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    OP, if you attack 2nd but reach first, and aimed at a point that will disable the enemy, you won't get hurt, suicide or not.
    e.g. if someone tried to suicide at you, but you chopped off their arm

    but as everyone has mentioned, it's highly unlikely you'll reach first unless when you execute the move second unless you have a longer sword, or the other guy was not coming straight at you (but the suicider mostly likely would be).
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeongJai View Post
    OP, if you attack 2nd but reach first, and aimed at a point that will disable the enemy, you won't get hurt, suicide or not.
    e.g. if someone tried to suicide at you, but you chopped off their arm

    but as everyone has mentioned, it's highly unlikely you'll reach first unless when you execute the move second unless you have a longer sword, or the other guy was not coming straight at you (but the suicider mostly likely would be).
    Well, if you launch your attack after your enemy has launched their attack first, but has a higher internal energy which enable you to propel your technique/weapon faster than your opponent ---> then you will reach your opponent before your opponent reaches you.
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    I think they're probably at the same level as or one level below Ah Qing, which is about the level of a 2nd or 3rd generation Quan Zhen disciple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Han Solo View Post
    Well, if you launch your attack after your enemy has launched their attack first, but has a higher internal energy which enable you to propel your technique/weapon faster than your opponent ---> then you will reach your opponent before your opponent reaches you.
    Not the case of Dugu 9 Swords and is irrelevant to LHC's case in the beginning of the novel

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    Quote Originally Posted by batmankiller View Post
    Not the case of Dugu 9 Swords and is irrelevant to LHC's case in the beginning of the novel
    In those cases, the positioning is more important.

    But the early DG9J scenes certainly contradicts the major premises of JY about the correlation between internal energy and speed of attack.

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    I think they're probably at the same level as or one level below Ah Qing, which is about the level of a 2nd or 3rd generation Quan Zhen disciple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Han Solo View Post
    In those cases, the positioning is more important.

    But the early DG9J scenes certainly contradicts the major premises of JY about the correlation between internal energy and speed of attack.

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    not so much contradiction but rather his shift of focus towards a higher value in technique. afterall in ROCH, little dragon lady was one of the fastests movers, beating out great-leveled super power despite being far behind in internal energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CC View Post
    but the stab had a surprising position that his sword would have pierced the enemy’s belly before the enemy’s weapon would ever reach him.

    Therein lies my biggest beef with Dugu Jiu Jian. It defies inter-spatial perception... LHC was pointing his sword tip at Feng's _Belly_Button_.

    Use your imagination on how Feng had to hold his sword in order for him to be unable to touch LHC.
    The only geometry I can imagine this to work is IF LHC is squatting, Feng Buping standing; Feng thrusted down at his neck, and his thrust up at Feng's belly button was straighter than Feng's thrust.

    Didn't seem to be the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ View Post
    The only geometry I can imagine this to work is IF LHC is squatting, Feng Buping standing; Feng thrusted down at his neck, and his thrust up at Feng's belly button was straighter than Feng's thrust.

    Didn't seem to be the case.
    After all this time, I have decided to just ignore DG9J from my head canon. Same way I ignore other nonsense feats which defy my sense of perception like Ah Zhu being able to pass off as Xiao Feng without a bloody sci-fi cloaking device or comic superpower.
    Its BIxie Jianfa Gawdammit you guys!!!!

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    DG9Y is not for everyone. it can be strong and it can be weak. maybe the attribute is anticipation. This skill as mentioned during SPW requires intelligent. It relies on understanding opponent style. Style can broken if you know what opponent going to do next. example a simple boxing combo left right upper cut. Once the combo is done. you will know the speed and power of the combo. hence to be able to take advantage of this is to intercept the skill. with a sword drawn at you. you can only retreat or pull back from doing the combo otherwise you can hurt. Mayflower is one of the best at this. but his skill is boxing. it is not lethal punch if not vital portion of the body. Imagine his punches is a thrusting sword. one counter attack is over. because DGQB has wandered the jianghu for many years, he knows most of the combo hence only needs to see them excute the combo and anticipate the speed. That why LHC are strong when he encounters the good sect due to the knowledge in the tomb and weak against unknown style. Another skill need to excute DG9J properly is most likely evasion or repositioning. evasion also derives from anticipation. Imagine a goal keeper. Hence its advantage is it doesn't need any internal energy unless you are slower than opponent to counter attack. Internal energy can only increase speed and damage of an attack. the draw back of speed and damage of an attack is normally countered as explain in tai chi concept absorbtion or redirection of attack. However taichi will fail if the attack is too fast or too strong to absorb. Hence taichi nature has both yin and yang. Yin mostly speed and damage and yang is mostly damage and strength. strength to absorb the certain level of blow. So if you using yin internal with DG9J you could be faster than most opponent as the concept of anticipation increase further the speed of excution. if you using yang internal with DG9Y, you may take some blow but you are able to withstand that blow if internal is strong enough. Taichi internal would balance both speed and blow receive due both elements. So DG9J has to be used by practioner with high internal skill and high inteligence on anticipation. Why DG9Y might lose to lower level martial art is because unfamiliarity. So normally it is better to observe before countering. it will be useless when using DG9Y when you are being ambush. because it is a first strike. So what DG9Y, it is basic move like left or right straight punch which is so common like holding a sword in pointing position. key is not to have a style or combo but to break the continuity of style and combo. it is dependant on user knowledge of anticipation of opponents movement and style. the slower the opponent, the less damage it deals. the faster the opponent the more damage it deals. so it depends on reflection concept.

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