During HSDS, the Ming Cult had a reputation among mainstream wulin as a "demonic" cult, which is the reason the Six Orthdox Sects gave for wanting to wipe it out. Undoubtedly, this perception of the Ming Cult was magnified after Tse Tsun had begun murdering various wulin individuals in Sing Kwun's name, but apparently, the "demonic" cult reputation that the Ming Cult had was already in place back when Yeung Ding Teen was the Cult Leader. What about before that, however? Did the Ming Cult have this sinister reputation as far back as the pre-LOCH days of Wong Seung?