It doesn't work believe me
because somehow I said all of this in another topic but it didn't work
https://www.spcnet.tv/forums/showthr...haoying/page21
even in this post I gave them three references from SPW but again it didn't work
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Among all of the JY's main novels , SPW is The most oppressed one.
Why?
I do not know.
Hum
Answer the question by asking the question
by the way
what do you mean?
ِDoes it even make sense?
Why should we ignore DFBB ultra fast speed for YG's sake?
It is very ridiculous that for sake of on side (YG) ignore other side's huge huge huge advantage.
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Well because I believe YG (also GJ) and DFBB more or less equal though DFBB might be slightly better due his demonic speed and superb agility just like Mohammad Ali and George Foreman which Ali advantage is on his great foot-work/agility and speed while Foreman on his super-human and brute force what I want to say is though Ali could defeat Foreman (which he did) it's doesn't mean Foreman couldn't fight back Ali or even K.O Ali so regarding DFBB vs Condor Greats (especially GJ/YG) I would vote 51:49 for DFBB side
To all posters on the Wuxia Fiction forum:
After deep thoughts, I think @Ken Cheng, @Athena, @Ren Wo Xing, and other posters were right.
Why do I need to push @WuxiaMaster to revise his official rankings base on my analysis and likings?
A few months ago I came to this forum and to my surprise, it was dead as the Death Valley, no new exciting threads and no posters to be found.
My two goals were to revive the Wuxia Fiction forum and also persuade @WuxiaMaster to revise some characters' levels.
However, there is a lot of politics going on, so revising these characters' levels is not popular among the posters here.
I have accomplished my first goal and somewhat contributed to this forum and made it more lively than a few months ago.
And it could also be said that I have accomplished my second goal, at least I have learned more about the characters that I like.
My personal analysis have not changed regarding Yang Guo.
If Jinyong were still alive, he would not be too specific when comparing two characters' martial arts, especially from different novels. The reason is because he would not want to downgrade the characters that he created and also would not want a public outrage.
All in all, I have accomplished my goals and my campaign ends here.
Respectfully,
FeilongZ
That's why I never over-hype YG😶😶😶😶
back to topic,
@WuxiaMaster
i think you made a typo (on the bold one), it should be lv 40: Hu Fei (XSFH), not (FHWZ).
also there was no character name "Miao Fan Tian" in XSFH, so you need to remove it, if you mean those were their surname, then Tian Boguang is not as strong as Miao Renfeng and Hu Yidao.
then i found out that the only protagonist you didnt put on your list is Chen Jialuo from The book and the sword. so to make it complete, let's me propose his estimatation power level,
i couldnt find any link of his feat vs heroes from other JY's novel at the moment, so i can only point out some things:
- Chen Jialuo appeared in 2 novels, TBTS as the main protagonist, and FHWZ as minor character (or cameo appearance), in FHWZ , he easily had the upper hand position in just a few moves vs adolescent Hu Fei when they fought.
- he was not the strongest character in TBTS, not even top three
- he was 25 years old in TBTS, and about 35 years old in FHWZ (age can be a factor too right, we cannot ignore it at all)
- his secret weapon is Go pieces, CMIIW it is just a standard Go piece, not made by metal or hard-type material (like yuan chengzi's), so i can say that his internal energy is deep to use such item as a projectile weapon
- Duo black-white ghost Chang Hezhi and Chang Bozhi from red flower society, were just one or two levels above average fighter in TBTS, let's say C+ or B- , but in FHWZ, they were regarded as top pugilist (A-rated) . so the deterioration theory play here
- Qing Dynasty era , so maximum only lv. 40
i think we should give Chen Jialuo (TBTS) a lv.30 , and Chen Jialuo (FHWZ) a lv.40 (at the same level with Miao Renfeng and Hu Fei XSFH).
anyone can share their idea, especially if you read all the three novels.
so my final personal opinion:
LV 40: Miao Ren Feng (XSFH)
LV 40: Hu Fei (XSFH)
LV40: Chen Jialuo (FHWZ)
LV 35: Miao Ren Feng (XSFH) – When he fought Hu Yi Dao
LV 35: Hu Yi Dao (XSFH)
LV 30: Chen JIaluo (TBTS)
LV 22: Hu Fei (FHWZ) – End of FHWZ
Best Wuxia author of all time : master Jin Yong
*sorry, i meant Tian Guinongthen Tian Boguang is not as strong as Miao Renfeng and Hu Yidao.
Hey guys, no need to get all worked up. Hope we can preserve the friendly atmosphere here. It's always good to spice things up and offer new point of views (without being overbearing of course)
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On past few pages of discussion:
1. The controversy of SPW power level is brought up once again. On one hand we have people who think SPW novel should be ranked lower, due mainly to declining martial arts theory and the lack of emphasis on internal (e.g. LHC with no internal being able to dominate most of Wulin). SPW-naysayers feel DFBB should be LV75 (Condor Great), and everyone else should be adjusted down accordingly. The general Wulin would be much weaker (5 mountain leaders would be low lv30s). There were also posts wanting to nerf Chongxu to Wudang 7 heroes tier which would absolutely crush SPW levels.
2. On the other hand, we have mutliple evidence and feats by characters (XWT during his apperance, FZ mastering YJJ which is stated to have been preserved fully in Shaolin for hundred of years. No evidence that it is a different copy from DGSD). It is hard not to place FZ at ~Great level.
Previously DFBB was ranked as high as LV85 and was adjusted downwards (lowering his 1vX feat due to his 'demonic speed') Overall, I feel the chart has done its best to find a delicate balance between the two views.
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On Yang Guo, I will say that GWM and QQR are well known unperformers. In fact, this is stated in the FAQ on the first page which I will copy and paste here:
"There are several instance where the author narrative and a character actual performance differs greatly - most notably in Qiu Qian Ren and Jinlun Fawang case. For example:
1. Based on author narrative - We could rank Qiu Qian Ren 1 LV below the 4 Greats.
2. Based on actual performance - We could rank Qiu Qian Ren 5 to 8 LV below the 4 Greats."
The same thing occurs with GWM. If we judge solely by JY description, he would seem to be just 2-3 LV below GJ. However, this is obviously not the case. (Mongol Camp battle, thought LMC is worthy opponent, loss against XLN, list goes on....)
Hence, I would give very little credit to this events:
1. JY saying that Yideng can only hope to inch out a win against QQR after 1000 blow.
2. An offscreen fight between QQR and GWM (2 underperfomers) which last a whole day.
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Thanks a_tumiwa for the suggestions/error spotting. I am not familar with the The Book and Sword, so I'll incorporate in your rankings directly. You can see from the errors that people here are really not interested in the lower ranks - which is why these errors can slip pass for so many years.
Personally, I feel that the Great tier have been "discussed to death" (some for decade long), so it will really take some convincing to move them. On the other hand, the lower ranks are very rough and not explored in detail. I am sure there is a lot of room to move them around (e.g. QZ leaders, Wudang Heroes, 5 Mountain Sect Leaders tier and below)
Last edited by WuxiaMaster; 08-29-21 at 11:28 AM.
Personally I agree with SPW characters ranking except for FQY he rank too high IMHO..
- he come from sword-faction so his inner strength should be not very good
- he never fought (and win) against someone at DFBB or great-level especially against all-rounded fighters with great palm skill like GJ or LDA expert like YD
- RWX only said about his supremacy in sword art not as a all-rounded martial artist
So I suggested FQY at Lv 74 based on his overall skills not only at swordmanship
Does anybody really think Lin Yuantu is Wang Chongyang level? Just how truly good is QHBD?
Last edited by Dirt; 08-29-21 at 07:07 PM.