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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ View Post
    But the main reason why he got smacked down was that he let his guard down too quickly, i.e. his lack of experience, which is generally true about him.



    Don't forget he got injured by Zhou Zhiruo of all people, who tricked him into believing that she didn't have any energy. When he retracted his full power, she attacked, injuring him. Sounds familiar? That's exactly what Miejue did above.



    Right, so if he's ALWAYS holding back, always falling for traps such as retracting energy too soon, what makes you think he won't do the same choking against Great-level opponents?
    The fight against Miejue. ZWJ didn't know about his internal, so theres nothing to let down on. He didn't use his internal to block her palms, which would've dealt the damage with or without the "tricky" bit.

    Bit remember who ZZR is. She was engaged with ZWJ and ZWJ "humiliated" her in front of the whole of Wulin by deserting her for Zhao Min. ZWJ feels too much in debt to ZZR and its natural not wanting to strike her down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Perhaps the awareness that he is fighting an opponent who is at least his equal, who could kill him if he doesn't fight at his very best.

    During HSDS, he never faced a challenge like that. He always fought gingerly to spare his weaker adversaries.
    But there is the comparison with Yang Guo's performance against the Shi brothers, whom he subdued rather easily but without injuring any of them. Indeed, against Shi Shugang, he used significant portion of his power, realised the state his opponent was in, then withdrew that power much the same as Zhang Wuji did. However, even while sparing his opponent, he didn't drop his guard as Zhang Wuji is wont to do, so that when Shi Jiqiang took up the fight, he dealt with him just as easily.

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    You cant really blame ZWJ for getting injured by MJ. He just got out of 5 years of seclusion. None of the apes in the valley ever did that trick.

    ZWJ get alot of bashing in this forum for underperforming, which he doesnt deserve.

    The fight against MJ:
    His first real internal fight. Yes he has alot more inner power than MJ, but he spendt 5 years learning 9 yang to cure himself, not to overwhelm his opponents. So he didnt really know how to use his powers. He got tricked the first two palms and got injured. But after just a few minutes of thinking, he understood how to deal with opposing innerforce. MJ couldnt do sqwuat to him during the third palm.

    His fight against the 4 elders using Liangyi Swordplay and Liangyi Sabres:
    Theese arts where described as more sophisticated than QKDNY! This is his first real fight against multiple opponents and against opponents with weapons. Remember, although his MA at this time is Great level, he still doesnt have any real figthing experience. He didnt have any sifu to teach him how to fight until he met Z3F at wudan. He was loosing, mainly because he didnt know how to counter the formation and choosing the big rock as weapon wasnt exactly an advantage. ZZR helped him by giving him a few pointers, which he understood and implemented right then and there during the fight!

    Remember that he also had to maintain peace between Ming cult and wulin. He had to win without injure or kill his opponents.

    His fights at wudan:
    He did a great job against the three Ah's.
    He got injured by the XM elders. This is a result of wulin inexperience and plot device. He rushed toward ZM to stop her from leaving and didnt even think that there would be anyone else that could stop him. He was wrong, but how else could ZM and co leave wudan unharmed?

    ZWJ demonstrated his abilities against XM elders during their meeting in the Pagoda. There he defeated both of them fairly quickly, but didnt killed them. He wasnt that sort of guy and besides, he had to save the entire wulin, again.

    His fight against the persian Ming cult:
    In HSDS, strange and unorthodox moves has great advantage (remember ZZR and her white bone claws). Again he had to think of the consequences. As the leader of central plains Ming cult, he cannot injure or kill them. That would mean a war between the two Ming cults. Again, he had to break the technique, not the opponents.


    His fight against 24 tibetian monks:
    This is his first figth where he didnt bother to break the opponents moves. He just concentrated on winning. The monks were loosing and joined their forces toghether to clash palm with ZWJ. Dont know if they were a match against him internal wise, but the old ZWJ would fight fair and square by clashing palms up front. The new ZWJ tricked them by hitting them from the side and was about to win, when he got hit by a sneak attack by one of the elders. One could argu that he should have noticed the elder, but this is plot device to make ZWJ and ZM not able to run away from her father, so that she could tell him that she loved him and would follow him. This is one of the reason ZWJ choose ZM.


    His three fight against Du monks:
    The first fight he almost lost his life. But he didnt really fought, he tried to explained to them the situation.

    The second fight was much better. He was really trying to win, but of course not going all out. He held of two of the monks while Left herald and his grandfahter fought the third. Its a shame his grandfather was loosing badly and they had to stop, otherwise they could have won the fight.

    The last figth he fought virtually alone against the monks. Now this time he went all out. Giving it everything he got. That did the job.


    His fight against ZZR:
    Everyone in wulin had trouble her White bone claws, but he didnt. People had also trouble against 1st wudan heros son (forgot how to spell his name), but ZWJ showed Right herald a few moves that would counter his moves. ZWJ didnt have any trouble against her, except from the palm clash when he felt that she didnt put any power behind it. Now he is an emotionall guy, and consider the history he had with her and the fact that he felt a bit ashame, he retract his energy show that he would hurt her. But then she pulled out the old trick and enforce her palm with the combined force of his and hers energy.

    Yes, he is stupid, but that trick wouldn't work if it werent ZZR who pulled it and during this context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CC View Post
    Might not work since ZWJ might have no balls!
    Ownage.

    Wins the thread imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamer View Post
    The fight against Miejue. ZWJ didn't know about his internal, so theres nothing to let down on.
    He already possessed an auto-protect which was far greater than Miejue's internal base. The reason he got hit badly is that he got tricked by Miejue into letting go of his internal protection; this was stated in the novel.

    He didn't use his internal to block her palms, which would've dealt the damage with or without the "tricky" bit.
    Not true. He originally had the auto-protect.

    Bit remember who ZZR is. She was engaged with ZWJ and ZWJ "humiliated" her in front of the whole of Wulin by deserting her for Zhao Min. ZWJ feels too much in debt to ZZR and its natural not wanting to strike her down.
    The trick is the same that Miejue used. It would have worked no matter who used it on Zhang Wuji, it's just that people don't normally use it b/c it's a form of suicide if you're not sure whether your opponent will retract his power.
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ View Post
    The trick is the same that Miejue used. It would have worked no matter who used it on Zhang Wuji, it's just that people don't normally use it b/c it's a form of suicide if you're not sure whether your opponent will retract his power.
    Not true. If Cheng Kun used it, do you think ZWJ will retract? ZWJ retracted purely because he was in debt to ZZR.

    I will read up on the bit MJ beat up ZWJ again to make sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamer View Post
    Not true. If Cheng Kun used it, do you think ZWJ will retract? ZWJ retracted purely because he was in debt to ZZR.

    I will read up on the bit MJ beat up ZWJ again to make sure.
    Agree, wasnt it you, PJ, who screamed CONTEXT a while ago in another thread?
    You do know that it is just fiction, dont you?

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    Good long analysis AnhHung lol.

    The passage says
    张无忌一惊之下,护体的九阳神功自然发出,和对方拍来的掌力一挡,就在这两
    股巨大的内劲将触未撞、方遇未接之际,灭绝师太的掌力忽然无影无踪的消失了。张无忌一
    呆,抬头看她时,猛地里胸口犹似受了铁锤的一击。他立足不定,向后接连摔了两个筋斗,
    哇的一声,喷出一口鲜血,委顿在地,便似一堆软泥。灭绝师太的掌力如此忽吞忽吐,闪烁
    不定,引开敌人的内力,然后再行发力,实是内家武学中精奥之极的修为。旁观众人中武功
    深湛之士识得这一掌的妙处,都忍不住喝彩。

    I don't see anything about ZWJ actively putting his guard down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamer View Post
    I don't see anything about ZWJ actively putting his guard down.
    The Highlighted Part:

    张无忌一惊之下,护体的九阳神功自然发出,和对方拍来的掌力一挡,就在这两
    股巨大的内劲将触未撞、方遇未接之际,灭绝师太的掌力忽然无影无踪的消失了。张无忌一
    ,抬头看她时,猛地里胸口犹似受了铁锤的一击。他立足不定,向后接连摔了两个筋斗,
    哇的一声,喷出一口鲜血,委顿在地,便似一堆软泥。灭绝师太的掌力如此忽吞忽吐,闪烁
    不定,引开敌人的内力,然后再行发力,实是内家武学中精奥之极的修为。旁观众人中武功
    深湛之士识得这一掌的妙处,都忍不住喝彩。
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamer View Post
    Not true. If Cheng Kun used it, do you think ZWJ will retract?
    Given his record, yes, I could see that happening.

    Zhang Wuji falls for a lot of tricks.

    Agree, wasnt it you, PJ, who screamed CONTEXT a while ago in another thread?
    Nope.
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ View Post
    Given his record, yes, I could see that happening.

    Zhang Wuji falls for a lot of tricks.


    Nope.
    Lol I'm sure he will not pull back his palm and I think most people will agree that ZWJ retracted his palm mostly because of his special relationship with ZZR.


    Yes PJ you screamed CONTEXT in another thread. I think it was about the "1000 jin" description of one's power. Ring a bell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ View Post
    The Highlighted Part:

    张无忌一惊之下,护体的九阳神功自然发出,和对方拍来的掌力一挡,就在这两
    股巨大的内劲将触未撞、方遇未接之际,灭绝师太的掌力忽然无影无踪的消失了。张无忌一
    ,抬头看她时,猛地里胸口犹似受了铁锤的一击。他立足不定,向后接连摔了两个筋斗,
    哇的一声,喷出一口鲜血,委顿在地,便似一堆软泥。灭绝师太的掌力如此忽吞忽吐,闪烁
    不定,引开敌人的内力,然后再行发力,实是内家武学中精奥之极的修为。旁观众人中武功
    深湛之士识得这一掌的妙处,都忍不住喝彩。

    张无忌一呆 was simply because he was surprised that MJ's palm did so little damage. Instead of ZWJ actively removing his protection.

    引开敌人的内力 is just the specialty of the palm and as I suggested earlier, the palm would've dealt the same damage regardless because ZWJ didn't muster any internal in the first place. It has always been the 'auto' bit. You will notice that MJ's second palm did not have the 'tricky' bit in it yet it dealt more damage on ZWJ despite his apparent 'auto-protect'. The 2nd palm should've been more powerful but it also should've been met by ZWJ's auto-protect which obviously did almost nothing. This leads me to deduce that ZWJ did not muster any internal to block any contact in the first place, much less REMOVING his guard when tricked.

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    I think ZWJ with Persian martial arts stand a good chance of beating Xiao Feng, twisted or not. Though ZWJ would die soon after either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    Though ZWJ would die soon after either way.
    I think those things only happen to old martial artists. Without their internal energy, their body can't be sustained but this is rarely the case for younger people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CC View Post
    Might not work since ZWJ might have no balls!
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    Damn all you ZWJ bashers, just jealous because he did a WXB with all those girl on the island a whole 400 years before WXB. While XF is a closet gay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yittz View Post
    Damn all you ZWJ bashers, just jealous because he did a WXB with all those girl on the island a whole 400 years before WXB. While XF is a closet gay.
    Sad that this closet gay is probably manlier than all the male members of this forum combined. =0
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    Slight correction:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Balancing this out, of course, is the fact that it took Ah Chu all night to die after being struck point-blank by Kiu Fung's "full-powered" Hong Lung 28 Palms.
    Ah Zhu died after a few minutes of being struck by Xiao Feng, just long enough to tell him the reason, and put the curse on him (aka "take care of Ah Zi").
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    Quote Originally Posted by AH
    hm..then Ah Chu > Sweeper
    Believe me, the thought is very tempting...
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    Xiao Feng is actually winning in the poll? Well I voted for him too.
    Btw, do people normally call him XF or QF? Because for some reason, I can only think of him as QF.

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