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Thread: Zhang WuJi vs Golden Wheel Monk: a battle of chokemeisters

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    YG didn't want to go head on with GWM's palms either. He made several maneuvers to avoid head-on attacks. GWM probably had the strongest palm at the end of ROCH of anyone.

    To be fair, ZBT had to retreat a step after taking on YG's palm head on.

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    This actually levels up GWM in my eyes. He has the strongest palm in the condor trilogy then(I doubt Z3F or ZWJ can match GJ/YG in palm department), which would mean he might have the highest internal energy of everyone in Condor Trilogy.

    And his track record post-16 years is definitely not unimpressive. When he fought Yideng, and ZBT, he also had eagles and HR distracting him, yet he was doing pretty well. Just looking at GWM post-16 years, its hard to tell he's actually even a choker.

    Usually ZWJ relies on overpowering foes with ridiculous internal, and if he encounters someone with higher internal then himself, I don't doubt he would find trouble.

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    I'm not so sure. Even though Jinlun Guoshi had a powerful palm, he didn't dare meet Yideng's finger.

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    Most of the time GWM choked was against YG or XLN. It's hard to say if YG is just his kryptonite or if GWM is a choker against everyone. He held is own against Yideng, HYS, and ZBT, didn't really lose against GJ, and killed QQR. It's not like he didn't have experience fighting people on the great level, and in those bouts he did fairly well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    I'm not so sure. Even though Jinlun Guoshi had a powerful palm, he didn't dare meet Yideng's finger.
    From the English translation:

    Fawang was about to turn around to parry any attack that came his way; but then he heard a light sound coming towards him. A luxuriant but gentle energy force was surging towards his face. Reverend Yideng had used his renowned “Solitary Yang Finger” to block Jinlun Fawang. Fawang had not considered this monk to be an expert; little did he realize that the energy released from his index finger was that powerful. Reverend Yideng’s level of the “Solitary Yang Finger” had reached the level of ultimate proficiency and perfection, the god-like energy released was pure, gentle but also abundant and forceful; impossible to block.

    Fawang was shocked and moved aside to avoid that blast; he immediately returned with a palm attack. Reverend Yideng saw that his palm was extremely fierce and aggressive and did not dare to block it; he glided away a few steps.

    One was an enlightened, eminent Buddhist monk from the south; the other was an extraordinary Buddhist virtuoso from the west; each had just exchanged one stance and did not dare to underestimate his adversary.

    Zhou Botong enjoyed his one-on-one duel with the Fawang, but when Reverend Yideng joined the battle he felt it was uninteresting. So he stood aside and observed the battle.

    In the beginning there was only one meter or so in between Reverend Yideng and Fawang; but soon, after dodging palm blasts and evading finger fire, the gap between them gradually became wider. They were now standing about four meters apart from each other and used their internal strengths to battle each other from afar.

    Huang Rong was observing from the side and saw that the condensation emitted from Reverend Yideng’s head was becoming denser and denser. She knew that he kept gathering his internal power and feared that, because of his old age, he would not be able to withstand Fawang.

    She was devastated by the death of her beloved daughter and wished to step in and help but knew the two of them were battling each other with internal energy and could not intervene now. She did not know what to do at this point, and then she suddenly heard her eagles shrieking. She whistled to them and pointed at Fawang.

    The pair of white eagles called loudly and dove towards the head of Fawang. If it was the Divine Eagle of Yang Guo, Fawang might be a bit afraid. Even though these two white eagles were grand, they were still ordinary birds, Fawang was not afraid of mere birds. He was still battling Reverend Yideng with everything he had and could not divert his attention to something else. Suddenly a pair of white eagles dove towards him; he could only use his left palm to strike out at the eagles. Two forceful palm energies surged towards the eagles. The eagles could not cope with such force and immediately flew up higher. Nonetheless because of this diversion Reverend Yideng immediately gained the upper hand. Fawang struck out a few times with his left palm bringing the battle to a draw again.

    The eagles heard the repeated commands from Huang Rong, but their enemy’s power was too strong and could only resort to creating a diversion. They would cry out loudly and make diving attacks at Fawang, but when they were a few centimeters away from him they would withdraw the attacks. They could avoid his palms but they could not injure him. They only managed to disturb the concentration of Fawang.

    When experts are in battle, their concentration must be at its peak. That was the only way their internal strengths could be fully utilized. The palm energies released by Fawang were superior to Reverend Yideng’s but when it came to self cultivation he was very much inferior to the Reverend. Furthermore he was intensely saddened by the lost of Guo Xiang, which affected his state of mind and now the eagles kept pestering him adding more frustration to his spirits.
    As far as palm strength goes, JLGS's was better than Yideng's finger. HR also feared that YD would lose because of his old age.

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    Well I vote for Wuji his martial arts and skills seems suitable to deal with someone like JLFW at least on paper but in actual it's hard to determine which would be prevail..

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    Cheung Mo Gei due to hero factor and protagonist shield. He chokes against people weaker than him, but against an opponent who is at least his equal...who knows? Maybe he'll overperform for a change.

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    Fang Dongbai's sword skills were well respected: Zhang Wuji did not choke with Taiji Jian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    Fang Dongbai's sword skills were well respected: Zhang Wuji did not choke with Taiji Jian.
    He did great against the "Eight-Armed Swordsman," and then somehow got punked by the Yeun Ming Elders one minute later. That's Cheung Mo Gei for you. He would probably defeat the Golden Wheel Monk and then somehow lose to the Mo Brothers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    He did great against the "Eight-Armed Swordsman," and then somehow got punked by the Yeun Ming Elders one minute later. That's Cheung Mo Gei for you. He would probably defeat the Golden Wheel Monk and then somehow lose to the Mo Brothers.
    Zhang Wuji also did great against Kongxing and preformed the Shaolin Dragon Claws even better than him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Cheung Mo Gei due to hero factor and protagonist shield. He chokes against people weaker than him, but against an opponent who is at least his equal...who knows? Maybe he'll overperform for a change.
    Wuji skills seems more than enough to match up with JLFW IMHO..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    Wuji skills seems more than enough to match up with JLFW IMHO..
    He have 9 Yang and Tai Chi breathing method vs JLFW 10th Dragon/Elephant Prajna

    He have Holy Fire Tablet vs JLFW 5 wheels

    He have Persian "weird" martial arts vs JLFW other skills

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    He have 9 Yang and Tai Chi breathing method vs JLFW 10th Dragon/Elephant Prajna
    Should be a good match.

    He have Holy Fire Tablet vs JLFW 5 wheels
    To bat away or smash the wheels?

    He have Persian "weird" martial arts vs JLFW other skills
    That should mess the Golden Wheel Monk up badly. He HATES weird techniques.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Should be a good match.



    To bat away or smash the wheels?



    That should mess the Golden Wheel Monk up badly. He HATES weird techniques.
    Yeeep with Holy Fire Tablet in his hand Wuji could at least "guarding" himself so JLFW couldn't getting advantage on him again..

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    Cheung Mo Gei never faced a foe more powerful than him after he mastered 9 Yeung Jen Ging and Keen Kwun Dai Loi Yee, so his various defeats were all chokes. Now against someone equal or perhaps even slightly more powerful, I think he might do surprisingly well simply because (hopefully) he'd figure that he can't afford to fool around...be too considerate and merciful or let down his guard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Cheung Mo Gei never faced a foe more powerful than him after he mastered 9 Yeung Jen Ging and Keen Kwun Dai Loi Yee, so his various defeats were all chokes. Now against someone equal or perhaps even slightly more powerful, I think he might do surprisingly well simply because (hopefully) he'd figure that he can't afford to fool around...be too considerate and merciful or let down his guard.
    Honestly I wouldn't dare to said that JLFW was better than Wuji except in weapon combat..

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