The LOCH adaptation debate

[redfirefly124]

wow thats the new HR? she should be HR in ROCH, but in LOCH... she is so old wow.

No...thats the LOCH 03 Mu Nian Ci.
Here's LOCH 03 Huang Rong (played by Zhou Xun):
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And the UPCOMING LOCH 07 Huang Rong (played by Ariel Lin Yi Chen):
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In LOCH '82, there were several scenes of Gwok Jing and Wong Yung running through a forest together. Oddly enough, they wore different clothes when they came out of the forest than when they went into it.

Yeah, I noticed that too...especially when in the end when HR was mad at GJ...he followed her, the camera switched an angle, and VOILA! GJ had different clothes on. GJ seems to have special powers and is able to switch clothes in a split second.

If you *really* want to see wretched TVB 1980s CGI excess, however, you've got to check out THE SMILING PROUD WANDERER '84 with Chow Yun Fat. TVB forgot it was making wuxia and thought it was making STAR WARS. It seemed that even third rate characters would shoot lasers out of their noses when they sneezed in SPW '84.

LOL...and I thought LOCH 83 was bad....
Anyone have video clips of this?

TO SPARKY: My signature seems to be attracting more and more supporters for you... lol

[LuNaR]

No...thats the LOCH 03 Mu Nian Ci.
Here's LOCH 03 Huang Rong (played by Zhou Xun):
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And the UPCOMING LOCH 07 Huang Rong (played by Ariel Lin Yi Chen):
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Yeah, I noticed that too...especially when in the end when HR was mad at GJ...he followed her, the camera switched an angle, and VOILA! GJ had different clothes on. GJ seems to have special powers and is able to switch clothes in a split second.


LOL...and I thought LOCH 83 was bad....
Anyone have video clips of this?

TO SPARKY: My signature seems to be attracting more and more supporters for you... lol

o that HR is better and... ariel chan? wow and i thought LYF looked 16, lmao ariel looks 14. wats next, they have hermione playing guo xiang?

[Sparky]

TO SPARKY: My signature seems to be attracting more and more supporters for you...

lol it's okay. Maybe I should put "GO LOCH 82!" in my signature and it'll attract supporters for you

Huang Rong (Zhou Xun) and Mu Nianci (Shui Ling) from LOCH 03 are actually similar in age, with Shui Ling a year older.

To brighten up the thread...

Let's start with THE HUANG RONG's!

Barbara Yung [翁美玲] from LOCH '82 (my personal favourite)
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Athena Chu [朱茵] from LOCH '95 (not bad, considering she had to follow up Barbara, but not quite as "WOW" as Barbara's portrayal)
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Zhou Xun [周迅] from LOCH '03 (it really wasn't horrible at all, compared to other performances, like let's say...Zhou Jie's...but her voice!! What happened to finding a dubbing artist? I thought ZJZ was good at that.)
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Ariel Lin [林依晨] from LOCH '07 (I don't think she suits Huang Rong looks-wise, but we'll have to see about her acting. I think she has a chance. Seems like she's working hard though - hope it pays off and makes up for the fact that she doesn't look the part.)
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And I know I've criticized Zhou Jie enough, but the more I look at him, the more I pray to god that Yuan Hong will do a better job. He looks better than Zhou Jie, but I don't think he can surpass Miu Kai Wai...just my prediction.

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At least he's scary. But c'mon, that was the scene when Mu Nianci was "比武招亲" (fighting for a spouse). If I were Mu Nianci, I would've so not fallen in love with Yang Kang if he looked like that.

[redfirefly124]

lol it's okay. Maybe I should put "GO LOCH 82!" in my signature and it'll attract supporters for you

Hahaha...yeah, and then the next time I check, LOCH 83 will have 20 votes and LOCH 03 will have....maybe 8 if I'm lucky.
Question: who do you think did better, Athena Chu or Zhou Xun?
About Zhou Jie...there was an even freakier pic of him somewhere....its his "I'M GOING TO MAKE MY EYES WIDE SO I LOOK MORE LIKE AN ALIEN" thing...if I can find it, I'll post it.

[Ken Cheng]

LOL...and I thought LOCH 83 was bad....
Anyone have video clips of this?

I don't, unfortunately, but if you want an idea of how bad it was, let me sum it up in one word: LIGHTSABERS.

SPW '84 started with a craptacular CGI light show and from that point forward, five minutes could not go by on the screen without some gratuitous use of CGI lasers.

If you thought LOCH '82's CGI lasers were bad, SPW '84 will send you running away SCREAMING.

The CGI in SPW '84 was taken to such extremes that it actually intefered with the storytelling (which was never a problem for LOCH '82 or even DGSD 81, which made generous use of CGI lasers itself, although never to the extremes of SPW '84). I couldn't follow the story for all the CGI lasers that filled the screen seemingly every five minutes.

But maybe the CGI of SPW '84 was used to mask the fact that TVB had a dog of a script (which strayed farther from the novel than most of their other adaptations, apparently) and that Chow Yun Fat, uncharacteristically, acted the role of Ling Wu Chung like he was desperate to get out of his TVB acting contract (which he probably was at the time).

[Ken Cheng]

About Zhou Jie...there was an even freakier pic of him somewhere....its his "I'M GOING TO MAKE MY EYES WIDE SO I LOOK MORE LIKE AN ALIEN" thing...if I can find it, I'll post it.

From what I've been told, during the Mao era in China, actors at state-operated acting academies were trained to roll their eyes open as widely as possible as the proper method to demonstrate "passion." Of course, the only passion one was allowed to express in acting back in those days was loyalty to Chairman Mao and the Chinese Communist Party.

This Zhou Jie fellow is a bit young, but perhaps his acting instructor was trained at the Maoist Academy of Chinese Communist Acting.

[Ian Liew]

Both of those series were made before LOCH '82, correct? If so, it might explain why LOCH '82's SFX were so modest by comparison: possibly, TVB's entire annual budget for SFX was blown on those series, which means LOCH '82 and ROCH '83 would have to be made "old school" style (it might also explain the disco lights finale of ROCH '83).

Buddha's Palm was before LOCH. Holy Fire Tablets was after ROCH - the Ancient Tomb girl was supposed to be Yang Guo's descendant, and they even got somebody to wear Andy Lau's costume, face away from the screen and narrate the 18 Dragon Palms and Dog Beating Stick. I remember thinking "WOW! This is a Condor Heroes sequel"!

SPW '84 started with a craptacular CGI light show and from that point forward, five minutes could not go by on the screen without some gratuitous use of CGI lasers.

Before the first episode, there was a prelude episode as well, which acted as a "making of", showing off all the CGI and different effects. Episode 1 starts with Liu Zhengfeng (Simon Yam) flying across the ocean like Superman, raising a ruined pillar and using it to burrow underground. He enters a chamber and suddenly tons of little yellow CGI baguas fly out and attack him. He fends them off and deflects the last one flying straight at the continer containing the Sunflower Scroll he was seeking. As he flies up to get the scroll, Qu Yang (Kam Kok Wai) intercepts him, and the book falls to the ground, and they both land on either side of it. Enter Zither versus Flute, and Raiders of the Lost Ark effects come in as both of them generate CGI like their lives depended on it, and the whole screen is filled with waves and waves of CGI clashing with one another while the two of them sit down pretending to blow and pluck. Hey, it was cool in those days..

CGI effects were also used to identify certain martial arts. PiXie was the Sith lightsabre CGI, when you drew your finger across the blade and the blade will fill up with red light. If you flicked your finger at the end of the blade the red light will shoot out. Xixing was this incredible spammy blue crackling lightning effect, and the battle between Ren Woxing and Yue Buqun has to be seen to be believed. Poor red lightsabre was nothing compared to a screenful of blue lightning! Yijinjing was just simple orange flame, Hanbingzhenqi was a whirly white mist, Taijijian had cute green yinyangs and Sunflower scroll.. oooh.. it was like Dongfang Bubai's hands could rain pink needles. Raise your palms and suddenly PZZZZZ!! PZZZZZ!! Wide area effect pink needles flying in a big cone!!

CGI wasn't just limited to the big guns. The Peach Valley Fairies would grab somebody by their limbs, then circle every faster. Slowly the person starts to glow pink, and then they pull the pink CGI apart to hide the fact that it wasn't a real person they were tearing apart. When Yue Buqun was being attacked by the Songshan flunkies and the whole Huashan team gets captured, Yue fires off his Zixia (a humble purple ball) at the Songshan disciples (all kelefes, mind you) and they all get together, combine their shields into a big shell, and the shields start to glow and have this green CGI circling round it. Yue, played by the great Kenneth Chun Kong, then has his purple balls ignominiously reflected back at him by a bunch of unnamed kelefe wearing masks.

Those were glorious days, I tell you. They do look ridiculous now, though. Sorry, went off-topic again! LOCH doesn't have enough CGI to even compare to this, and there's only so many times I can mention the Dragon Palms!

[TiffTiff]

I'm sorry but I'm kinda sick & tired of remakes, can't they make some new movies? I know that Yin Jong (is that how you spell his name? ) I'm Vietnamese so I don't know the Chinese name of the famous author who wrote all of these LOCH, ROCH, HSDS stories . I thought he wrote a lot of stories, why can't they adapt some of his other stories??? They keep chewing on the same stuff over and over again.

As for HR character, vietnamese is Hoa`ng Dung, I think Barbara was the best, next was Athena. The '03 version, sure HR & Shui Ling were way pretty, but Zhou Ton (Cha^u Ta^'n) looks too sensitive & soft to play that character. Maybe if they switch her to Shui Ling's character, that might sound fun.

For Ariel, imo, she's not pretty at all, I don't see anything unique from her face. For Zhou Ton & Shui Ling, their big, beautiful eyes & square face attract you, but Ariel...nothing special. She's being PROMOTED too much. They should let other actress have a chance. I think Ady or Ruby Lin might be a good choice to play HR or Zhang Min.

Sorry ya, I'm picky when it comes to movie, if a movie has a main char & that actor/actress is not pretty, I'm not going 2 watch it

[Ken Cheng]

Ian: that's a pretty detailed description of SPW '84's CGI excess. I couldn't even follow the story for all the CGI fireworks.

[darknight123]

No doubt TVB's LOCH '82 (Felix Wong, Barbara Yung) is always the Classic. It's the Best LOCH adaption. No one ever beat Felix Wong and Barbara Yung as GJ and HR.

[PeterBanh]

No doubt TVB's LOCH '82 (Felix Wong, Barbara Yung) is always the Classic. It's the Best LOCH adaption. No one ever beat Felix Wong and Barbara Yung as GJ and HR.

Totally agree with you.
Plus, I really like the fight here. Mostly hand to hand combat instead of special effects.....
The series "The foundation" also really good series of Felix, Barbara, Michael Miu. The fight of this series also really good, even slower hand to hand combat. THe storyline is very good and unique athough it is sad. Mainland series can't compare to tvb series of the golden 80s

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[darknight123]

Totally agree with you.
Plus, I really like the fight here. Mostly hand to hand combat instead of special effects.....
The series "The foundation" also really good series of Felix, Barbara, Michael Miu. The fight of this series also really good, even slower hand to hand combat. THe storyline is very good and unique athough it is sad. Mainland series can't compare to tvb series of the golden 80s

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Thanks for the info PeterBanh, I will watch "The Foundation" series. When is this serires came out? in "80s?

Mainland series can't compare to tvb series of the golden 80s.

Very WELL Said PeterBanh . Absolutely definitely toatlly Agreed w/ u PeterBanh on this quote.

[PeterBanh]

Thanks for the info PeterBanh, I will watch "The Foundation" series. When is this serires came out? in "80s?

Very WELL Said PeterBanh . Absolutely definitely toatlly Agreed w/ u PeterBanh on this quote.

This series came out on 1984. However, I just watch it couple years ago when it released in Viet DVD. This is a 20 episodes series. I finished it within 24 hours because it is so great. One of the best series ever. LOCH82 and The Foundation are my all time favorite series. No series can compare to those two.
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[Ken Cheng]

My first adolescent crush was Michelle Pau, who sang the theme song for THE FOUNDATION.

[PeterBanh]

My first adolescent crush was Michelle Pau, who sang the theme song for THE FOUNDATION.

The theme song, subtheme songs, and the background music of this series is among the best....

Very beautiful costumes, awesome martial art, great storyline, excellent artists and acting, ect.... Flawless series....

[redfirefly124]

I know that Yin Jong (is that how you spell his name? ) I'm Vietnamese so I don't know the Chinese name of the famous author who wrote all of these LOCH, ROCH, HSDS stories .

Close. His name is Jin Yong.

Mainland series can't compare to tvb series of the golden 80s

Actually, I believe in the opposite....

Okay, to make this actually a structured debate, I propose that each person states their opinion on their favorite LOCH in the following sections:
1. 4 main characters (i'll have fun trying to support Zhou Jie...)
2. Supporting Characters
3. Scenery
4. Music
5. Fighting
6. Script/Plot
7. 'Atmosphere'
8. Overall
What do you guys think?

[Sparky]

Mainland series can't compare to tvb series of the golden 80s

That is like the one thing I agree with Peterbanh on.

Well, since redfirefly124 suggested it, a STRUCTURED DEBATE:
1. 4 main characters: LOCH '82
LOCH '82 definitely had the best main cast. Felix Wong easily wins as the best Guo Jing - he displayed Guo Jing's slowness along with his good heart, while not taking it so far so that Guo Jing seemed like he was mentally retarded.

As for Huang Rong, obviously I'd pick Barbara Yung. She's basically a legend. I think it's one of those performances that you can't replicate. Although her Huang Rong isn't completely like the novel's, Barbara added her own essence to the character, while still retaining much of Jin Yong's Huang Rong.

Heh now Yang Kang...that's really a no-brainer. LOCH '95 didn't have a very good Yang Kang or Mu Nianci, although both weren't bad to the point where I wanted to throw something at the TV. And LOCH '03...Zhou Jie. Wonderful wonderful. No arguments on this one - Miu Kai Wai wins hands-down. He portrayed Yang Kang's charisma, obsession with power, attractiveness (well, he had to be somewhat attractive to get Mu Nianci)...

And finally Mu Nianci. With this I'm a bit more torn. I liked both Shui Ling's version and Yeung Panpan's. I would say that Shui Ling is a tad too sharp looking to play Mu Nianci, while Yeung Panpan isn't beautiful by today's standards.

RANKING:
1. LOCH '82
2. LOCH '95
3. LOCH '03

2. Supporting Characters: LOCH '82
Besides having a great leading cast, LOCH '82 also had an amazing supporting cast. The Greats were amazing, along with all of the seven Jiang Nan freaks. Zhou Botong and Huang Yaoshi also impressed me. LOCH 95's highlights were its leading actor and actress - Julian Cheung and Athena Chu. And finally, LOCH 03's supporting cast was worse than it's leading cast.

RANKING:
1. LOCH '82
2. LOCH '95
3. LOCH '03

3. Scenery: LOCH '03 Well, obviously Mainland productions have the edge here. China is a huge country and Hong Kong is...not very big. But I think TVB made good use of their resources...

RANKING:
1. LOCH '03
2. LOCH '82/LOCH '95

4. Music: I can barely understand what it means w/o the subtitles, but LOCH '82 has a wonderful theme song. Such an authentic wuxia feel. LOCH '03 didn't have a bad theme song either. I can't recall from LOCH '95, so I'm assuming it wasn't that significant.

RANKING:
1. LOCH '82
2. LOCH '03
LOCH '95?

5. Fighting: Heh this isn't exactly my area of expertise, so I'll let you guys debate it out. Although in my humble opinion that's probably really wrong...

1. LOCH '03
2. LOCH '95
3. LOCH '82

6. Script/Plot: LOCH '03
LOCH '03 was the most faithful to JY's novel. LOCH '82 had a nice plot, but it digressed from the novel.

7. 'Atmosphere': I'll have to give some thought to this one.

8. Costumes/Make-up/Hair: LOCH '82 - my own new category
I expected to give LOCH '03 the nod on this one, but I can't say I agree with ZJZ's costume choice. Huang Rong has a few nice outfits, but some are completely out of the time period. Like Huang Rong's halter top, which I believe I've mentioned before. And that outfit they dressed Zhou Jie in during Mu Nianci's Fighting for a Spouse...plus Zhou Jie's hair looked CREEPY in that. That bun!

Meanwhile, LOCH '95...Huang Rong had like three costumes. It was a cheap production, so didn't expect much.

LOCH '82 had beautiful costumes, IMO. I liked most of the costumes Huang Rong wore, along with Yang Kang's. Guo Jing's were all right, not exceptional.

8. Overall: LEGEND OF THE CONDOR HEROES 1982!! Yeah TVB and Felix and Barbara.

[PeterBanh]

That is like the one thing I agree with Peterbanh on.

Well, since redfirefly124 suggested it, a STRUCTURED DEBATE:
1. 4 main characters: LOCH '82
LOCH '82 definitely had the best main cast. Felix Wong easily wins as the best Guo Jing - he displayed Guo Jing's slowness along with his good heart, while not taking it so far so that Guo Jing seemed like he was mentally retarded.

As for Huang Rong, obviously I'd pick Barbara Yung. She's basically a legend. I think it's one of those performances that you can't replicate. Although her Huang Rong isn't completely like the novel's, Barbara added her own essence to the character, while still retaining much of Jin Yong's Huang Rong.

Heh now Yang Kang...that's really a no-brainer. LOCH '95 didn't have a very good Yang Kang or Mu Nianci, although both weren't bad to the point where I wanted to throw something at the TV. And LOCH '03...Zhou Jie. Wonderful wonderful. No arguments on this one - Miu Kai Wai wins hands-down. He portrayed Yang Kang's charisma, obsession with power, attractiveness (well, he had to be somewhat attractive to get Mu Nianci)...

And finally Mu Nianci. With this I'm a bit more torn. I liked both Shui Ling's version and Yeung Panpan's. I would say that Shui Ling is a tad too sharp looking to play Mu Nianci, while Yeung Panpan isn't beautiful by today's standards.

RANKING:
1. LOCH '82
2. LOCH '95
3. LOCH '03

2. Supporting Characters: LOCH '82
Besides having a great leading cast, LOCH '82 also had an amazing supporting cast. The Greats were amazing, along with all of the seven Jiang Nan freaks. Zhou Botong and Huang Yaoshi also impressed me. LOCH 95's highlights were its leading actor and actress - Julian Cheung and Athena Chu. And finally, LOCH 03's supporting cast was worse than it's leading cast.

RANKING:
1. LOCH '82
2. LOCH '95
3. LOCH '03

3. Scenery: LOCH '03 Well, obviously Mainland productions have the edge here. China is a huge country and Hong Kong is...not very big. But I think TVB made good use of their resources...

RANKING:
1. LOCH '03
2. LOCH '82/LOCH '95

4. Music: I can barely understand what it means w/o the subtitles, but LOCH '82 has a wonderful theme song. Such an authentic wuxia feel. LOCH '03 didn't have a bad theme song either. I can't recall from LOCH '95, so I'm assuming it wasn't that significant.

RANKING:
1. LOCH '82
2. LOCH '03
LOCH '95?

5. Fighting: Heh this isn't exactly my area of expertise, so I'll let you guys debate it out. Although in my humble opinion that's probably really wrong...

1. LOCH '03
2. LOCH '95
3. LOCH '82

6. Script/Plot: LOCH '03
LOCH '03 was the most faithful to JY's novel. LOCH '82 had a nice plot, but it digressed from the novel.

7. 'Atmosphere': I'll have to give some thought to this one.

8. Costumes/Make-up/Hair: LOCH '82 - my own new category
I expected to give LOCH '03 the nod on this one, but I can't say I agree with ZJZ's costume choice. Huang Rong has a few nice outfits, but some are completely out of the time period. Like Huang Rong's halter top, which I believe I've mentioned before. And that outfit they dressed Zhou Jie in during Mu Nianci's Fighting for a Spouse...plus Zhou Jie's hair looked CREEPY in that. That bun!

Meanwhile, LOCH '95...Huang Rong had like three costumes. It was a cheap production, so didn't expect much.

LOCH '82 had beautiful costumes, IMO. I liked most of the costumes Huang Rong wore, along with Yang Kang's. Guo Jing's were all right, not exceptional.

8. Overall: LEGEND OF THE CONDOR HEROES 1982!! Yeah TVB and Felix and Barbara.

Well say Sparky. EHheheh at least there is one thing that we agree on.
Even though LOCH82 has technological disadvantage, LOCH82 still far better than mainland LOCH03.

[LuNaR]

That is like the one thing I agree with Peterbanh on.

Well, since redfirefly124 suggested it, a STRUCTURED DEBATE:
1. 4 main characters: LOCH '82
LOCH '82 definitely had the best main cast. Felix Wong easily wins as the best Guo Jing - he displayed Guo Jing's slowness along with his good heart, while not taking it so far so that Guo Jing seemed like he was mentally retarded.

As for Huang Rong, obviously I'd pick Barbara Yung. She's basically a legend. I think it's one of those performances that you can't replicate. Although her Huang Rong isn't completely like the novel's, Barbara added her own essence to the character, while still retaining much of Jin Yong's Huang Rong.

Heh now Yang Kang...that's really a no-brainer. LOCH '95 didn't have a very good Yang Kang or Mu Nianci, although both weren't bad to the point where I wanted to throw something at the TV. And LOCH '03...Zhou Jie. Wonderful wonderful. No arguments on this one - Miu Kai Wai wins hands-down. He portrayed Yang Kang's charisma, obsession with power, attractiveness (well, he had to be somewhat attractive to get Mu Nianci)...

And finally Mu Nianci. With this I'm a bit more torn. I liked both Shui Ling's version and Yeung Panpan's. I would say that Shui Ling is a tad too sharp looking to play Mu Nianci, while Yeung Panpan isn't beautiful by today's standards.

RANKING:
1. LOCH '82
2. LOCH '95
3. LOCH '03

2. Supporting Characters: LOCH '82
Besides having a great leading cast, LOCH '82 also had an amazing supporting cast. The Greats were amazing, along with all of the seven Jiang Nan freaks. Zhou Botong and Huang Yaoshi also impressed me. LOCH 95's highlights were its leading actor and actress - Julian Cheung and Athena Chu. And finally, LOCH 03's supporting cast was worse than it's leading cast.

RANKING:
1. LOCH '82
2. LOCH '95
3. LOCH '03

3. Scenery: LOCH '03 Well, obviously Mainland productions have the edge here. China is a huge country and Hong Kong is...not very big. But I think TVB made good use of their resources...

RANKING:
1. LOCH '03
2. LOCH '82/LOCH '95

4. Music: I can barely understand what it means w/o the subtitles, but LOCH '82 has a wonderful theme song. Such an authentic wuxia feel. LOCH '03 didn't have a bad theme song either. I can't recall from LOCH '95, so I'm assuming it wasn't that significant.

RANKING:
1. LOCH '82
2. LOCH '03
LOCH '95?

5. Fighting: Heh this isn't exactly my area of expertise, so I'll let you guys debate it out. Although in my humble opinion that's probably really wrong...

1. LOCH '03
2. LOCH '95
3. LOCH '82

6. Script/Plot: LOCH '03
LOCH '03 was the most faithful to JY's novel. LOCH '82 had a nice plot, but it digressed from the novel.

7. 'Atmosphere': I'll have to give some thought to this one.

8. Costumes/Make-up/Hair: LOCH '82 - my own new category
I expected to give LOCH '03 the nod on this one, but I can't say I agree with ZJZ's costume choice. Huang Rong has a few nice outfits, but some are completely out of the time period. Like Huang Rong's halter top, which I believe I've mentioned before. And that outfit they dressed Zhou Jie in during Mu Nianci's Fighting for a Spouse...plus Zhou Jie's hair looked CREEPY in that. That bun!

Meanwhile, LOCH '95...Huang Rong had like three costumes. It was a cheap production, so didn't expect much.

LOCH '82 had beautiful costumes, IMO. I liked most of the costumes Huang Rong wore, along with Yang Kang's. Guo Jing's were all right, not exceptional.

8. Overall: LEGEND OF THE CONDOR HEROES 1982!! Yeah TVB and Felix and Barbara.

this is so biased!

haha i countered ur 10 paragraphs with 4 words

[Ken Cheng]

this is so biased!

haha i countered ur 10 paragraphs with 4 words

This thread is looking for opinions, which by *definition* are supposed to be biased.

It'd be one thing if the thread-starter claimed to be making a scientific proof why one adaptation is better than another, but since this thread is clearly seeking opinions, bias is necessarily a part of the plan.