Golden Wheel Monk vs. Cheun Jen 5 Disciples (no YG/LDG interference)?

[flamer]

法王激斗中觉得高台微微摇晃，心知台脚为火焚毁，顷刻间便要倒塌

That happened AFTER he already fought over 200 stances with Yang Guo. The platform wasn't about to tumble the entire time. It was only towards the end of fight when it became unstable.

But it says 激斗中. We can't be sure when he realised this, all the while of 200 stances or after 200 stances. But also remember that GWM thought he would be disadvantaged after 100 stances AFTER this realisation (during or after 200 stances regardless), so he was indeed distracted when he made that judgement.

[yittz]

Seven put them in a dead heat with a single Great during LOCH. In ROCH, their number had been whittled down to five, but they had reinvented their formation strategy around that, and had apparently shifted from a skill-based plan to a power-based one.

The Cheun Jen Disciples functioned synergystically as a collective...not to the extent that Cheung 3 Fung would later train his Mo Dong 7 Heroes disciples to be, but as a formidable forerunner to that. Certainly, the Mongol warriors who attacked Chung Yeung Temple seemed quite wary of the five surviving disciples.

The 5 was to compete against AT martial arts. So it was to counter XLN and YG. But when they saw XLN fighting JLFW, they realised they failed. Hence I doubt the 5 could match JLFW.

And what's with this JLFW worship and anti ZWJ from flamer and lunar? There's a thread for that elsewhere.

It's fact that JLFW is powerful, but it's also fact that he is the biggest choker in the trilogy and was a complete fail as a villian. Compare him with the likes of JMZ, MRB and OYF, no lets take it further, Guo Fu did more damage to YG+XLN than JLFW ever did.

[LuNaR]

The 5 was to compete against AT martial arts. So it was to counter XLN and YG. But when they saw XLN fighting JLFW, they realised they failed. Hence I doubt the 5 could match JLFW.

And what's with this JLFW worship and anti ZWJ from flamer and lunar? There's a thread for that elsewhere.

It's fact that JLFW is powerful, but it's also fact that he is the biggest choker in the trilogy and was a complete fail as a villian. Compare him with the likes of JMZ, MRB and OYF, no lets take it further, Guo Fu did more damage to YG+XLN than JLFW ever did.

JLFW is the coolest bad guy in the trilogy, cooler than mui chiu feng!!! like what flamer said, if he isnt distracted, he would have never choked!!

[Ken Cheng]

JLFW is the coolest bad guy in the trilogy, cooler than mui chiu feng!!! like what flamer said, if he isnt distracted, he would have never choked!!

Man oh man, what I wouldn't give to see Wu Wudi show up now...

[LuNaR]

Man oh man, what I wouldn't give to see Wu Wudi show up now...

lol who is a cooler bad guy (i just want to hear even tho its subjective)

[yittz]

JLFW is the coolest bad guy in the trilogy, cooler than mui chiu feng!!! like what flamer said, if he isnt distracted, he would have never choked!!

How is he even cool? He's a monk for a start. He begs others to be his student. Even 3rd evil don't openly go that low. Compare with HYS, who is epitomy of cool, who's students beg to return to even after having their legs broken. He was betrayed by Huo Du and have to have YG to cleanse his sect for him. His other disciple believes YG is JLFW's dead disciple.

How was he distracted when he got injured against GJ? Can you imagine OYF not doing his research when he burst a move on a wulin meeting? How was he distracted when he lost to YG+XLN at the restaurant? Can you imagine HYS struggling with 2 QZ level fighters dancing in front of him with jade sword play? How was he distracted when he was pawned by HYS's formation with HR leading it? I mean how could you forget you hit a huge rock into the air, and not hear it soaring down above your head?

Fact is JLFW is FAIL.

[flamer]

GWM is destined to fail because he is an antagonist.

[jadebunny9]

My question is...why is it JLGS is always distracted? And why does it seem like he's the only one distracted?

I don't get this whole distracted thing. So you guys say that he was distracted in the final battle between YG because of falling, flaming pillars. Why was YG not distracted to that extent as well? Or everyone else, for that matter? Why only poor JLGS?

[PJ]

But it says 激斗中. We can't be sure when he realised this, all the while of 200 stances or after 200 stances. But also remember that GWM thought he would be disadvantaged after 100 stances AFTER this realisation (during or after 200 stances regardless), so he was indeed distracted when he made that judgement.

法王激斗中觉得高台微微摇晃，心知台脚为火焚毁，顷刻间便要倒塌

...He realized that the platform would tumble momentarily....

Seems to me he would do something about it rather quickly after he made this critical realization (that he would die if he didn't do something about it). So I would say that he realized this right before he took the action of attacking Guo Xiang, and after the 200 stances. It wouldn't really make sense for him to just think "oh, it's about to fall, but let me keep fighting for another 100 stances, just waiting for it to fall."

[Ken Cheng]

My question is...why is it JLGS is always distracted? And why does it seem like he's the only one distracted?

I don't get this whole distracted thing. So you guys say that he was distracted in the final battle between YG because of falling, flaming pillars. Why was YG not distracted to that extent as well? Or everyone else, for that matter? Why only poor JLGS?

1. His innate cowardice.

2. His mental weakness.

These were his personality flaws, unshared by the Greats.

[duguxiaojing]

Guo Fu did more damage to YG+XLN than JLFW ever did.

LMAO!!....thinking it through...that's a pretty dead on statment lol...

GLFW the epic fail of JY villans lol!

[flamer]

法王激斗中觉得高台微微摇晃，心知台脚为火焚毁，顷刻间便要倒塌

...He realized that the platform would tumble momentarily....

Seems to me he would do something about it rather quickly after he made this critical realization (that he would die if he didn't do something about it). So I would say that he realized this right before he took the action of attacking Guo Xiang, and after the 200 stances. It wouldn't really make sense for him to just think "oh, it's about to fall, but let me keep fighting for another 100 stances, just waiting for it to fall."

Thats an interpretation, but its still certain that GWM made the judgment of being disadvantaged after 100 stances AFTER making his realisation of burning pillars, regardless of it being during the battle or after 200 stances. ie, distracted state when he made that judgement.

[ChanceEncounter]

Guo Fu is the main villain of ROCH.

Fact.

[PJ]

Thats an interpretation, but its still certain that GWM made the judgment of being disadvantaged after 100 stances AFTER making his realisation of burning pillars, regardless of it being during the battle or after 200 stances. ie, distracted state when he made that judgement.

But that's already after they fought over 200 stances with Yang Guo not being put to a disadvantage at the slightest (what the author said verbatim). That doesn't mean Yang Guo wasn't in a disadvantaged situation; he was: GWM was using weapon while Yang Guo was not, and plus Yang Guo had to worry about getting Guo Xiang outta there, so if anything Yang Guo had more distractions. But although Yang Guo had more disadvantages going into the fight, he held his own during the fight, and turned the fight to his advantage.

This is as saintly as it gets, folks.

[Dennis Chen]

Guo Fu is the main villain of ROCH.

Fact.

The main villain of the work has a negative impact on most (or all) characters in a work. Just as the main hero has a negative impact on most (or all) characters in a work.

Guo Fu didn't even have interactions with many of the characters in the novel and she only had a negative impact on Yang Guo. Ergo, Guo Fu is not the main villain. She's a secondary villain. The main villain remains JLGS.

[PJ]

And for God's sake, in HSDS, Zhang Wuji--often hailed as GWM's alter ego in terms of bad fighting-- experienced several times more distractions when his former crush was about to kill his most loved person of all time, his godfather Xie Xun, right in front of his eyes! He nearly peed in his pants, and even spoke out in panic, a big "no no" during a contest of internal energy (he has a lot of IE, so he can manage it somewhat, but it's still a major distraction, esp when fighting against such a strong opponent force). It was said that immediately put him to a disadvantage, but he still managed not to get defeated instantly, which IMO is a major accomplishment for Zhang "Let's settle this peacefully" Wuji.

The way you're saying GWM can't handle distractions, flamer, if he were put in the terribly distracting situation as Zhang Wuji, he wouldn't have lasted a single stance against opponent. I think you're putting too much emphasis on this "distraction" thing. GWM had much higher distraction when fighting Zhou Botong and Yideng, and he still didn't do too shabbily.

[flamer]

But that's already after they fought over 200 stances with Yang Guo not being put to a disadvantage at the slightest (what the author said verbatim). That doesn't mean Yang Guo wasn't in a disadvantaged situation; he was: GWM was using weapon while Yang Guo was not, and plus Yang Guo had to worry about getting Guo Xiang outta there, so if anything Yang Guo had more distractions. But although Yang Guo had more disadvantages going into the fight, he held his own during the fight, and turned the fight to his advantage.

This is as saintly as it gets, folks.

What is this weapons business, it also means that GWM couldn't use Elephant Dragon Prana, just like YG wouldn't be able to use Sad Palms if he used HIS. Its very hard to be sure what one is missing out on. Its not easy to get a Great to be in a disadvantage, hence not much surprise YG could at least draw for 200 stances. YG has much better concentration powers than GWM and we haven't seen a time he was distracted or pissing himself, and whats more, theres no description of him being distracted.

[flamer]

The way you're saying GWM can't handle distractions, flamer, if he were put in the terribly distracting situation as Zhang Wuji, he wouldn't have lasted a single stance against opponent. I think you're putting too much emphasis on this "distraction" thing. GWM had much higher distraction when fighting Zhou Botong and Yideng, and he still didn't do too shabbily.

0_0 what was distracting him against ZBT, YD during the 1v1? It was until they ganged up on him that GWM panicked.

[ChronoReverse]

What is this weapons business, it also means that GWM couldn't use Elephant Dragon Prana, just like YG wouldn't be able to use Sad Palms if he used HIS. Its very hard to be sure what one is missing out on. Its not easy to get a Great to be in a disadvantage, hence not much surprise YG could at least draw for 200 stances. YG has much better concentration powers than GWM and we haven't seen a time he was distracted or pissing himself, and whats more, theres no description of him being distracted.

EDP is an internal art not a palm technique. So whether he's using a weapon or not has no bearing on this.


As for the vs YD and ZBT part, his mind was distraught over the loss of GX

[flamer]

EDP is an internal art not a palm technique. So whether he's using a weapon or not has no bearing on this.


As for the vs YD and ZBT part, his mind was distraught over the loss of GX

0_0 I think its a palm technique with internal cultivation.

EDIT: Passage 只可惜那‘龙象般若掌’至老僧而绝，从此世上更无传人。”提起右掌，便往自
己天灵盖上拍了下去。


Distraught over Guo Xiang but there unlike his fight with YG, he was quite excited to fight with ZBT. Its also quite a difference of fearing for his life. AND his distraction probably will cause him to lose against YD/ZBT.