PJ's unofficial ranking of the Jin Yong universe

[CC]

true, MRF is nowhere near XF but ur saying that 4 MRF cant par with XF?thats utter BS.And i thought everyone at this forum thought DUGU Qiu Bai > Sweeps.

3 Xuan monks (which included Xuan Ci, who could be significantly above the other Xuan monks) can only tie Xiao Feng at best.

MRF is not as good as the senior Xuan monks.

So XF > 3+ MRFs.


As for your last statement.

NO!

[soulmelody]

But i dont believe XF can defeat 4 MRF coming at him in 1 go, i think at the most XF is like 3.5 MRF.oh yea and i do believe z3f is superior to everyone else excluding the 3 greatest: sweeps,SPT and XZ

[RongYingMin]

Why can 3 Elders of Xiao Yao sect be superior to Dugu Qiubai?

[soulmelody]

Dugu was never seen but we could estimate him at the leat 1.5x great level

[Whsie]

while there are all those comments, the 3 most glaring things to me are:
1. JLFW and ZWJ are rated the same. Yes, yes, ZWJ's internal is unpure, unrefined, still needs work. So even though his internal is = to that of YG or GJ, he is still rated lower. However, I believe we did have a poll to see if ZWJ or JLFW would win and I believed that poll was pretty lop sided toward ZWJ. Like it was over 75% favoring ZWJ. That does not hint to me that ZWJ is only on par with JLFW.
2. I personally feel that XF's rating is once again covered with his hero biased. As noted by BaiQi44, according to you there is a 30% difference for for the Old Original Greats. H7G/OYF 170% and Yideng/HYS are 205%. And I remember you always agree with me that there is a consideralbe improvement. However, when you rated XF, you gave him 255% and the best of the Greats 235% (GJ) and 225% (Z3F). Wouldn't that suggest that the difference between XF and the Elite Greats have a difference of Pre 16 Years ROCH to Post 16 Years ROCH? In opinion, no, that difference is too big. So I suggest toning down the DGSD 4 Elite. I'm not saying you have to place them neck to neck with the Elite Greats, but the difference you gave was a bit glaring and should have been toned down to like 0-5% difference.
3. Yideng and JMZ. As we all know, a part used to prove DGSD Elites~Greats used was Yideng and JMZ's speaking. However, when I look at the rating, there is about a 50% difference. Honestly, don't you think that the % is a bit too wide to have Yideng and JMZ showing relative internal powers(even if JMZ is agreed to be slightly higher)?

[Whsie]

Dugu was never seen but we could estimate him at the leat 1.5x great level

based on what?
The reason why DGQB is placed relatively where he is is because he theoritically achieved the stage that Shi Po Tian showed at the end of Ode of Gallantary which was ideal formlessness.

[RongYingMin]

There are a lot details on which I disargee with PJ, such as:
- ZWJ is equal to Jinlun Guoshi instead of being superior.
- Dongfang Bubai is inferior to Xiao Feng, Jiumozhi, Murong Bo, Xiao Yuanshan.
- Huang Rong is superior to Lin Pingzhi.
etc. hix, I can't be patient enough to list all of them out.

[Whsie]

Good effort, but I honestly think that the power / prowess between the ROCH 4 greats is very minute. Sure, H7G and AYF died 16 or so years earlier, but it wouldn't make too much of a difference between these two and HYS and YD. They were already old at the start of ROCH and by the end, I doubt their inner power risen to make a huge difference between them and AYF / H7G. I think a 30% gap is too much between them.

I personally feel the % PJ gave were reasonable. As a counter to thinking" they didn't improve" is that JY constantly harped to us about how they "improved significantly than before". In addition, I think the main line of logic that PJ tried to achieve was JLFW's improvement. If the Greats only relatively maintained their level in Pre 16 Years ROCH, then wouldn't that mean they get completely screwed over by JLFW when he newly mastered Level 10? To at least still keep the Greats in striking distance, the Greats should have improved along or else logically speaking, Yideng should have been defeated a lot easier.

[Whsie]

There are a lot details on which I disargee with PJ, such as:
- ZWJ is equal to Jinlun Guoshi instead of being superior.
- Dongfang Bubai is inferior to Xiao Feng, Jiumozhi, Murong Bo, Xiao Yuanshan.
- Huang Rong is superior to Lin Pingzhi.
etc. hix, I can't be patient enough to list all of them out.

I agree with you. This is what happens whenever new "personal" ratings come out. However, since this is relatively close to Lav's rating, then there is slightly less controvesy. At least we don't have Greats being rated only near DCQ or Xuanci by someone who has no idea what is going on.

[RongYingMin]

Uhm, although there are still some controversies which need to be corrected through discussion, I think this 1000 - point - ranking system would work, it can give a standing chart more precisely than Lav's system can.

[Han Solo]

Where is DY?

My eyes got hurt looking at the list. Any chance to re-adjust it into smaller groups of 5-10 each? Then i will comment.

Han Solo

[IcyFox]

To PJ : Maybe you'd like to justify your ranking index?

Like, maybe, why Zhuo Bufan is 71 points relative to SM's 1000?

[Yeung Gor]

PJ:

You listed SPT on trance mode to boost his rating. But you listed YG on unsad mode to lower his rating. Evil !!!!


I agree with the others that gaps between those top teir fighters on your rankings seem to be too significant as we know they are much closer.

[TommyH]

true, MRF is nowhere near XF but ur saying that 4 MRF cant par with XF?thats utter BS.And i thought everyone at this forum thought DUGU Qiu Bai > Sweeps.

When did we ever think Mr. Lonely is stronger than Abbot Godly? Did I miss something?

[yittz]

I don't think unknown characters should be ranked - HS, DG, 1st disciple, Yellow lady. How can you say she is weaker than Du monks? Maybe have a range for them. Is DY missed out on purpose?

I also think ZWJ>JLFW

[Fearless]

why is DGQB ranked so low? u have no idea of completely how strong he is?

[soulmelody]

why is DGQB ranked so low? u have no idea of completely how strong he is?

There see DGQB skills are unknown,for are we know DGQb could have a advanced 6mSj the sword chi

[Yeung Gor]

I also agree, DGQB is rank too low.

[PJ]

Um, the only reason why ZJB was able to do so well against HZD is because ZJB's internal energy was far superior because of 9 Yang.

I don't think so.... Zhang Junbao and He Zudao's internal energy seemed to be roughly equal.

[PJ]

I also agree, DGQB is rank too low.

The gap between Dugu Qiubai and Ren Woxing should not be *that* big. Although the gap is still quite big in this ranking, I have tried to miminize it. Dugu Qiubai would have been extremely pleased to meet Ren Woxing, so that says something about Ren Woxing's abilities compared to Dugu Qiubai's.