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    Default A comprehensive collection of Gu Long's "weak-defeats-strong" incidents

    It seems that in the past whenever I have tried to collect a comprehensive anthology of something, it always fell short on the coverage of all necessary information. I hope this time we can really build something of comprehensive coverage, given this exciting topic.

    The famous incident is this: Character A is weaker than Character B, but Character B is defeated/killed/embarrassed in combat due to Character A's righteousness and/or luck.

    This seems to be a trademark of the author, There seems to be tons of such incidents in Gu Long universe. I can think of several:

    -Xie Xiaofeng (weaker) vs Yan 13 (stronger). Guess who survived and who didn't?
    -Xiao 11 Lang and the Legendary Sword Duo
    -Little Li Flying Dagger Li Xunhuan and Shangguan Jinhong
    -Simon the Snow Blower and "Master of White Cloud City" Ye Gucheng
    -Chu Liuxiang vs Water Matriarch [kidd]

    Please help list all other occurances of such weak-defeats-strong incidences.
    Last edited by PJ; 10-06-06 at 01:46 AM.
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    Chu Liu Xiang vs Water Martriarch --> Chu Liu Xiang won
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    the first book of LSF. LSF was weaker than Huo Qing in martial arts. But technically won.
    法王正欲回掌相击,突听嗤嗤轻响一股柔和的气流涌向面门,正是一灯大师使出一阳指功夫,正面拦截。法王一直没将这白眉老僧放在眼内,那料到他这一指之功,竟是如此深厚
    此时一灯大师的一阳指功夫实已到了登峰造极、炉火纯青的地步,指上发出的那股罡气似是温淳平和,但沛然浑厚,无可与抗

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whsie
    the first book of LSF. LSF was weaker than Huo Qing in martial arts. But technically won.
    He won the battle of wills, but Luk Siu Fung and Fok Teen Ching never actually engaged in physical combat against one another.

    It's a shame; it would have been a good fight.

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    Lu Xiao Feng catching Ye Gu Cheng's sword.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidd View Post
    Chu Liu Xiang vs Water Martriarch --> Chu Liu Xiang won
    CLX has the advantage in the fight because of his unique ability.

    In fights, besides the relative abilities of the pugilists, the environment and mood also play an important role.

    In this case, the environment suits CLX better.

    So the weaker vs stronger arguement really is redundant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bliss
    I think they're probably at the same level as or one level below Ah Qing, which is about the level of a 2nd or 3rd generation Quan Zhen disciple.
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    (please mind the pinyin)

    - xiao shiyi lang vs. xiao yao hou
    - ximen chuixue vs. dugu yihe
    - chu liuxiang vs. shi guanyin
    - technically, hu tiehua vs. yi dian hung *rolleyes*
    - lu xiaofeng vs. huo you
    - lu xiaofeng vs. gong jiu
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    Isn't nearly EVERY novel of this type a 'weak defeats strong' in some way? After all, 'strong defeats weak' isn't nearly as interesting. That's why the villain is almost always stronger than the hero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren Wo Xing View Post
    Isn't nearly EVERY novel of this type a 'weak defeats strong' in some way? After all, 'strong defeats weak' isn't nearly as interesting. That's why the villain is almost always stronger than the hero.
    That only applies to Gu Long.
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    Does it really? Many fiction/fantasy type novels use this. For well-known examples, LotR (big bad evil guy is beat by a midgety little munchkin), Harry Potter (Voldemort gets beat by a teenager), etc. In novels where there is a good guy and a bad guy, the good guy wins (because that's how stories are), but the bad guy is stronger (to make the story more exciting). Seems a bit unfair to single out GL like that.
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    C3F beating Kunlun 3 Saints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarakoth View Post
    Lu Xiao Feng catching Ye Gu Cheng's sword.
    Was YGC really that embarrassed of having LXF catch his sword? I remember Ken mentioned even though that happened, YGC was able to take back the sword, instead of having LXF break it like he does to other weapons. Forgive me if these are not facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felix View Post
    Was YGC really that embarrassed of having LXF catch his sword? I remember Ken mentioned even though that happened, YGC was able to take back the sword, instead of having LXF break it like he does to other weapons. Forgive me if these are not facts.
    They are facts, and at that time, YGC was the only person able to take something out of LXF's grasp. However, LXF admitted that YGC was a much more accomplished martial artist than he was. Yet, LXF was still able to pull his signature move on the finest swordsman of his time.

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    Does it really?
    I mean, out of Jin Yong and Gu Long...
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarakoth View Post
    They are facts, and at that time, YGC was the only person able to take something out of LXF's grasp. However, LXF admitted that YGC was a much more accomplished martial artist than he was. Yet, LXF was still able to pull his signature move on the finest swordsman of his time.
    Luk Siu Fung had a bit of luck (and a strange physiological anomaly) on his side: the tip of Yip Goo Sing's blade was more or less on his chest, but Luk Siu Fung was somehow able to cause his chest to go slightly concave, giving him maybe just a few millimeters clearance to avoid being wounded by Yip's sword.

    And of course, Yip did not intend to kill him on that occassion, or things would have gone differently.

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    The ten evil defeating Yan Nan Tian through trickery.

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    In the Farewell Hook story of the Seven Weapons, the hero defeats the signficantly stronger villain by cutting off his own arm to strike at the enemy. That was one of the most awesome finishing moves in a wuxia battle. Moments like this show why GL's battles are exciting to read even if he can't describe the details as aptly as JY.

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    I'd love to be able to read that.

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