Double standard?

[PJ]

In DGSD, it is said that Celestial Dragon Monastery's Abbot Benyin reached level 4 of Yiyang Finger, and that he would never reach level 1 in his life time.

In ROCH, it is said that Yideng has reached the peak of perfection in Yiyang Finger.

Many Trilogy supporters argue that Yideng has reached DGSD's legendary level 1, even though the level system describe in DGSD was NEVER mentioned in ROCH.

This assumes that DGSD's Yiyang Finger is the same as Trilogy's Yiyang Finger.

and yet...

In DGSD, we know that Yijinjing is one of the top 2 or 3 internal energy cultivation methods under heaven. Even the Elites like Murong Bo and Jiumozhi would benefit greatly from it.

In SPW, Abbot Fangzheng is a practitioner of Yijingjing.

Applying the logic of the Yiyang Finger argument, we should ignore some discrepancies between the 2 versions of Yijingjing. So the Yijinjing that Abbot Fangzheng learned should be considered the same as the one in DGSD, which would place Fangzheng above the level of Jiumozhi, Xiao Feng, et al.

And yet, most people don't seem to believe that.

Isn't this a major double standard?

[ChronoReverse]

Well, RWX and I both believe that the YJJ of SOD is as good as the DGSD one...

[PJ]

Well, RWX and I both believe that the YJJ of SOD is as good as the DGSD one...

Well, both of you are not really Trilogy supporters.

And if you believe that Fangzheng knows DGSD's YJJ, then he should definitely be above Xiao Feng.

[ChronoReverse]

Why is that? YJJ is the ultimate Shaolin internal energy martial art but it's only demonstrably uber powerful in fluke situations (ice worm++).

[PJ]

Why is that? YJJ is the ultimate Shaolin internal energy martial art but it's only demonstrably uber powerful in fluke situations (ice worm++).

Well, Murong Bo considered YJJ and 6MSJ to be the top 2 kung fu's in the world. He didn't have access to Yiyang Finger or XL18Z either, but he considered YJJ to be more of a gem.

We saw how powerful 6MSJ is. If 6MSJ and YJJ are peers and peerless to all, we can begin to imagine how powerful YJJ must be.

[ChronoReverse]

They're not even the same class of martial arts. 6MSJ is mostly attacking art while YJJ is internal art. I don't think they can be compared directly like that.

Besides, the comparison is only hearsay since we don't actually see its ability. In 3rd edition, even the fluke was completely separated from YJJ.

[cristal entity]

How about YJJ combined with 6MSJ!

[Dennis Chen]

This is probably why Jin Yong changed the Yi Jing Jing in DGSD to yoga techniques.

[wacka]

in DOMD, there were also some monks that learned/mastered YJJ, so how good are they compare to Fangzheng?

[PJ]

They're not even the same class of martial arts. 6MSJ is mostly attacking art while YJJ is internal art. I don't think they can be compared directly like that.

Well, we can consider them to be the pinnacle of their respective category:

6MSJ = the most lethal external technique

YJJ = most powerful internal cultivation method

Besides, the comparison is only hearsay since we don't actually see its ability. In 3rd edition, even the fluke was completely separated from YJJ.

I think Murong Bo's opinion on this matter can be trusted.
He does have "Bo" ("broad knowledge") in his name.
He was sure that YJJ > 72 arts by a long shot.

[PJ]

in DOMD, there were also some monks that learned/mastered YJJ, so how good are they compare to Fangzheng?

This question reflects the heart of the matter. At what point do we consider an entity to be comparable across time continuum, and when do we consider it to not be the same any more?

[PJ]

This is probably why Jin Yong changed the Yi Jing Jing in DGSD to yoga techniques.

I think Jin Yong only changed it to Yoga for You Tanzhi's part. The part about Murong Bo proclaiming YJJ & 6MSJ = #1 remain. If Murong Bo (aka Mr. Broad Knowledge) is to be believed, and Fangzheng did learn DGSD's YJJ, then Fang Zheng should > DGSD Elites.

[ChronoReverse]

That doesn't necessarily follow. The level of mastery still counts. FZ had "fathomless" internal energy, but even then he might not necessarily have achieved the pinnacle of YJJ.

[PJ]

That doesn't necessarily follow. The level of mastery still counts. FZ had "fathomless" internal energy, but even then he might not necessarily have achieved the pinnacle of YJJ.

Given all the hype, it's hard to believe that one who is good enough to master DGSD's YJJ would not be as good as the DGSD Elites.

But as I stated before, you are not the intended audience for this topic. I know there are people who believe the Yiyang Zhi Consistency Theory, but doesn't believe the YJJ Consistency Theory. My point was that one should believe both or none, but not one.