng the headmaster of Hengshan School. LHC would also put himself into compromising positions just to save somebody else. He always acted according to chivalry, but seen from other people who don't know all the facts he came off as being "evil". One example is when he was dealing with the rapist Tian Boguang to save his martial sister Yilin.

Hmm if Yue Buqin was broad-minded, wouldnt he normally assume that Linghu Chong thought up those moves himself. After all, how many people from other sects come up to that cave to visit LHC? It could also be assumed that the move was one made in haste in self defense. After all, as a reader you are explaining with the knowledge that Linghu Chong learned the Anti-5-Mountain Alliance stances, but Yue Buqin doesnt know that fact.

And you dont have to learn another sect's sword skill, you can just observe and learn from it. I dont fully know what it was like for them back in those days, or what other schools of today do. But personally, I dont mind the fact that students at the dojo I am a member learn and experience techniques from other dojos. Even for myself, even though the dojo is strictly teaching bujutsu, our sensei encourages us to study and observe other techniques too, and try to combine it with his own teachings. And for those new students joining (i'm an assistant instructor) the first thing I tell them is "we teach bujutsu, but I also advise you not to underestimate other dojos, infact learn from them, observe them. And try to let your observations help you into having a better understanding of martial arts." Well what I am basically saying is, if I were Yue Buqin, thats how I would act. Instead of blaming Linghu Chong, first I would ask him why he used that skill and how he came to learn of it. And then try to find out if there was anyway to improve my own technique or add another additional stance to counter the opponent's move so I would not be caught off guard.

There were thousands of martial artists in those days, and many of them were probably more intelligent then Linghu Chong. If he hadnt used that move to counter his master wife's sword, I bet you that 1 day in the future (if the story went in a certain direction) that someone else would have used the same move and she would be in an even more serious trouble. Its like Sun Tzu wrote, know your enemy and know yourself, it is the key to complete victory. When I practice at the dojo, I am always looking for any ways to break my own moves and then counter those breaking moves. Like Feng Qinyang said, sword moves are static but the person is living and dynamic.

Well I cant say much about sword skills for Yue Buqin and HuaShan sect because according to the story, they mainly focused on Chi (Qi) instead of sword moves.

If Yue Buqin was a wise person, wouldnt he know the personality of someone he and his wife raised as their child?

I understand why Linghu Chong said those words and why Yue Buqin couldnt interfere. I also understand how Linghu Chong judges people.

But what I am saying is the so called broad-minded gentleman sword Yue Buqin seems to be the opposite of his name. We find at several small instances that he acts that way. The story seems to have parts where they seem to show his true nature or so. Well maybe I am just a supporter of LHC, and just carefully reading the story and trying to look beyond what is written down in words.

Oh and I bet you all the money in the world that Yue Buqin will never let his daughter explain to anyother then himself that those 2 SongShan elders tried to steal the secret sword manual.

[pokit]

Just as Linghu Chong was stepping out of the escort house, he saw a group of nuns and women standing outside the main door. They were the female disciples from Heng-Shan School. Yihe and Zheng E were walking in front of the group holding a visit box.

(Translator's note: A visit box is a wooden box containing the visitor's calling card which is given to the host's servants at the gate to be presented to the host.)

It seemed that they had just arrived to pay a visit to Yue Buqun and Madam Yue. Linghu Chong was startled and he hastily turned his head around not wanting to meet them but Yihe and the other disciples had already seen him. But it was good that Yilin was right at the back of the group and didn't manage to see his appearance.

As soon as Zhong Zhen and his two martial brothers stepped out of the door, Yihe and Zheng E recognised them. Startled, they stopped where they were. Linghu Chong thought, "Heng-Shan School's disciples already know that my Master is here so they came here to visit. There's my Master and Master-Wife to tend to them here so they won't suffer a loss." He didn't want to meet Yilin so he slipped away to the side wanting to get away.

Simultaneously, Zhong Zhen, Deng Bagong, and Gao Kexin drew their swords out and jumped in front of him and shouted, "You want to run away?"

Linghu Chong laughed, "I don't have any weapon. How do I fight?"

At this time, Yue Buqun, Madam Yue and the rest of the Huashan School's disciples had arrived at the door wanting to see how Linghu Chong would cope with Zhong Zhen and his two martial brothers. Yue Lingshan pulled her sword out of the scabbard and shouted, "Big...” intending to toss the sword to him. But Yue Buqun extended his left hand and used two fingers to hit the top of her sword shaking it. Yue Lingshan pleaded, "Dad!" But Yue Buqun just shook his head. Linghu Chong had turned around and saw all this and he was reassured, "Little martial sister still care for me like in the old days." Suddenly, a few people shouted in surprise.

Linghu Chong knew that someone must have started a sneak attack. There wasn't enough time to turn his head around so he immediately jumped forward. His internal energy was very deep, so his jump was very high and fast which enabled him to escape from that attack. But he still heard the sound of the wind at the back of his head as a sword was slashed down close to the back of his body. If he had jumped a fraction of a second later or not used enough energy, he would have been half a foot closer and his body would have been split in two. He had luckily escaped from a very dangerous situation.

Linghu Chong immediately turned his head around as soon as he landed. He heard someone yelling and saw moving white lights. It was the Heng-Shan School's female disciples joining the fight. They had divided into three groups of seven people each. Each of the group separately surrounded one person. This instance of pulling out the swords, moving, surrounding, fighting and movement of the swords were done extremely fast especially when aided with their qinggong. Their movements were also beautiful. It was obvious that they had practised this type of fighting formation. Each of their swords was pointed at the enemy's head, throat, chest, stomach, waist, back, and side. These seven places on their bodies were threatened simultaneously. Once the formation was completed, the seven disciples all stopped moving.

It was Zhong Zhen who sneakily attacked Linghu Chong just then. After hearing Linghu Chong's harmful speech towards Songshan School, he tried to take advantage of Linghu Chong's unpreparedness and tried to kill him. He wanted to get rid of a potential informant in order to prevent him from saying more which might increase Yue Buqun's suspicion. Even though he executed an extremely deadly move, his opponent still managed to escape. And now the Heng-Shan School's disciples had finished their formation. Although his martial art was high, he couldn't move at all. If he even moved a muscle then a sword would pierce into his body.

[pokit]

Remember what Linghu Chong thought when he was spying on LPZ and YLS? He thought that his master must have thought that he had embezzled the evil resisting sword manual. So they all thought that he was using the evil resisting sword art to defeat his Master-Wife's move on that cliff.

Then again when he defeated that elder using a broom. LHC used the move from inside the cave, while the others must have thought he was using evil resisting sword art.

This is the reason why they all thought LHC is a bad person. And of course, they all knew about him and Xiang Wentian killing many orthodox school's people. And with Yingying killing Shaolin and Kunlun disciples.

[Demonic Swordsman]

thanx for the update..great work

[kyss of the sword]

refering to MysteriouX's post, it's not against wulin rules too learn other skills from other sects. yue buqun imself knows some qingcang sect swordskills. he taught some to his disiple who spyed on qingcang sect. LHC himself thaught that his teacher always said 'stones from other mountains can polish ones on ours'. a teacher would eplain the theories and styles of other sects as much as he understands to his disiples so they would have a broad knowledge and be better able to win in fights. understand the sikills of your opponent is invaluable in battle. but following the principle ' learn one move for ten yrs, become a master. learn a thousand moves for twenty yrs, learn nothing' you are supposed to concentrate on the skills of your school. you can use your knowledge of other schools to improve your own schools skills but not disregard it in favour of something else.
but a point to make, LHC was not expelled for learning a skill strange to his school but for learning it without permission and not revealing it's scource. also the skills from the cave walls were orignated from KHBD so they would have some similarities through all lin pingzhi knows is pixie swordplays outer shell so he wouldn't be able to recogonize the similarities. but it's strangness convinced them along with DG9J that he stole pixie jianfa. stealing skills is a huge cime in wulin, bigger then learning without permission.

[MysteriouX]

What I find very strange is that many times, only after Linghu Chong has killed someone, does another person come up and say the victem was from an orthdox school. (we can exclude the Shaolin and Kun Lun incident here since Shaolin members are bound to be obvious, unless someone can actually dress up as a Shaolin monk and cause trouble).

That night, Linghu Chong saw 2 people stealing something from his martial sister and Lin Pinzi. Well even if they were from the an ally school, if they tried to steal something from their own allies, shouldnt they be stopped? And how is Linghu Chong supposed to know they were from SongShen school. Not like they were wearing badges or something. And even if they used weapons similar to SongShen's, who can say that those 2 were just pretending to be its members.

I dare say, Linghu Chong seems to have a large streak of bad luck following him wherever he goes. Anytime he kills, the next day someone will come up to him and ask why he killed a fellow orthdox school member. My advice next time, dont kill anyone no matter what least he gets blamed later for killing a fellow alliance member. Of all Jin Yong's main characters, he seems to be the one who has the worst luck. (I havent read DGSD fully so I dont know about any people from that story).

[Yang Guo]

yeah you know what... try Linked Cities... that guy had it pretty rough too

[pokit]

Yue Buqun and Madam Yue didn't know that Heng-Shan School and Zhong Zhen's party had met before in Nianbapu town. They were greatly surprised when both parties started to fight each other. The fighting formation of the Heng-Shan School's disciples looked wonderful once it was completed. Twenty-one people were divided into three groups and their twenty-one swords trembled slightly as cold lights flickered around the area. Besides their sleeves floating in the air, everything else was totally still but there were unbounded murderous opportunities in their formation.

When Linghu Chong turned around to protect himself, he saw how Heng-Shan School started and completed their fighting formations with seven swords attacking and surrounding each enemy. He did not find any flaw at all in the formation, as if it had been executed with "No move to break a move" sword intention from Dugu Nine Swords. He cheered out loud, "Wonderful! What a splendid sword formation!"

Seeing that he had been completely restrained, Zhong Zhen suddenly laughed, dropped his sword and offered, "Everyone is on the same side. What kind of joke are we playing here? I admit defeat, ok?" Yihe was leading the group surrounding him. When she saw that the enemy admitted defeat and dropped his sword, she withdrew her sword. The remaining six people also withdrew their swords. To their surprise, Zhong Zhen used his left foot to kick his long sword up and hit its handle with his hand to shoot the sword forward. As the sword pierced Yihe's right arm, she uttered an "ah" and dropped her sword.

Zhong Zhen laughed as he moved like lightning injuring Heng-Shan School's disciples one by one. In the ensuing confusion, the other fourteen disciples in the other two formations were distracted. Deng Bagong and Gao Kexin simultaneously took advantage of this to launch their attacks. Immediately, there were sounds of swords clashing. Linghu Chong grabbed Yihe's sword from the ground and struck out. There were sounds of "qiang lang", "ah", "hey", and many others as he hit the back of Gao Kexin's hand causing him drop his sword, made Deng Bagong's soft whip turn over and wrap around his own neck, and struck Zhong Zhen's hand forcing him to retreat a few steps. But Zhong Zhen still managed to feebly hold on to his trembling sword with a weakened hand.

Two girls sharply called out; one shouted, "General Wu!" while the other cried, "Big brother Linghu!” Zheng E was the one who called out "General Wu!” The way Linghu Chong made these three people retreat with his sword art was identical to the sword art used to defeat these three people in Nianbapu's inn. Gao Kexin was at a loss, Deng Bagong was choking while Zhong Zhen was startled and angry at the same time. Zheng E had a sharp mind and she had previously seen Linghu Chong used this move. Although his appearance and clothes were now completely different, she still managed to recognise him immediately from his sword move.

The other person who called out, "Big brother Linghu!" was of course Yilin. She was in the group with Yizhen and Yizhi surrounding Deng Bagong. While they were in formation, everyone was concentrating completely and their eyes were observing the enemy closely. With their eyes so focused, they only saw the point that each was aiming at. The person aiming at the head was only looking at the head and the person aiming at the chest was only looking at the chest. They didn't look at any other parts of the enemy's body. So naturally, they didn't even see the person next to them. Only when the formation was scattered, she was able to see Linghu Chong.

Yilin had not seen him for more than a year when he suddenly appeared in front of her. Yilin’s whole body shook and she was feeling giddy. Now that he had been recognized, Linghu Chong realized that he wouldn't be able to conceal his identity anymore. He laughed and chided, "Your granny, you three chaps don't know about good and evil. Heng-Shan School's Shi Tai already spared you a life but you unexpectedly return their kindness with enmity. General isn't pleased in seeing this at all. I... I... " Suddenly, he felt dazed, his vision darkened and with his legs giving out, he fell down on the ground heavily.

Yilin rushed forward quickly to support him and worriedly called out, "Big brother Linghu, big brother Linghu!" She then saw his right shoulder and arm were bleeding profusely. She took out her school's "White Cloud Bear Gallbladder" medicine pill from her sleeve and fed it to him. Zheng E and Yizhen also took out their school's "Heavenly Connecting Glue" and applied it to his wounds. Each of the Heng-Shan School's disciples was grateful to him for helping them. If he hadn't helped them that day, each of them would have lost her life. Not only would they have died miserably, they might also have been insulted by those evildoers.

Heng-Shan disciples busied themselves applying medicines, wiping blood and wrapping the wounds up. They were doing all these tasks with all their hearts. When any female in the world has met with this kind of urgent situation, they would start talking incessantly. Even though Heng-Shan School disciples were warriors of Wulin, they weren't exempt from this female trait. They were all talking at once as they surrounded Linghu Chong. Some were sighing, some were showing concern, some were asking who hurt my General, and some were saying that the attacker was vicious and heartless. They were all talking about different things while some were also reciting "Amituofu". Huashan School's people were quite surprised when they saw this scene unfolding in front of them.

Yue Buqun thought to himself, "Heng-Shan School's disciples are highly disciplined. Why are these female disciples acting in this way? They're actually fussing over this loafer Linghu Chong and staring at him, not even observing the proper distance between man and woman. They're also calling him big brother and general. When has this young thief become a general? They're really ignorant and have become muddleheaded. How come there is no Heng-Shan School elder in charge of them?"

Zhong Zhen made a hand signal to his two martial brothers and they immediately pointed their weapons and rushed at Linghu Chong. They knew that if this person were not eliminated, they would have endless trouble in the future. Moreover, they had lost twice under his sword. This was a good opportunity to get rid of this person while he was still unconscious.

[Demonic Swordsman]

ah...dirty swine...attacking an injured man

thanx for the update

[myko85]

is it just me, or does LHC seem to collapse in exhaustion a lot?

Thanks for the update pokit

[CC]

is it just me, or does LHC seem to collapse in exhaustion a lot?

Thanks for the update pokit

Of all the main JY main characters, he is the single most injured man. I think the sum of the injuries of all the other characters (maybe except Di Yun) is less then what LHC gets in the whole book.

[SkineePanda]

That is true, his first official appearance was when he laying in bed about to die. And before that Yilin described how cut up and stabbed he was in her account.

[line7]

oh man, thanks for the translation!!

[line7]

What I find very strange is that many times, only after Linghu Chong has killed someone, does another person come up and say the victem was from an orthdox school. (we can exclude the Shaolin and Kun Lun incident here since Shaolin members are bound to be obvious, unless someone can actually dress up as a Shaolin monk and cause trouble).

That night, Linghu Chong saw 2 people stealing something from his martial sister and Lin Pinzi. Well even if they were from the an ally school, if they tried to steal something from their own allies, shouldnt they be stopped? And how is Linghu Chong supposed to know they were from SongShen school. Not like they were wearing badges or something. And even if they used weapons similar to SongShen's, who can say that those 2 were just pretending to be its members.

I dare say, Linghu Chong seems to have a large streak of bad luck following him wherever he goes. Anytime he kills, the next day someone will come up to him and ask why he killed a fellow orthdox school member. My advice next time, dont kill anyone no matter what least he gets blamed later for killing a fellow alliance member. Of all Jin Yong's main characters, he seems to be the one who has the worst luck. (I havent read DGSD fully so I dont know about any people from that story).

ah, At that time it wasn't probably right to go around killing people. Because of the struture of the "jiang hu", the only people you can kill are those from evil cults. Those "orthdox" cult all put on a fake rightous air, all those stealings and backstabbing are obivously covered up.

but revenge still have to be taken, So this "orthdox" people use their "masks" to try to extract revenge saying the "hero" is wrong.

Alot of JY's novels have that.

[line7]

how come the Yue couple said nothing when LHC has spoken? are they really so afraid of these 3 Songsan fellows?
Also dont they know by now that they tried to steal the Lin's manual?
Pokit,many thanks for your tireless hardword! I really appreciate it, and I do enjoy greatly the story

you will have to read on to find out why yue buqun didnt say a word.