How many foot soldier does it take to take down a hero?

[LuNaR]

so how many foot soldier ( doesnt know martial arts) does it take to take down a hero ( ex. guo jing, yang yuo)?

im gunna say 500 to take down guo jing or yang guo.

[Ken Cheng]

so how many foot soldier ( doesnt know martial arts) does it take to take down a hero ( ex. guo jing, yang yuo)?

im gunna say 500 to take down guo jing or yang guo.

It'll take a heck of a lot more than that. Even the likes of Gwok Siu Teen and Yeung Teet Sum could probably handle five hundred soldiers without too much trouble.

Consider this: the Gong Nam 7 Freaks, hardly elite martial artists, were able to take on a group of one hundred other martial artists (who, in the wulin sense of martial artist, were by definition better than individual soldiers at fighting). If the "mere" Gong Nam 7 Freaks could handle one hundred martial artists fairly easily, it's hard to see how Gwok Jing or Yeung Gor at the respective height of his abilities could be threatened by five hundred soldiers.

Gwok Jing at the beginning of ROCH casually handled one-hundred Cheun Jen Sect Taoists using a Big Dipper Formation, and Gwok Jing was holding back because he understood that those Taoists were not really his enemies. Each one of those Taoists was likely worth at least ten soldiers in terms of fighting prowess.

If you want to overwhelm Gwok Jing or Yeung Gor with soldiers, it's best to bring at least ten thousand men. Even that might not be enough.

Moreover, if either Gwok Jing or Yeung Gor's goal is to escape alive rather than fight to the death, either one could easily get away.

[CC]

One thing though, I think even JY mentioned it in his novels before. Groups of martial artists don't stack well together but soldiers are trained to fight in groups.

So stacking martial artists has a decreasing effect which stacking soldiers have an incresing effect.

[Ken Cheng]

One thing though, I think even JY mentioned it in his novels before. Groups of martial artists don't stack well together but soldiers are trained to fight in groups.

So stacking martial artists has a decreasing effect which stacking soldiers have an incresing effect.

The soldiers can win as long as their numerical superiority holds up far enough to compensate for the martial artist's superior prowess. If their numbers are insufficient to compensate for the carnage that the martial artist will likely unleash, the soldiers will lose.

Because they rely on the power of the group, soldiers must therefore come in sufficient numbers to win against martial artists.

[JigSta]

One thing though, I think even JY mentioned it in his novels before. Groups of martial artists don't stack well together but soldiers are trained to fight in groups.

So stacking martial artists has a decreasing effect which stacking soldiers have an incresing effect.

Except for things like the Big Dipper. They were specifically created so a group of martial artists could effectively fight in a group and maximize their power.

[kwekmh]

And heroes like GJ or YG could just roar using their internal energy and you will see the soldiers retreating LOL.

I think they can handle a few thousand without problem.

[batmankiller]

Well considering YG’s sad palms and GJ’s 18 palms are both LDA.. then they could probably take out 50-100 soldiers without them even getting close to them. And GJ performance on the mountain.. I wouldn’t say one of the QuanZhen disciples are 10 soldiers cuz I hardly doubt they could kill 10 guys maybe.. 7-8.. so lets’ say 7.5. Multiply that by 100 and that’s around 750.. more less.. it’ll take a lot more than 750 for GJ to even break a sweat.. and although it’s unclear who’s better in Martial arts, YG or GJ.. it’s pretty clear their more less equal and there would not be a victory in a fight unless 1500+stances are offered. So yea I’d approximate 1500-2000 before they actually fall in trouble. But if you don’t remember.. GJ had some trouble with like 100 soldiers in the battle and YG had to save him. This battle took place when YG and XLn came back to kill GJ and HR…

[Ken Cheng]

GJ had some trouble with like 100 soldiers in the battle and YG had to save him. This battle took place when YG and XLn came back to kill GJ and HR…

It wasn't infantrymen that were giving Gwok Jing problems there. Gwok Jing went through the Mongol infantrymen like a tiger through a flock of sheep. What gave Gwok Jing some trouble were the archers who shot at him while he was climbing the fortress wall to get back into the city, especially one particular archer called the Golden Wheel Monk.

[Yeung Gor]

It'll take a heck of a lot more than that. Even the likes of Gwok Siu Teen and Yeung Teet Sum could probably handle five hundred soldiers without too much trouble.

Consider this: the Gong Nam 7 Freaks, hardly elite martial artists, were able to take on a group of one hundred other martial artists (who, in the wulin sense of martial artist, were by definition better than individual soldiers at fighting). If the "mere" Gong Nam 7 Freaks could handle one hundred martial artists fairly easily, it's hard to see how Gwok Jing or Yeung Gor at the height of their abilities could be threatened by five hundred soldiers.

Gwok Jing at the beginning of ROCH casually handled one-hundred Cheun Jen Sect Taoists using a Big Dipper Formation, and Gwok Jing was holding back because he understood that those Taoists were not really his enemies. Each one of those Taoists was likely worth at least ten soldiers in terms of fighting prowess.

If you want to overwhelm Gwok Jing or Yeung Gor with soldiers, it's best to bring at least ten thousand men. Even that might not be enough.

Moreover, if either Gwok Jing or Yeung Gor's goal is to escape alive rather than fight to the death, either one could easily get away.

This reminds me when I had the debate with someone and he claim thousands of Mongolian Soldiers can kill Sweeper Monk. That is simply not gonna happen.

[Ken Cheng]

This reminds me when I had the debate with someone and he claim thousands of Mongolian Soldiers can kill Sweeper Monk. That is simply not gonna happen.

A few thousand won't get it done. A MILLION, however, which is what one poster suggested, probably would. Good luck trying to assemble a million-man army in ancient times, though.

[PJ]

im gunna say 500 to take down guo jing or yang guo

It was stated that 400 Mongolian warriors would be unable to take down Xiaoxiangzi and Yin Kexi.

[Yeung Gor]

A few thousand won't get it done. A MILLION, however, which is what one poster suggested, probably would. Good luck trying to assemble a million-man army in ancient times, though.

Yea at first he said a million, but I made him concede that's not realistic to have that many soldiers station around the khan. So then we were arguing tens of thousands.

[Ken Cheng]

Yea at first he said a million, but I made him concede that's not realistic to have that many soldiers station around the khan.

Not to mention that a million men would occupy *alot* of space, and they couldn't possibly all collapse on the Janitor Monk simultaneously. It would be a battle of attrition. Eventually, the sheer numbers would drain even the Janitor Monk's incredible energy, and the spears and swords would do their damage.

[Yeung Gor]

Not to mention that a million men would occupy *alot* of space, and they couldn't possibly all collapse on the Janitor Monk simultaneously. It would be a battle of attrition. Eventually, the sheer numbers would drain even the Janitor Monk's incredible energy, and the spears and swords would do their damage.

Agreed. I would imagine a wise wuxia character would use his energy more for the purpose of escape in that type of scenerio.

[tape]

So are these soldiers using spears and swords or arrows? Seems like a thousand archers should be able to take them down unless they run away immediately in which case I guess the soldiers win anyway?

[resident:alien]

how about 1/3 these soldiers are archers, 1/3 use firearms, and the rest use trebuchets?

[IcyFox]

What is a "foot soldier"?

[yittz]

So are these soldiers using spears and swords or arrows? Seems like a thousand archers should be able to take them down unless they run away immediately in which case I guess the soldiers win anyway?

Arrows have scored hits on greats.

However, if the hero fights smart then he would avoid archers in an open plain in daylight. (1 person with good martial arts should always outmaneouver an army of archers). He only attacks in surprise, such as ambushing small groups and at night. Hero vs archer at close range = gg. If it's a whole army with balanced infantry and ranged, it's the same thing - avoid open confrontation (even then a hero should be fast enough to approach the frontline without getting hit by arrows). With hand to hand engagement archers are useless, unless they willing fire arrows on their own supporting infantry.

[Yeung Gor]

What is a "foot soldier"?

The first time I heard that term is from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. It refers to the lowest form of soldiers, the front line of troops that "walks" or march to battle fields, not privilege enough to ride horses, hence the reference to "foot". They are usually the ones to die first in a battle. In ancient times, they are the soldiers that carry swords or spears, in modern times, they are the ones that carries machine guns.

[JamesG]

What is a "foot soldier"?

He's the kind of guy that strings barbwire and then coils it back up again. You were being facetious weren't you.