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    Default YiDeng's Yi Yang Zhi vs 6MSJ?

    6MSJ is a better skill than Yi Yang Zhi, but Yi Deng's Yi Yang Zhi was much more powerful than the normal Yi Yang Zhi user.

    How does Yi Deng's Yi Yang Zhi stack up against 6MSJ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by person135 View Post
    6MSJ is a better skill than Yi Yang Zhi, but Yi Deng's Yi Yang Zhi was much more powerful than the normal Yi Yang Zhi user.

    How does Yi Deng's Yi Yang Zhi stack up against 6MSJ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guo Xiang View Post
    Still a suicide.
    Only if you go head on...obviously finger is weaker than imaginary blade.

    But it could also depend on supplementary skills of the user (ie qing gong for ability to move & dodge).

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    Both of them would perish under the spell of TOMB RAIDER Lin Chaoying's strong finger, which was said to have reached the level of divinity.
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    It would depend on how long 6MSJ's blade was; it'd have to be longer than Yi Deng could shoot chi out of his fingers.

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    If the opponent has the internal to even start learning 6MSJ, that should be no lower (most likely significantly higher) than Yideng. Hence will still pwn YD.

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    If internal was everything, Linghu Chong would never have won a fight.

    Yi Deng might have to use a long weapon, like a spear to use his Yi Yang Zhi. But he could win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Chen View Post
    If internal was everything, Linghu Chong would never have won a fight.

    Yi Deng might have to use a long weapon, like a spear to use his Yi Yang Zhi. But he could win.
    Totally inconsistent with novel descriptions of YYZ and 6MSJ. Both of which are internal energy driven techniques. YYZ without internal backing can be unblocked by someone with superior internal energy.

    6MSJ will just cut the spear to pieces just like MYF's sabre.

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    When it comes to internal intensive skills like YYZ and 6MSJ, internal strength is more or less everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFT View Post
    Totally inconsistent with novel descriptions of YYZ and 6MSJ. Both of which are internal energy driven techniques. YYZ without internal backing can be unblocked by someone with superior internal energy.

    6MSJ will just cut the spear to pieces just like MYF's sabre.
    So, a master of Yi Yang Zhi can't use his/her Yi Yang Zhi through a spear?

    Can Yi Deng use the spear for Yi Yang Zhi with Xian Tian Gong?

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    Disagree with CFT, agree with Dennis in this case. Duan Yanqing was able to strengthen his canes with YYZ energy to block DZM's YYZ attacks. I see no reason why that wouldn't also be the case for Yideng vs 6MSJ, assuming (unlikely) his internal energy was roughly equal to the 6MSJ user.
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    The limit of 6MSJ is supposed to be 1 zhang, or 10 feet, but Yideng and JLFW were exchanging palm and finger blasts from around 4 metres apart, so if these measurements are correct, Yideng might be able to outrange 6MSJ.

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    I don't see how in an even-internal match between a 6MSJ user and YYZ user, a YYZ user can win. Of course assuming no flukes, tricks etc.

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    How does channeling YYZ through a weapon make it on a par with 6MSJ?

    If internal energy is comparable then 6MSJ should still trump YYZ. 6MSJ has more "killing power" and is more versatile. There is a reason why YYZ forms the foundation of 6MSJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pannonian View Post
    The limit of 6MSJ is supposed to be 1 zhang, or 10 feet, but Yideng and JLFW were exchanging palm and finger blasts from around 4 metres apart, so if these measurements are correct, Yideng might be able to outrange 6MSJ.
    They were exchanging attacks within 10 feet.

    As a fun fact about attacking range, Wudang Hero #3 Zhang Songxi and Yin Tianzheng were capable of projecting attacks to 20+ feet away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamer View Post
    I don't see how in an even-internal match between a 6MSJ user and YYZ user, a YYZ user can win. Of course assuming no flukes, tricks etc.
    It's not necessarily an even internal contest though. It's specifically Yideng's YYZ against a 6MSJ user. Would one of the Heavenly Dragon Monastery monks, using 6MSJ, win against Yideng's YYZ?

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    Well you don't necessarily need that much internal energy to use 6MSJ.

    Duan Yu's dad's brother did not have that high internal energy, and yet he was able to learn one part of 6MSJ. The monks who used 6MSJ did not have that much internal energy either (their internal energy were no where near QF or Xu Zhu's).

    Yi Deng's YYZ isn't just a normal YYZ. His YYZ is very powerful. How else would he be able to go up against HYS, OYF, HQG, and WCY with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pannonian View Post
    It's not necessarily an even internal contest though. It's specifically Yideng's YYZ against a 6MSJ user. Would one of the Heavenly Dragon Monastery monks, using 6MSJ, win against Yideng's YYZ?
    I would assume the 6MSJ in question here is the FULL 6MSJ not the 6MSJ-formation used by Celestial Dragon Temple. Which is hardly the 6MSJ swordplay, as confirmed by JMZ.

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    The biggest problem with this comparison is that we are using the specific scale of Yi Deng's 1 Yang Finger as compared to the arbitrary idea of 6MSJ. As does the level of 1 Yang Finger varies between individuals, the level of 6MSJ probably does, too. At the SAME level of mastery & talent, then perhaps 6MSJ user may have an edge over Yideng--given that the 6MSJ user has reached the "PoP (see PJ)" in 6MSJ.

    However, that is not to say that any old 6MSJ user will triumph over Yideng. Unfortunately, we don't have a large enough sample size. 1 person is hardly enough to determine 6MSJ's true strength and abilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren Ying Ying View Post
    However, that is not to say that any old 6MSJ user will triumph over Yideng. Unfortunately, we don't have a large enough sample size. 1 person is hardly enough to determine 6MSJ's true strength and abilities.
    What we do know is that DY was a pretty bad user of 6MSJ, the real deal.

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