YiDeng's Yi Yang Zhi vs 6MSJ?

[person135]

well with strong internal energy you can withstand certain attacks. could be life saving

[kyss of the sword]

Man I usually don't get involved in these, but this is too rich.

I'm definitely going full-out Devil's Advocate here (I don't think GJ would last 10 stances against XF, not really), so while I agree with PJ and RWX, I do think it's more fun to take the opposite side. So here we go.

#0. It is stupid to compare high tier YYZ vs low tier 6MSJ, BECAUSE THE ENERGY REQS for 6MSJ are extreme. By default, anyone who can use 6MSJ is pretty badass. It's like talking about a 'low level' QKDNY user. Doesn't exist.
#1. Who in the universe can 'actually' do 6MSJ? JUST DY. So when we are comparing YiDeng's YYZ vs 6MSJ, it's JUST Yideng vs DY. No, the Dragon monks do NOT know 6MSJ. They know the principle, but can't execute the SWORDPLAY which is the linchpin.
#2. DY has shown pretty large variance in his fail. Massive fail.
#3. Even AFTER learning 6MSJ, he can be incapacitated in a single stance (depending on how much fail there is)
#4. For instance, he could evade MRF indefinitely, until he tried to attack, and was subdued in a single stance.
#5. He has no close-range skillset and his sword qi is single directional
#6. It stands to reason, that YD and his 'motionless teleport' skill (think Dhalism in SF) can probably 'telefrag' DY before the latter can exert 6MSJ.
#7. So the key to Yi Deng winning is really to abuse the matchup, and come up with the proper strategy. In other words, proper strategy is not to get into an shootout with mr. ~2x XF's internal energy (by end of series) + 100% evade + unstoppable swords of chi since there's a good chance YD's YYZ won't even affect DY (DY possibly had more internal energy than BASE XZ, although lower than ultimate XZ).
#8. How fight goes: DY doesn't start in berserk mode so he can't really execute his sword moves properly, and YD starts in sitting mode. YD then teleports to DY, and grabs his wrists from behind, taps acupoints, seals, and teleports away before he gets sucked dry. DY crumples to the ground, crying about WYY. GG

In other words, telefrag the girly boy, and win the duel. YYZ still sucks as a skillset though.

I hate to be contrary, but no way is YYZ a 'top tier' skill in ANY 'verse.

The two dimwits learned in ROCH; name another 'top tier' skill that scrubs learn? I don't think the skill itself is all that profound OR potent. As is stated repeatedly throughout Jin Yong's Works; YYZ is 'essentially' the same as similar finger based techniques that other schools have. 6MSJ is a COMPLETELY screwy imba moveset. To compare YYZ and 6MSJ is like to compare 'The Divine Art of Violet Twilight' to the Tendon Altering Sutra. 1 is the 'pinnacle' of a particular region/school (a relative maximum). The other is THE pinnacle (the absolute maximum).

The monks had some 'grasp' of 6MSJ, but they were by no means proficient at the skill, or could even be called 6MSJ users. Indeed, JMZ was less than impressed by their abilities, and was in AWE of DY's scrubbyass demonstration. It's like saying the numerous (dozens) of Beggar clan nobodies who knew 1-2 moves from the XL18Z were proficient in the 18 dragon palms. It's a ludicrous concept. Knowing 1 sword doesn't mean you 'actually' know 6MSJ.

one important thing has been forgotten, 6MDS is actually the energy of yiyangzhi transformed into sword chi. DY did not learn yiyangzhi but his uncle taught him duan family's internal strength cultivation which is yiyangzhi's internal. DY only lacked the moves, martial theory and experience.

YYZ doesn'y suck, if it did, then HYS's TZTSG, OYF's toad stance and HQG's HL18Z would also suck. yiyangzhi is the world's top accuipoint sealing skill, a lst level skill. the other accuipoint sealing skills from all the other schools are third level techniques that couldn't come close. comparing it to other schools is like saying HL18Z is the same as songshan sect's great songyang palm. there is no comparison.

the monks of 4D temple had mastered one of each of 6MDS. they were a bit stiff in their execution because they had just learnt it, except for elder kurong, but you can't say they just knew the theory. it was very rare for anyone to have enough inner power to master all six swords.the begger clan member's who had learned only one or two stances of HL18Z could not be considered to have mastered HL18Z but to have learnt some of it. but the elder beggers from HSDS who mastered up to 12 stances could be considered masters. even through they couldn't release the full power of the remaining moves in battle, it's likely they have learnt the full skill and theory and could pass it on. the monks of 4D temple should be regarded as the same.

the swords were not one direction. i think you got that idea from the adaptions laser version. the real 6MDS forms a chi sword that can cover a wide range. each of the 6MDS has it's own unique nature, different in power, speed, range,area wight and distance.

DY was initially inexperienced in battle and his martial knowledge was lacking. but by the end of the novel, he had received the full tutelage of his uncle before ascending the throne. he showed the capability of a great in the end alongside XuZhu.

[Ren Wo Xing]

Quick note; DY did NOT possess YYZ internal; he possessed BMZQ internal. All Duan Zhengming taught him was the way to dissipate the energy roiling around in his meridians and settle it down back into his organs. This did not magically transform the BMZQ energy into YYZ energy.

[HuntingX]

I'm pretty sure 6MSJ was done using sweeping motions. I find it hard to believe DY was shooting parabolas from his fingertips. The 'theory' behind it makes the most sense when we believe that the 6 fingers are in fact 6 swords, which are by definition straight line objects.

[CFT]

I'm pretty sure Kurong managed to curve his energy streams or was that Jiumozhi?

[HuntingX]

The distinction is important here though. Did Kurong curve his 6MSJ? I can believe curved energy streams. I can't really imagine curved nerve swords though.

[kyss of the sword]

Quick note; DY did NOT possess YYZ internal; he possessed BMZQ internal. All Duan Zhengming taught him was the way to dissipate the energy roiling around in his meridians and settle it down back into his organs. This did not magically transform the BMZQ energy into YYZ energy.

i reread, and it did not say he learnt the duan family internal cultivation exactly, but it did say the techniques DY was Duan family martial arts techniques, and when he fought at shaolin temple, he remembered the teachings of his uncle and elder kurong on inner strength techniques, since 6MDS is based on yiyangzhi energy, what he learned should be connected to yiyanzhi. but what you said however is basically correct. it would not transform BMZQ into yiyangzhi but then DY never properly cultivated BMZQ. he practiced the method for a short time before absorbing a lot of inner strength. but those energy's nature were still of their original source. he had not transformed those qi into BMZQ. he also used LBWW a lot which was also an internal energy cultivation technique. DY used BMSG technique but he might not have had BMZQ energy. only XuZhu actually had BMZQ which he received from WYZ.

Not waiting for Emperor Baoding to finish speaking, Duan Yu immediately began to follow his instructions step by step. The martial arts techniques of Dali’s Duan family were incomparably marvelous. He followed the instructions precisely, and the wildly rushing internal energy in his body began to disperse, settling down into his internal organs. According to traditional Chinese medicine, a person’s organs were divided into the “Five Internal Organs and the Six Hollow Organs.” “Internal Organs” referred to ‘storage’, and “Hollow Organs” referred to ‘home’. The original term had the secondary meaning of storing and accumulating energy. Duan Yu first drained all of the internal energy of seven disciples of Mt. Wuliang’s Sword sect, then absorbed some of the energy of masters such as Duan Yanqing, the Yellow Browed Monk, Ye Erniang, the Divine Crocodile, Yun Zhonghe, Zhong Wanchou, and Cui Baiquan. This day, he gained a small portion of the internal energy of Emperor Baoding, Benguan, Benxiang, Benyin, and Bencan, five master martial artists of the Duan family. His internal energy was now incomparably deep and profound; the phrase, ‘Shocking the ancients and overawing contemporaries’ could be used to describe it. He had no equal in the entire world. Now, under his uncle’s instructions, he began to store away this powerful internal energy within his organs, and his entire body began to feel more and more comfortable. His entire body felt light and carefree, as though he was about to fly away into the sky.

Duan Yu had survived over a hundred strokes in the fight and his fear gradually subsided, remembering the teachings of his Uncle and Elder Ku Rong on inner strength techniques he executed the Liu Mai Shen Jian with harmonious and well connected circular strokes. Suddenly he heard the voice of Xiao Feng : "Third Brother, you are still not experienced with the Liu Mai Shen Jian, the six stances are different and there is a gap when you change between the six, allowing time for your opponent to attack. You should try concentrating on only 1 stance."