Team War: GJ + XF vs YG + ZWJ

[Exodus]

ZWJ may not have faced a Great level fighter, but he has faced the combination that would practically equal to a Great level fighter. 3 Du Generation combo with their incredible teamwork is virtually a Great. If we had put any of the original Greats in there, then any of the original Greats would probably lose due to exhaustion. ZWJ was not able to beat the monks with real arts. He was winning because of endurance. Endurance is something that a 90 years old Great lacks. And since a 90 year old Great can't win with true arts, he won't be able to use the stall out method like ZWJ could have used.

as good as the 3 Du monks work together they were still 3 people using a formation just like the 6 monks at the celestial temple using 6msj as a formation and we all know that DY with his 6msj is far superior to them.

we are not talking about the other greats here if we were however ZWJ would win due to endurance. but with XF and GJ especially XF ZWJ won't have the advantage of endurance here...

[Candide]

So many people completely miss the point of the Brightness Peak battle. What ZWJ had to do wasn't to defeat the 6 schools, or to beat people up. He was trying to make people respect him enough to leave and stop the slaughtering of the Ming cult. Take his fight with Kong Xiang for instance. After a few moves, he knew that he could easily kill this monk but he had to think hard to find a way to defeat him but still save his face, make friends with Shaolin and make them leave willingly.

I don't think XF, YG or GJ could do that at 21 years of age, fresh out of a cave.

[yittz]

6 People using 6MSJ formation is no where near as synergistic as the 3 Du monks. JMZ would not have been able to take on the 6 monks if it was a non-6MSJ only fight.

[PJ]

I don't think XF, YG or GJ could do that at 21 years of age, fresh out of a cave.

My friend, You missed Linghu Chong, the most generous gentleman in the Jin Yong universe.

[Whsie]

as good as the 3 Du monks work together they were still 3 people using a formation just like the 6 monks at the celestial temple using 6msj as a formation and we all know that DY with his 6msj is far superior to them.

we are not talking about the other greats here if we were however ZWJ would win due to endurance. but with XF and GJ especially XF ZWJ won't have the advantage of endurance here...

The 3 Du were as one. As good as the 6 monks of celestial temple were, their formation wasn't as good as the jin gang fu mou chuan practiced over 10 years (I can't remeber the approx year). They all have to have near the same level of thinking, like one body. That's where to practice the 4 Wu.

Nope, GJ and ZWJ would have the endurance advantage here . You have to realize the arts they use. ZWJ could win because all his arts are conservatists while XF's is much more energy depleting. Though the 3rd edition of XF's palm did get better, but it's still is energy depleting. XL28Z is still an energy eater. ZWJ's Tai chi and others are soft and in addition Tai Chi breathing gives ZWJ an even better advantage on the endurance area. GJ would have the advantage in endurance because of the palms. XF's palm sometimes uses energy when that energy can't hit the opponent. GJ only uses energy when it can hit the opponent. It may not sound that much within a few stances, but if it goes above 300 stances, the energy difference would surely start become noticeable.

[Candide]

My friend, You missed Linghu Chong, the most generous gentleman in the Jin Yong universe.

Well, LHC had his chance in a similar-ish situation (the scale, the importance and the fact that people were killing each other like crazy) but he totally blew it because he wanted to make his beloved simei happy.

[AnhHung]

To CC: if we consider that ZWJ knows 7 Hurts fist (which de does), then we should also count shaolin dragonclaws.

To Candide: I agree that no one else could do what ZWJ did at the Ming Peak. He controlled his anger in an impressive way after one of the Shaolin monk cursing his father. If it was XF or GY, the monk would have died, and hell would break out.

The reasons for that I like ZWJ are his kindness and forgiving nature. All his fights had an intention, and it wasnt to kill or hurt the opponent. JY armed this guy with all the best "passive" techniques; let the opponent attack first.

In the wudan battle, he had no problem defeating the three Ahs. But that is after he decided to really hurt them. At first he tried to beat them in terms of technique. This clearly shows the potential of ZWJ when he first decides to really fight.

So ZWJ has the ability to go beserk as well. He just doesnt want to. Therefore I dont think he is less of a fighter than XF. Remember that the battle of Ming Peak was ZWJ first real fight. He had no attacking technique and had no instructions on fighting strategies. IMO he did pretty well.

[Exodus]

So ZWJ has the ability to go beserk as well. He just doesnt want to. Therefore I dont think he is less of a fighter than XF. Remember that the battle of Ming Peak was ZWJ first real fight. He had no attacking technique and had no instructions on fighting strategies. IMO he did pretty well.

who wouldn't do well with his inner power and QKDNQ

[Dennis Chen]

who wouldn't do well with his inner power and QKDNQ

Who wouldn't do well being taught by one of the best fighters in Shaolin and the leader of Gai Bang since the age of 6 or 7.

[Dennis Chen]

who wouldn't do well with his inner power and QKDNQ

Who wouldn't do well with Demon Subduing Palm inner power and XL28Z?

Btw, Zhang Wuji EARNED his inner power by practicing it endlessly for 5 years straight.

[Candide]

He earned it in many more ways, not just that. The total practice time was also longer. You need to count the time he spent learning medicine as well, as it helped a lot with his martial arts training afterwards.

[Whsie]

He earned it in many more ways, not just that. The total practice time was also longer. You need to count the time he spent learning medicine as well, as it helped a lot with his martial arts training afterwards.

Yep, he understood where all the bloodvessels and names from learning medicine. Or else, he wouldn't have even able to practice 9 Yang because he doesn't know how and where to direct the chi flow.

[AnhHung]

ZWJ had no real teacher. His god-father focused on teaching mnenomics and his father focus only on basics wudan skills for a few months. He had a few months with Z3F after the wudan battle, but they focus on merging taichi and QKDNY. Everything else he had to learn by him self; Medicine, 9 yang, QKDNY and taichi. If he had learned fighting strategies like XF, GJ or YG, then who knows.

My point is that ZWJ has great talent and he is not a poor fighter. He is just not as educated as the other. He showed that he is an able fighter in the final battle at Shaolin, when his INTENTION was to beat the monks period, and not beat them in terms of technique.

Back to the topic. If everybody is at their peak and fighting mode is on, then I cant see any other possibility than a draw.

OT again: I only see XF to really fight in this battle. He is the only one that would enjoy to fight for fighting sake.

[augster123]

OT again: I only see XF to really fight in this battle. He is the only one that would enjoy to fight for fighting sake.

XF, a true barbarian.

[Whsie]

XF, a true barbarian.

what can you expect? He is a Khitan. Khitan are barbarians who enjoy hunting and fighting.

[Dennis Chen]

Did you know that even today, the Khitan written language is intelligible? Nobody knows how to read it.

[chibidaisuke]

I have a bad feeling that all four of them will end up dead.

Except that Zhang Wuji will be the FIRST to end up dead.

[HuangRong]

Except that Zhang Wuji will be the FIRST to end up dead.

yes. GJ at least can hold off YG for 100 moves, and XF wipes out ZWJ in about 30. so GJ+XF wins!

[St3v3]

So many people completely miss the point of the Brightness Peak battle. What ZWJ had to do wasn't to defeat the 6 schools, or to beat people up. He was trying to make people respect him enough to leave and stop the slaughtering of the Ming cult. Take his fight with Kong Xiang for instance. After a few moves, he knew that he could easily kill this monk but he had to think hard to find a way to defeat him but still save his face, make friends with Shaolin and make them leave willingly.

I don't think XF, YG or GJ could do that at 21 years of age, fresh out of a cave.

Don't say 21 years old, a leader of wulin fighter, at 30 years old, trust a words from widow who slept with most of the men in the tianxia without checking the truth properly, killed his own lover, after killing dozens of wulin fighter for her. I really don't understand the model of leadership