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    Default Deun Yu - extraordinary talent for learning martial arts

    All of the Jin Yong protagonists proved to be extraordinary martial arts learners, but was Deun Yu the one learner who surpassed all others? Starting from a background of NO martial arts at the age of twenty, he was able to learn Bak Ming Sun Gung and Ling Bor Mei Bo very quickly and with no guidance. He also understood the concept of 6 Mak Divine Swords after a casual glance.

    I don't think we see any other Jin Yong character pick up and grasp advanced new martial arts concepts (especially starting with no previous background) that quickly.

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    The reason he was able to learn LBWB was because it's changes and transformations were rooted in the I-Ching and in the Eight Triagrams, which he spent a lot of time studying. His mastery of BMSG however was extremely incomplete (he learned only one of the many ways which one could drain energy), and as for 6MSJ, the hardest part about it was the huge amount of internal energy that was needed, but which Duan Yu already had; he was unable to learn any of the complicated changes and techniques which the strokes possessed.

    So for the first, it was primarily his religious/academic learning; the second, he learned imperfectly and it was an internal energy skill, and the third he ignored the actual martial arts concepts once again for an imperfect understanding of a heavily internal energy based skill.
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    Yeah, I'd say he was extremely talented. Along with BRAIN GOD Hu Fei and SURPRISING POSITION Linghu Chong.
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ View Post
    .... Along with BRAIN GOD Hu Fei ....
    How about INFINITE THOUGHT Xiao Feng? After that revelation, BRAIN GOD's hundreds of thousands of thoughts per blink seems paltry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren Wo Xing View Post
    The third he ignored the actual martial arts concepts once again for an imperfect understanding of a heavily internal energy based skill.
    In effect, then was Deun Yu's "6 Mak Divine Swords" not really 6 Mak Divine Swords at all, but just a very-amped up 1 Yeung Finger Technique?

    After all, without the sword technique, isn't 6 Mak Divine Swords basically just 1 Yeung Finger Technique?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CC View Post
    How about INFINTITE THOUGHT Xiao Feng? After that revelation, BRAIN GOD's hundreds of thousands of thoughts per blink seems paltry.
    Though outthought, BRAIN GOD will always have a special place for being a trend-enabler.
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    I'd say Wang Yuyan was the best at "learning" martial arts.

    Learning and applying, however, are completely different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChanceEncounter View Post
    I'd say Wang Yuyan was the best at "learning" martial arts.

    Learning and applying, however, are completely different things.
    i wouldn't say that she couldn't have applied it if she had wanted to. It's just that she never tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren Ying Ying View Post
    i wouldn't say that she couldn't have applied it if she had wanted to. It's just that she never tried.
    Wong Yu Yin didn't strike me as being much of a physical specimen, though. She gave me the impression of being too delicate to withstand the rigors of martial arts training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    Wong Yu Yin didn't strike me as being much of a physical specimen, though. She gave me the impression of being too delicate to withstand the rigors of martial arts training.
    duan yu was also quite the "pansy" boy

    plus, being delicate could be a result of her "non-training". if she had practiced martial arts, perhaps she would no longer appear quite so "delicate"? I mean, neither XLN nor HR (or 99% of female leads) were ever described as appearing physically strong.
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    If only circumstances were otherwise, and DY really paid attention into learning his martial arts- i really think that he will be unsurpassed by others, and that is including sweeper monk.
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    I think they're probably at the same level as or one level below Ah Qing, which is about the level of a 2nd or 3rd generation Quan Zhen disciple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    Wong Yu Yin didn't strike me as being much of a physical specimen, though. She gave me the impression of being too delicate to withstand the rigors of martial arts training.
    I agree with Kenny. WYY appeared as a brainy but the homey and non-physical type.

    DY.....be it a pansy, Mommy's boy, he can outwit his opponent and be cheeky as a monkey too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren Ying Ying View Post
    I mean, neither XLN nor HR (or 99% of female leads) were ever described as appearing physically strong.
    Yeah, don't think XLN or HR would have any muscular biceps or triceps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Han Solo View Post
    If only circumstances were otherwise, and DY really paid attention into learning his martial arts- i really think that he will be unsurpassed by others, and that is including sweeper monk.
    And he has lots of good luck to spare too. In a way, luck plays such a big role in his progress, which is pretty shocking.
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    He had a lot of bad luck too.

    The BMXG scroll was torn during his imprisonment by the 4 Evils - if not, he could potentially master this skill properly and then continuously use the skill to increase his internal energy.

    6MSJ was learnt in haste without adequate understanding- thus causing his oft malfunctioned episodes.

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    I think they're probably at the same level as or one level below Ah Qing, which is about the level of a 2nd or 3rd generation Quan Zhen disciple.
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