Jinyong Character Level Ranking Chart

[Western Eccentric]

GJ level post 16 years is "speculation"
GX level during HSDS is "speculation"
LCY level during her life is "speculation"
Lin Yuantu FQY and Lady Yang level also a "speculation"..

[Western Eccentric]

To Kenny:
I'm OK with WuxiaMaster putting
Post-16 YG with HIS at Level 85+
as with what his did with some characters in the ranking by putting (Speculation).

Post 16 years HIS YG as good as full powered Sad Palm IMHO which 2-3 higher than "default" YG (Lv 80) so YG level can range between Lv 80 (minimum) to Lv 83 (maximum)..

[_Kenny_]

To Kenny:
I'm OK with WuxiaMaster putting
Post-16 YG with HIS at Level 85+
as with what his did with some characters in the ranking by putting (Speculation).

It's true some characters are speculated upon, but those are more the exceptions. What about someone like LHC of the Smiling Proud Wanderer novel? He learned YJJ at the end of the novel and about 3 years have passed (with his smarts maybe he also master an extra stance or 2 in DG9j, do you put him on par with FZ? Just have the major characters at their peak in the novel. It becomes a never ending affair if we speculate on a major character's level.

The ranking of the ROCH/LOCH characters or at least the main ones are pretty set in stone. YG never fought with the HIS post 16 years, why speculate on that? It's also Jin Yong's intentions that the main characters are never so above the other greats, moving YG to level 85 does that.

[FeilongZ]

To all:
We could speculate and provide facts from the books, along with our opinions all we want to.
However, these are WuxiaMaster's rankings, so he has the ultimate decision

[Western Eccentric]

It's true some characters are speculated upon, but those are more the exceptions. What about someone like LHC of the Smiling Proud Wanderer novel? He learned YJJ at the end of the novel and about 3 years have passed (with his smarts maybe he also master an extra stance or 2 in DG9j, do you put him on par with FZ? Just have the major characters at their peak in the novel. It becomes a never ending affair if we speculate on a major character's level.

The ranking of the ROCH/LOCH characters or at least the main ones are pretty set in stone. YG never fought with the HIS post 16 years, why speculate on that? It's also Jin Yong's intentions that the main characters are never so above the other greats, moving YG to level 85 does that.

I think it's not apple to apple compared YG with HIS post 16 years and LHC with Yijin Jing why since we never know LHC use Yijin Jing in actual combat it's very different with YG when he use HIS 16 years ago he definitely "on par" with Greats and 16 years later when his internal and external art improve of course he would way stronger with HIS than 16 years ago though I doubt he would reach Lv 85 with HIS post 16 years..

[FeilongZ]

We should set up a vote to petition WuxiaMaster to officially change some character's ranking.

The requirement for each vote cast is an explanation of why you think the character deserve the new level.

[Ken Cheng]

We should set up a vote to petition WuxiaMaster to officially change some character's ranking.

The requirement for each vote cast is an explanation of why you think the character deserve the new level.

I think WuxiaMaster should independently arrive at his own conclusions or this will turn into a popularity contest.

[Western Eccentric]

We should set up a vote to petition WuxiaMaster to officially change some character's ranking.

The requirement for each vote cast is an explanation of why you think the character deserve the new level.

I would suggest for YG..

Lv 25 When he first met with Hong Lingbo and LMC during LMC assault in Gumu Pai
Lv 32 First separation with XLN (after he learn some part of 9 Yin and final part of Jade Manual Sword but before meet H7G)
Lv 36 After he learn Dog Beating Stick and Snake Staff Skill
Lv 38 During Hero Meeting (after learn Dog Beating Stick formula)
Lv 40 After he learn all of Dog Beating Stick formula (when he help HR GF and Wu brothers fought JLFW)
Lv 42 After he learn Divine Flicking Finger and Jade Flute Sword
Lv 45 After JLFW "advice" to concentrate all his skill and mastered them till highest level - quality over quantity
Lv 74 Pre 16 years HIS YG
Lv 77 Wooden sword YG (after 6 years of ocean training)
Lv 78 When YG first created Sad Palm but before he roaming jianghu
Lv 80 During his fight against ZBT and HYS (default YG)
Lv 79 Initial fight against JLFW (happy mode YG)
Lv 75 Second fight against JLFW after JLFW "cheat" (desperate mode YG)
Lv 82 Full powered Sad Palm "active"
Lv 82/Lv 83 Post 16 years HIS YG (speculation)

[Western Eccentric]

I think WuxiaMaster should independently arrive at his own conclusions or this will turn into a popularity contest.

I hope so..

[EdenResident]

I think it's not apple to apple compared YG with HIS post 16 years and LHC with Yijin Jing why since we never know LHC use Yijin Jing in actual combat it's very different with YG when he use HIS 16 years ago he definitely "on par" with Greats and 16 years later when his internal and external art improve of course he would way stronger with HIS than 16 years ago though I doubt he would reach Lv 85 with HIS post 16 years..

No. The point of being a Great is that special weapons don't matter anymore. If you're a Great, when you strike someone with your bare hand/finger, it's just as deadly as when you strike him with a special weapon.

If a special weapon adds that much power to your game, ie., +5 level, it means you're not yet a Great. In terms of power supplement of a special weapon, the curve flattens out at the 75-80 level. In fact, at Great's level, using a weapon might actually even hinder your ability as it cannot be as agile as your own hands. Duan Yu would do better with the Qi swords than actual swords. So unless your fight arts actually involve a weapon, ie., you're a swordsman like LHC or CX, then you're better off not using any weapon at all. That's the whole point of being a Great.

[FeilongZ]

Western Eccentric:
Great level progression for Yang Guo.
My level progression is slightly different from yours

[Western Eccentric]

No. The point of being a Great is that special weapons don't matter anymore. If you're a Great, when you strike someone with your bare hand/finger, it's just as deadly as when you strike him with a special weapon.

If a special weapon adds that much power to your game, ie., +5 level, it means you're not yet a Great. In terms of power supplement of a special weapon, the curve flattens out at the 75-80 level. In fact, at Great's level, using a weapon might actually even hinder your ability as it cannot be as agile as your own hands. Duan Yu would do better with the Qi swords than actual swords. So unless your fight arts actually involve a weapon, ie., you're a swordsman like LHC or CX, then you're better off not using any weapon at all. That's the whole point of being a Great.

It's due the weapon and your power couldn't "synchronized" it's different with HIS since it's not only a "weapon" but also a "technique" that's why if any 2 Greats fight with HIS then the one who know the secret how to control and maximaze his power with HIS would be prevail..

[Western Eccentric]

Western Eccentric:
Great level progression for Yang Guo.
My level progression is slightly different from yours

Thanx..
TBH I never imagine YG and GJ could beat XF that's why Lv 80 for them it's a highest level which Condor Greats could reach

[Ken Cheng]

Thanx..
TBH I never imagine YG and GJ could beat XF that's why Lv 80 for them it's a highest level which Condor Greats could reach

It's closer than one might think, but Kiu Fung got there without any special manuals or chemical boosts. He just flat out mastered normal Shaolin kung fu, the Dog Beating Stick Technique, and the Hong Lung 28 Palms to that level...all before he was thirty years old. Amazeballs!

[Western Eccentric]

It's closer than one might think, but Kiu Fung got there without any special manuals or chemical boosts. He just flat out mastered normal Shaolin kung fu, the Dog Beating Stick Technique, and the Hong Lung 28 Palms to that level...all before he was thirty years old. Amazeballs!

Though in JY novel logic it's almost impossible for someone to reach XF level at age 30 without any of "freak" accident or learn a uber-skill..

[Ken Cheng]

Though in JY novel logic it's almost impossible for someone to reach XF level at age 30 without any of "freak" accident or learn a uber-skill..

That's what makes Kiu Fung so special.

[FeilongZ]

To WuxiaMaster:
LV 80: Yang Guo (RO) - Without Heavy Iron Sword. [Happy State: -1LV, Sorrow State: +1LV]

Full Sad Palms released is not only +1 level difference from standard.
Sad Palms at its peak exhibits unpredictableness and near formlessness and should increase to +3 level.

Also, include post-16 YG with Heavy Iron Sword at Level 85+ (add "Speculation" if necessary)

[Ken Cheng]

To WuxiaMaster:
LV 80: Yang Guo (RO) - Without Heavy Iron Sword. [Happy State: -1LV, Sorrow State: +1LV]

Full Sad Palms released is not only +1 level difference from standard.
Sad Palms at its peak exhibits unpredictableness and near formlessness and should increase to +3 level.

Also, include post-16 YG with Heavy Iron Sword at Level 85+ (add "Speculation" if necessary)

Let's allow WuxiaMaster to come to his independent conclusions without all this campaigning. It's unbecoming and slightly embarrassing.

[FeilongZ]

To WuxiaMaster:
Base on the translation by Noodles and Athena:
Once full Sad Palms is released, it does not only increase to +1 or +2 levels.
It looks like peak Sad Palms add +5 levels from YG standard level.
Jinyong wrote "But somehow the flair of melancholy and longing was gone; every move and every stance he made was the same as in the past but the power of it was greatly diminished."

At this moment Yang Guo using one arm had fought more than 200 stances with Fa Wang. Both of their martial arts are quite different from each other and the battle kept intensifying. The entire platform was overshadowed by their wheels and palm. The smoke coming from the bottom of the platform also thickened and soon a black cloud covered the platform. Although Yang Guo was not using a weapon he was not at a disadvantage. Fa Wang felt the platform was shaking lightly and knew that the fire had started to consume one of the pillars of the platform. It would only be a question of moments before the platform would collapse and then he, Yang Guo and Guo Xiang would all die together. Also he saw that the techniques of Yang Guo were very marvellous and feared that after another 100 stances or more he would be defeated by Yang Guo. In this dire situation he attacked Yang Guo's right shoulder with his iron wheel and when Yang Guo was about to avoid that wheel he threw his bronze wheel towards Guo Xiang's face. As she was tied to a pole, it was impossible for her to dodge that wheel.

Yang Guo was terrified and leapt towards Guo Xiang and used his sleeve to whisk the bronze wheel away. However when two experts fought it was uwise to be distracted and Yang Guo's attention was on Guo Xiang, leaving himself unguarded. Fa Wang struck out with his iron wheel the sharp edges were aimed at the left leg of Yang Guo. In mid-air Yang Guo frantically kicked Fa Wang's wrist with his right leg. Fa Wang turned his wheel around and Yang Guo could not avoid this anymore and his right leg was cut. Blood immediately flowed from his wound and his injury was not light. Guo Xiang called out in fear and Fa Wang took out his lead wheel. With two wheels in his hands he attacked Guo Xiang again from the top and bottom. He knew that although Yang Guo was injured he could not overcome him at the moment. So he deliberately launched a fake attack on Guo Xiang and by doing so Yang Guo would try to protect her with all his might. In a few moments Yang Guo was in a dangerous position and could only defend and not attack anymore.

Guo Xiang shouted, "Don't bother about me now! Just kill this old monk to avenge me!" Now Yang Guo called out in pain, his right shoulder was cut again by the wheel.

Xiao Long Nu and the Divine Condor were standing on the ground together with Zhou Bo Tong and they prevented the archers from shooting arrows at Guo Xiang. Her attention was entirely focused on Yang Guo; even when she was killing those soldiers her undivided attention was on Yang Guo. When she saw he was drenched in blood her heart skipped a beat. It was like her soul left her body; the ladder was consumed by the fire and there was no way for her to go up and help. Her mind went blank and she just raised her sword and was unaware where she was and what she was doing there.

Whenever Yang Guo was faced with a great, powerful adversary he would use his Melancholic Sad Palms to defeat his opponent. This style was linked to his state of being but now he was just reunited with Xiao Long Nu and his heart was filled with bliss and happiness. There was not a trace of melancholy or sadness anymore. He was now faced with a dangerous situation and was using this very style. But somehow the flair of melancholy and longing was gone; every move and every stance he made was the same as in the past but the power of it was greatly diminished.

Guo Jing and Huang Rong saw Yang Guo's battle against Fa Wang and saw him being injured, unfortunately they could not rush over to help him. Huang Rong suddenly thought of something and took Yelu Qi's sword and gave it to Guo Jing. She said loudly, "Shoot it over to Guo-Er." Guo Jing took the sword and used two iron bows and placed the sword in between. He aimed and shot the sword towards Yang Guo. A bright flash seared through the sky and a loud whooshing sound was heard.

Yang Guo heard the whoosing sound and used his right sleeve to curl up the sword and immediately used his left hand to wield the sword. He stabbed the sword through the two wheels of Fa Wang. Fa Wang twisted his wheels and the sword was broken again. Everyone saw what happened and was stunned.

Yang Guo knew it was in vain, he could not rescue Guo Xiang he himself, would probably die here as well. He tragically looked at Xiao Long Nu and said, "Long-Er, farewell. Take care..." At this moment Fa Wang used his iron wheel to advance forward, wanting to strike Yang Guo on the skull. Yang Guo had given up all hope, he casually whisked his sleeve and struck out his palm and it smashed Fa Wang directly on the shoulder.

Zhou Bo Tong who was standing below shouted, "Good! One impressive [Entangled by the web of love]." Yang Guo was stunned for a moment and then he realized he was feeling lost and hopless earlier and he unintentionally used the stance [Entangled by the web of love]. The heart is the most important factor of this style - it commands the arm and the arm commands the palm. That day Zhou Bo Tong did not feel the sadness and melancholy in the Hundred Flowers Vally, therefore he could not grasp the essence behind this style. When Yang Guo was reunited with Xiao Long Nu, this style lost its essence. When Yang Guo faced death and parting with Xiao Long Nu the sorrow and melancholy suddenly surged forth in his heart and immediately boosted the power of the Melancholic Sad Palms.

Fa Wang was about to be victorious and suddenly he was hit on the shoulder. His chest hurt greatly and he trembled. He was furious and surprised and instantly attacked again.

Yang Guo backed away and retaliated with [In A State Of Disunity], [Irrational Direction], [The Settled Cessation] and another move quickly followed these three attacks which was the [The Meaningless Wanderer]. This stance was a kick, but it was a most elusive attack. Fa Wang could only vaguely see a leg, it was there but it was not. He could not avoid this kick and he suffered a heavy kick at his chest. He coughed up blood and fell. Both armies yelled, the Song yelled with joy and the Mongolians cried with surprise.

[Ken Cheng]

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