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    Is this one of the guys involved with the missing sutra?
    You do know that it is just fiction, dont you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnhHung
    Is this one of the guys involved with the missing sutra?
    yes. He was the one that attacked Jue Yuan and got blasted over several zhang away or at least 20 feet away. And Jue Yuan didn't do anything except taking the hit. In addition, that reflection was was able to cause a long term injury for XXZ.
    法王正欲回掌相击,突听嗤嗤轻响一股柔和的气流涌向面门,正是一灯大师使出一阳指功夫,正面拦截。法王一直没将这白眉老僧放在眼内,那料到他这一指之功,竟是如此深厚
    此时一灯大师的一阳指功夫实已到了登峰造极、炉火纯青的地步,指上发出的那股罡气似是温淳平和,但沛然浑厚,无可与抗

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    Ah...IIRC, he was better than the other guy, but lost because of an injury. Perhaps the injury was caused by Jue Yuen.
    You do know that it is just fiction, dont you?

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    XXZ was better than that other guy(forgot his name). And that other guy knew that XXZ was better, but only lost because of the long term injury caused from attacking Jue Yuan.
    法王正欲回掌相击,突听嗤嗤轻响一股柔和的气流涌向面门,正是一灯大师使出一阳指功夫,正面拦截。法王一直没将这白眉老僧放在眼内,那料到他这一指之功,竟是如此深厚
    此时一灯大师的一阳指功夫实已到了登峰造极、炉火纯青的地步,指上发出的那股罡气似是温淳平和,但沛然浑厚,无可与抗

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    Cheung Mo Gei was extremely powerful, but he had a bad habit of fighting down to the level of his competition. How many times did he *nearly* lose to opponents much, much weaker than himself not because he *couldn't* beat them, but because he was unwilling (for one reason or another) to go all out? He was able to afford to do that against his HSDS enemies because each of them was far weaker than he was, but against an L/ROCH Great, he cannot afford mental mistakes like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng
    Cheung Mo Gei was extremely powerful, but he had a bad habit of fighting down to the level of his competition. How many times did he *nearly* lose to opponents much, much weaker than himself not because he *couldn't* beat them, but because he was unwilling (for one reason or another) to go all out? He was able to afford to do that against his HSDS enemies because each of them was far weaker than he was, but against an L/ROCH Great, he cannot afford mental mistakes like that.
    If the purpose is needed like when ZWJ needs to save someone important (like Xie Xun) or if channeled by anger (like against Ah 3), then ZWJ would not hold back. And that would then be the clash of the titans.
    法王正欲回掌相击,突听嗤嗤轻响一股柔和的气流涌向面门,正是一灯大师使出一阳指功夫,正面拦截。法王一直没将这白眉老僧放在眼内,那料到他这一指之功,竟是如此深厚
    此时一灯大师的一阳指功夫实已到了登峰造极、炉火纯青的地步,指上发出的那股罡气似是温淳平和,但沛然浑厚,无可与抗

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    Quote Originally Posted by RongYingMin
    All you martial fellows forgot the MOST important matter. That's Zhang Wuji broke through "The Entrance of Life and Death" (Sheng Zhi Xuan Quan? sorry if it's not correct in Mandarin Pinyin) and had the "Ren Du 2 Pulses" connected.
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    in Jin Yong's universe except Wuji, Shi Potian (Xia Ke Xing) and Di Yun (Linked Cities) could reach that bound of inner energy cultivation.

    Reaching this level of inner energy, though the amount of Wuji's energy was equal to that of the other Greats and his fighting experience was deficient, he could fight for a long long time without feeling tired at all.

    He was nearly a without-lung-fighter, a permanent engine. He could transfer the inner energy nonstop, and continuously.

    So if the other Greats couldn't overcome Zhang Wuji in less than 500 moves, they would gradually become exhausted out of breath and would be beaten by Wuji, who would still be vigorous at that moment.
    Prove it!

    Prove your outlandish claims.

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    Wow, no body has brought this up b4. I still have nfi what you are on about, can someone explain. Have all of these fighters show they can fight and fight with tiring? Not sure about DiYun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RongYingMin
    These following things would probably happen when Zhang Wuji fight Guo Jing or Yang Guo:

    1. GJ/YG used hl18p/sad palms to give a distant attack.
    2. ZWJ used Sacred Flamed Tablets' divine techniques to dodge, then approached GJ/YG. Or he could use QKDNY + Taichi Fist to shift GJ/YG's palm force to counter-attack.
    3. After approaching, ZWJ used 7Damaging Fist or Taichi Fist to beat GJ/YG.
    4. GJ/YG both didn't have energy shield as Wuji did, so internal organs of theirs would be badly injured.
    5. ZWJ would be victorious.
    let me correct that
    1. GJ/YG used hl18p/sad palms to give a distant attack.
    2. ZWJ used Sacred Flamed Tablets' divine techniques to dodge, then approached GJ/YG. Or he could use QKDNY + Taichi Fist to shift GJ/YG's palm force to counter-attack.
    3. After approaching, ZWJ used 7Damaging Fist or Taichi Fist to beat GJ/YG.
    4. but before he tried to use anything, YG reach out with his sleeves, grab on to ZWJ's nut real tight and squeeze that badboy real hard.
    5) ZWJ is unable to counter the ultimate nut squeezing technique and GY is victorious raising up his fist with 2 balls in his hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warlock110
    let me correct that
    1. GJ/YG used hl18p/sad palms to give a distant attack.
    2. ZWJ used Sacred Flamed Tablets' divine techniques to dodge, then approached GJ/YG. Or he could use QKDNY + Taichi Fist to shift GJ/YG's palm force to counter-attack.
    3. After approaching, ZWJ used 7Damaging Fist or Taichi Fist to beat GJ/YG.
    4. but before he tried to use anything, YG reach out with his sleeves, grab on to ZWJ's nut real tight and squeeze that badboy real hard.
    5) ZWJ is unable to counter the ultimate nut squeezing technique and GY is victorious raising up his fist with 2 balls in his hand.

    OUCH

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    hehe... actually RongMingYing's view is a bit flawed, but not to the extent that the last 2 posts were saying.
    Sacred Fire Arts is not exactly for dodging, it's for confusing your opponents with wierd moves that no one would have even dreamed of seeing which has been effective to ALL people (in other words, yes, even probably to GJ or YG), unless one knows Buddhism Arts.

    Another thing that should be pointed out is that, there is a possibilty that 7 Injury Fist can give out an LDA as well. The nature of the attack makes it seem like an LDA.
    法王正欲回掌相击,突听嗤嗤轻响一股柔和的气流涌向面门,正是一灯大师使出一阳指功夫,正面拦截。法王一直没将这白眉老僧放在眼内,那料到他这一指之功,竟是如此深厚
    此时一灯大师的一阳指功夫实已到了登峰造极、炉火纯青的地步,指上发出的那股罡气似是温淳平和,但沛然浑厚,无可与抗

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    Quote Originally Posted by RongYingMin
    Outlandish claims? NO, they're the FACTS which happened in the novels:

    1, in HSDS: When Zhang Wuji was confined in the Universal Bag (Qian Kun bag) and Chen Kun was threatening to kill Ming Cult's heroes, he managed to break the bag and have Ren pulse and Du pulse, 2 most importain pulses of human body, connected.

    2, in Xia Ke Xing: When Shi Potian was training the secret kung fu skills in Xia Ke island, he had the same thing done.

    3. in Linked Cities: I don't remember exactly but it seems that when Di Yun was being oppressed by someone in the cave, the energy streams inside his body collided and due to that, he broke through The Entrance of Life and Death.

    Other than those 3 characters, NOONE else could reach that level of inner energy cultivation.
    Rong,

    I have no doubt that ZWJ or SPT or even Di Yun have achieved high internal energy.

    What i have serious reservations is the fact that you are saying that the above three individuals have achieved a level of internal energy that was unsurpassed by anyone.

    That contradicts the known prowess of ppl like GJ, YG or QF, not to mention DY, XZ and the SM.

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    ultimate ball squeezing technique pwn ALL!!!!!! ball grabbing FTW!!!!!!!! AYA FIGHTING

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    who needs proof for showing ZWJ has greater endurance? It's almost LOGIC. ZWJ's art are mostly conservative that last a long time. Plus, Taichi breathing further makes ZWJ be able to find 1000 stances without being tired.
    In the battle against the 3 Du Generation, ZWJ actually wasn't able to win fair and square using arts. He would have to last it out. 又斗小半个时辰,张无忌体内九阳神功急速流动,圣火令上发出嗤嗤声响。少林三僧的脸色本来各自不同,这时却 都殷红如血,僧袍都鼓了起来,便似为疾风所充。但张无忌的衣衫却并无异状,这情景高下已判,倘若他是以一对 一,甚而以一敌二,早已获胜。他练的九阳真气原本浑厚无伦,再加上张三丰指点,学得太极拳中练气之法,更是愈斗愈盛,最能持久,实可再拚一两个时辰,以待对手气衰力竭。In matter of fact, the longer the stronger for ZWJ based on this quote.
    法王正欲回掌相击,突听嗤嗤轻响一股柔和的气流涌向面门,正是一灯大师使出一阳指功夫,正面拦截。法王一直没将这白眉老僧放在眼内,那料到他这一指之功,竟是如此深厚
    此时一灯大师的一阳指功夫实已到了登峰造极、炉火纯青的地步,指上发出的那股罡气似是温淳平和,但沛然浑厚,无可与抗

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    guo jing, yang guo, zhang wuji in terms of power and technique.

    guo jing has mastered the best in external school(HL18Z) and internal school(kongming fist), plus the full 9yin which has the deepest theories of most of the schools in wulin. in technique, he has no superior(but some equals).
    he has mastered both external and internal strength to the highest level. he is able to use his energy to neutralise or negate weaker opponents inner power that is directed at him. able to unblock his accupoints and restore his flow of inner power after taking a power strike from a great.

    yang guo has mastered the essence of the best schools in wulin including 9yin, altered(reverse)9yin, QZ and ancient tomb, DGKB, etc. he created one of the best internal school palm skills(sad palms). he has mastered swordplay to the level of formlessness/no sword. highest level of external and internal strenght. able to neutralise or negate weaker opponents inner power directed at him. able to use chest and stomach to counterattack heavy strikes of great calibre.

    zhangwuji, mastered 9yangzhenjing, best? inner power in the world. mastered QKDNY and taji quan and jian. mastered weird demon skill. level at formlessness. but no expirence with opponents equal to his level. tends to have trouble with strange techniques that he can't see the essence of(lack of expirence). able to counterattack with inner power alone without technique against weaker opponents. great at attacking formations and multiple weaker opponents at once.

    guo jing, yang guo and zgang wuji had relatively the same level in inner power. guo jing was well expirenced in fighting strange techniques(HQG taught him). he has no problem with either hard or soft techniques and could interchange techniques at will.
    yang guo had probably the best skill in powerful and strange techniques. he had other more ordotox and unordotox skills as well. probably the best in swordplay of the three and the undisputed best in soft weapons(like his sleeve). can use palm as well as soft sleeve as weapon moves at the same time.
    zhang wuji would probably be unable to bounce back one of GJ's and YG's strikes(same as GJ and JLFW). but he should be able to redirect an attack with seventh level of QKDNY. however he shouldn't be able to store up more then one of GJ's and YG's strikes. (fan yao is probably considerably less then 20% of ZWJ, since the weakest of the du monks was less then 30%{all three monks were 33.3% of ZWJ}and one du monk = yang xiao and bai yewang). if ZWJ had to recieve two or more or GJ's or YG's strikes in succesion, he would have trouble. unless he can use taiji to redirect the force.

    he managed to break the bag and have Ren pulse and Du pulse, 2 most importain pulses of human body, connected
    GJ and YG might have done the same since 9yin sanskrit part allowed GJ to unite all the merideans in his body and YG had practised 9yin and reverse 9yin both which attained perfect harmony when HQG and OYF used the two skills against each other.
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