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    Quote Originally Posted by person135 View Post
    I don't know where you get these exact numbers from. You come up with these exact numbers for the values of their inner energy that don't make that much sense at all. Plus, that is what ZWJ THOUGHT. Obviously the emissaries' power is much higher if they were able to stalemate XX with the dragon sabre and Zhao Ming with the heaven sword.

    As for kyss's theory, Shaolin's kung fu isn't all yang. Yi Jing Jing is more yin than yang, and forms a big part of shaolin inner energy.

    I agree with muidi CFT and flamer.

    If indeed 9yang was weak against 9yin, how come ZWJ can beat Zhou Zhi Ruo's much more powerful and concentrated yin energy (compared to the emissaries)? ZWJ would not be able to beat her if his yang did not protect him against her fierce yin attacks.

    Jin Hua Popo learned most of her kung fu from Ming Cult, and so it wouldn't be a surprise if the emissaries knew how to counter her kung fu.
    actually, yi yin ji is not more yin than yang, it is a pure and extremely high level internal energy cultivation techniques that uses all the channels and meridians in the body. it allows you complete control over every accupoints in the body and the ability to use your energy freely as you will. ZWJ had to master QKDNY in order to freely move 9yang shengong energy in his body. with yiyinji, a second technique is not necessary,yinjinji alone is enough.(check out SPW).
    because shaolin kungfu combines both internal strength and external strength, their inner strength has the hard/yang nature. it's in the HSDS text when ZCS fought against the shaolin monks at the escort house. however shaolin's 72 divine skills consist of 36 external skills and 36 internal skills, and several of the top internal skills have yin nature(refer DGSD).

    the three Persian emissaries were comparable to daiqis/purple dragon/granny goldflower. ZWJ was surprised they could subdue her in one move because he noticed their level was not above her and she should not have been defeated so easily. it drew his attention to the strange formation they were using, which was some what similar to QKDNY but also wasn't. the bone penetrating powder skill the used was a highly refined yin chi that was as soft as dust, and entered into the opponents body with out any resistant from the opponent's chi. then it would gather into one point and become as a needle and seal that accuipoint.

    ZZR had some advantage over MCF because she had the inner power portion but MCF had practiced peach blossom island skills for a while and had used it's internal with poison to advance her skills, even through it was a harmful way. she had also increased her external strength so she was already above anyone of the QZ seven, and she gained some of the daoist formula and made aditional gains in her inner power aafter the fight at the jin palace. however ZZR had not practiced her skill long enough, so her 9yin zhenqi was not abundant or refined and thus was damaged by ZWJ's 9yang zhenqi which was more abundant and refined. her inner strength was quite a distance below the wudang hero's through she had the strange moves in 9yin to help her gain victory. through clearly speaking, the 9yin snake whip technique was not superior to taichi jianfa and taijiquan could defeat 9shades white bone claws. it was just the wudang hero's were confused by the strangeness of her moves and did not realize her weakness in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by person135 View Post
    lol your crazy associations.
    The estimation is roughly correct. In addition to what he stated, there's also the proven fact that Zhang Wuji possesses stronger internal energy than both Xuanming elders combined, but in turn, in chapter 24/25, it was shown that the Xuanming elders won a palm clash against Wei Yixiao and Yang Xiao while using only 20% of their internal energy.

    The only possible conclusion, then, is that Zhang Wuji, at a minimum, has at least 8x the amount of internal energy of Yang Xiao-calibre fighters, who in turn, as stated by the novel, are actually significantly stronger in 'real' martial arts compared to the Persian emissaries.

    If anything, I think PJ may have been too generous; I believe ZWJ to be unquestionably stronger than the 3 Du monks; it is their unique formation as well as the fact that they had been training in perfect harmony for years which made them so deadly. If you took 3 Du-level fighters who didn't have the advantage of a formation honed over decades and set them against Zhang Wuji, I have no doubt at all that Zhang Wuji would have defeated them on his very first attempt.
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    the xuan ming elders did not win against wei yixiao and yang xiao with 20% of their energy, their energy was not affected by ZWJ's 9yang zhenqi, the toxic nature of their xuan ming palm was reduced by 80%. their inner power was the same. the author showed the power of the cold toxin and ZWJ's 9yang shengong because he was able to dispel the 100% cold toxin in a few hours while YG and WY who received only 20%strength cold toxin only managed to dispel half the toxin in the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyss of the sword View Post
    the xuan ming elders did not win against wei yixiao and yang xiao with 20% of their energy, their energy was not affected by ZWJ's 9yang zhenqi, the toxic nature of their xuan ming palm was reduced by 80%. their inner power was the same. the author showed the power of the cold toxin and ZWJ's 9yang shengong because he was able to dispel the 100% cold toxin in a few hours while YG and WY who received only 20%strength cold toxin only managed to dispel half the toxin in the same time.
    This is playing word games; the power of the Xuanming Palms is dependent on their icy cold internal energy, the same as Wei Yixiao, the same with Zuo Lengchan. When Zuo Lengchan emptied his cold, poisonous Hanbing Zhenqi energies into Ren Woxing, he was totally exhausted; it wasn't as though he had just 'poured in' the cold poison, he poured in the 'cold, poisonous energy'.

    Likewise, for the 'icy cold power of their palms' to be reduced by 80% is no different from having their internal energy reduced by 80%, for the purposes of that palm clash.
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    ZLC does not practice the same skill as the xuan ming elders. when ZLC used his icy cold neigong, RWX was also using XXDF to absorb his energy, the reason ZLC lost so much energy could be due to that. or it's possible that ZLC's inner power consisted completely of the chill neigong.

    but the xuan ming elders could use inner strength with using the xuan ming palm. when ZWJ was kidnapped by the xuan ming elder, wudang hero Yu exchanged a palm strike with him. because the xuan ming toxin might rebound if faced with a stronger foe, and wary of wudang's reputation for devolping strong inner power, he used his inner strength without the xuan ming cold poison. so even through hero Yu was injured, he did not get poisoned by the xuan ming palm. this shows the inner strength and cold toxin are separate and combined at the users will.
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    If the Xuan Ming elders won with roughly 20%, and Yang Xiao and Yin Tianzheng roughly tied with the Du Monk in the inner strength clash, then this makes the Xuan Ming elders 2x as strong as the Du monks inner strength wise. This seems a bit hard to believe.

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    ZWJ is a crappy fighter

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    Quote Originally Posted by tape View Post
    If the Xuan Ming elders won with roughly 20%, and Yang Xiao and Yin Tianzheng roughly tied with the Du Monk in the inner strength clash, then this makes the Xuan Ming elders 2x as strong as the Du monks inner strength wise. This seems a bit hard to believe.
    YX/YZT never directly competed in internal energy with the Du monk.
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    They pulled and pushed the rope with pure strength, it might as well have been an inner strength competition. They were definitely weaker than Du'nan but he couldn't have been much more than 10-20% stronger than them either since he couldn't win easily either.

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    the whole demon subduing formation was laced with the monks inner strength, whether you try to match strength or skills, if your inner strength is lacking, you will thrown out of the formation or die, e.g. ZZR could not use her skills inside because of her weak internal strength and wei yixiao received a shock from just handing over a letter. the xuan ming elders were equal to the weakest du elder, who is about 25% of ZWJ, so the two xuan ming elders should be about 50% of ZWJ's inner power. yang xiao and yin tiezhang together were roughly equal to the weakest du elder monk, wei yixiao was close to the same level but with slightly weaker inner strength. so it's safe to assume that each Xuan ming elder had about twice the inner strength of one of the two guardian/four kings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyss of the sword View Post
    QKDNY is an amazing skill but it's full power could only be shown because of 9yang shengong. even the creator did not master the seventh level because the ming cult/QKDNY style of inner power was not sufficiently advanced enough. ZWJ did not shift his accupoints but used QKDNY to move his qi to the accupoints when SQS tried to seal them. YX was able to hold his own against green bat and four of the five wanders. QKDNY had it's limitation where you can only redirect inner force equal to your own, you can't redirect inner power superior to you. that is why YX could not redirect the xuan ming elders force.
    I vaguely recall reading in the novel somewhere that the QKDNY can redirect force equal to the userís own force, but Iím having trouble finding this reference. Do you know where I can find it? TIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyphung View Post
    I vaguely recall reading in the novel somewhere that the QKDNY can redirect force equal to the userís own force, but Iím having trouble finding this reference. Do you know where I can find it? TIA
    Nope I read HSDS more than 50 times and I hardly find the part which Wuji redirect his enemy's force which as strong as him or someone which near his level..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    Nope I read HSDS more than 50 times and I hardly find the part which Wuji redirect his enemy's force which as strong as him or someone which near his level..
    Actually I also wonder why in HSDS there is no enemy characters with strong power, near or above ZWJ . 3Du s can't be counted as enemies. Only Cheng Kun which is already beaten so easily in Bright Peak.

    In LOCH at least there is west venom and in ROCH there is GWM.

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    Right, the lack of a Great-level villain in HSDS is a pity for me as well as I really like the novel otherwise. Even the next 5 fighters closest to ZWJ's level were all "good guys" (ZSF, Lady Yang, the 3 Du monks). Would love to have a super strong villain bring out the nasty streaks in ZWJ. It was very satisfying when he went batshit insane against Ah San and Ah Er. Dude flattened Ah Er in one move.

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