Are Asians smart or do we just study harder?

[remember_Cedric]

Autistic people are actually intelligent and talented individuals.

That's true! I know so, from the kids I tend to as a volunter in Very Special Arts School.

[Banh Mi]

Autistic people are actually intelligent and talented individuals.

Autistic Savants may have peculiar talent like eidetic memory, or instant arithmatics, or musical talent. But they were born with communication problems which inhibit their learning potential. As such, autistic children have much lower IQ than a normal child, they learn much slower. Intervention programs go to extremes so that an autistic child will learn much more than normal children, and let them catch up to normal children.

But even then, they won't fully catch up. They'll still lag behind, just not as badly. Depending on the severity of autism, an IQ of about 50-70 is about right.

[QF]

I think asian are smarter....

We have to be smarter...you know...to make up for our lack of *ahem* girth *ahem*



QF

[pemberly]

Autistic Savants may have peculiar talent like eidetic memory, or instant arithmatics, or musical talent. But they were born with communication problems which inhibit their learning potential. As such, autistic children have much lower IQ than a normal child, they learn much slower. Intervention programs go to extremes so that an autistic child will learn much more than normal children, and let them catch up to normal children.

But even then, they won't fully catch up. They'll still lag behind, just not as badly. Depending on the severity of autism, an IQ of about 50-70 is about right.

I think that's unfair bc you can not properly measure an autistic person's iq through a test.

Many of the studies that are cited in articles confirming a high rate of mental retardation among the autistic population were conducted prior to 1980. The problem with these studies is that numerous times a patient was classified as having an IQ that falls within the mentally retarded range if they were not able to be tested with a conventional IQ test.

Nonverbal individuals on the autism spectrum could obviously not participate in a test requiring verbal responses. Instead of looking for alternative ways to measure the intelligence level of these individuals, the researchers simply wrote them off as having mental retardation. Over time many IQ tests have been created, and standardized, that require absolutely no verbal response on the part of the patient. The introduction of these tests has already started to skew the autism/MR ratio.

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[Banh Mi]

I think that's unfair bc you can not properly measure an autistic person's iq through a test.



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It still stands that their development is delayed due to communication impairment. While a regular 5 year old learns the alphabet and numbers, an autistic child, again depending on severity of autism, is learning to talk, learning association.

I'm not putting autistics down that is the nature of their disability if you will. If you say it's unfair, damn right it's unfair, cause they're autistic, they learn at their own pace.

And like I said, the original question comes down to what you define intelligence is exactly, and whether IQ is a good measure of it. I for one, think IQ is a load of horse crap.

[Yeung Gor]

At a glance, this study must be horseshit. According to the color-code, the entire continent of Australia is, on average, midly mentally retarded with an average IQ of 60.

Haha... let me explain the Australia result. The ave doesn't include the entire Australia population, it represents only the native Australian aborigines. So all the Asians and European who lives in Australia does not count toward that figure. Since the data collected was base on race, that is the distribution entirely on your ethnic origin.

So if you are a Chinese living in Australia who took an Official IQ test, your score will be tally together with the rest of China.

I do agree that Australia stat is unbelievably low.

[Guo Xiang]

Autistic Savants may have peculiar talent like eidetic memory, or instant arithmatics, or musical talent. But they were born with communication problems which inhibit their learning potential. As such, autistic children have much lower IQ than a normal child, they learn much slower. Intervention programs go to extremes so that an autistic child will learn much more than normal children, and let them catch up to normal children.

But even then, they won't fully catch up. They'll still lag behind, just not as badly. Depending on the severity of autism, an IQ of about 50-70 is about right.

My best friend is autistic (not so severe any more but the signs of it are still around) and she's a university graduate. I'm sure she's not the only one.

And if you think IQ is a load of horse crap, you wouldn't have included that IQ line in the first place.

[remember_Cedric]

Autistic Savants may have peculiar talent like eidetic memory, or instant arithmatics, or musical talent. But they were born with communication problems which inhibit their learning potential. As such, autistic children have much lower IQ than a normal child, they learn much slower. Intervention programs go to extremes so that an autistic child will learn much more than normal children, and let them catch up to normal children.

But even then, they won't fully catch up. They'll still lag behind, just not as badly. Depending on the severity of autism, an IQ of about 50-70 is about right.

Hmmm, where did your assessment on autistic kids come from? I'm not saying your assessment is totally incorrect though I may suggest, should chances comeby, be a volunteer for the autistic kids and do a re-assessment is necessary.

From my knowledge, kids with autism are better known as the social impaired. Their "misability" comes one way or the other - not necessarily as the standardised in your assessment (supposedly it is called). During my volunteery, there's this kid who is under my care, he appear, play around or communicates just like a normal kid. Which, it makes me wonder WHY is he there? I came to realise when........ :

Me: Owen (5 year old), here is a piece of blank paper and some colouring materials. (He WANTS to know every single thing on his desk - it's a MUST) What do you want to draw?

Owen: I want to draw the Solar system! (and he goes on naming the planets, the characteristics of each planet and how many planets in the solar system.)

{he began drawing.....not the best drawing but it made sense (a reality artwork of the solar system nearly completing....) and for what he did, I don't think normal kids of his age could do better. And, he used the respective colours for the planet as it should be. What he did, for his age, amazed me. It was only when a tiny drip of blue acrylique paint appeared on his planet Mars...... he immediately destroy the whole piece of artwork and displayed a moment of agitation. -_-!!}

Owen: I want a new piece of blank paper, white paper!!

Me: Why did you destroy your artwork, Owen?

Owen: The blue paint is NOT SUPPOSED to be in Planet Mars!! Blue is FOR MERCURY

Well..... what do you think?

Another case was simply..... the kid is restless and wants to try out different things but he doesn't focus on working on an item for more than ..... 4 mins. And, he get agitated easily. He swing his arm and hit me everynow and then when (it's not my fault) he doesn't get what he wants right. Then, that everynow and then when he hit me, he is sorry but then he hit me again (and gets sorry again ). -_-!

[Candide]

Back on topic: "Are Asians smart or do we just study harder?"

Plenty of Asians (as well as non-Asians) are highly educated and loaded with degrees but still dumb arses. If you ever work in an environment full of them, you'll find out one of life maxims: highly educated people do the dumbest things.

[remember_Cedric]

Back on topic: "Are Asians smart or do we just study harder?"

Plenty of Asians (as well as non-Asians) are highly educated and loaded with degrees but still dumb arses. If you ever work in an environment full of them, you'll find out one of life maxims: highly educated people do the dumbest things.

Needless of surveys or statistics; reality had proven this right!

[milKBoi]

I know that i was forced to go to those cram schools (after schools or weekends) and i remember i had no say.. yep definately wasted huge $$$ tuition on me.
Aish, thats cos i'm not too intelligent..

I think i might have A.D.D (attention deficit disorder)?

[Banh Mi]

My best friend is autistic (not so severe any more but the signs of it are still around) and she's a university graduate. I'm sure she's not the only one.

And if you think IQ is a load of horse crap, you wouldn't have included that IQ line in the first place.

Autism is a spectrum disorder, she might be on the higher functioning range, she might not, and having a uni degree isn't an indicator of either intelligence or IQ. And with correct intervention alot of autistic people become self reliant by adulthood.

I think IQ is a crap measure of intelligence, but it still consistently measures your spacial, arithmetic and other skills. And I said it as a joke.

Hmmm, where did your assessment on autistic kids come from? I'm not saying your assessment is totally incorrect though I may suggest, should chances comeby, be a volunteer for the autistic kids and do a re-assessment is necessary.

From my knowledge, kids with autism are better known as the social impaired. Their "misability" comes one way or the other - not necessarily as the standardised in your assessment (supposedly it is called). During my volunteery, there's this kid who is under my care, he appear, play around or communicates just like a normal kid. Which, it makes me wonder WHY is he there? I came to realise when........ :


Well..... what do you think?

Another case was simply..... the kid is restless and wants to try out different things but he doesn't focus on working on an item for more than ..... 4 mins. And, he get agitated easily. He swing his arm and hit me everynow and then when (it's not my fault) he doesn't get what he wants right. Then, that everynow and then when he hit me, he is sorry but then he hit me again (and gets sorry again ). -_-!

What exactly about what I said did you find incorrect?

I was part of an autism intervention program for kids with autism. Autism is a spectrum disorder, not all kids present the same kind of symptoms with the same severity. But the most typical one is communication impairment, and kids learn alot through communication, so their learning is delayed because they can't communicate effectively.

Sure they also have behaviour quirks, have OCD and very rigid behaviour patterns and routines. I'm not saying they are born dumb, I'm saying that their development is delayed, because of communication difficulties, which is also depending on how severe their autism is. Some autistic kids can catch up, the ones with severe autism can't.

[remember_Cedric]

What exactly about what I said did you find incorrect?

All in all, autism is not exactly communication impairment but social impairment, there's a difference. And, they can be extremely sensitive to people or ignore you completely.

They can communicate (provided you gain their trust) by showing you, perhaps in a non-verbal way.

Sure they also have behaviour quirks, have OCD and very rigid behaviour patterns and routines. I'm not saying they are born dumb, I'm saying that their development is delayed, because of communication difficulties, which is also depending on how severe their autism is. Some autistic kids can catch up, the ones with severe autism can't.

I trust that you don't mean they're dumb, in any way. There are a good number of famous people out there who were autistic kids and perhaps still have autism symptoms in them at present. Most of them are in the artistes or performers while one of them (within my knowledge) being Bill Gates. If you notice Gates in his interview, you might grasp this (not obvious) awkwardness about him, during an interview. I think somewhere wrote about Gates that says he was an autistic kid or something of that sort.

I was part of an autism intervention program for kids with autism. Autism is a spectrum disorder, not all kids present the same kind of symptoms with the same severity. But the most typical one is communication impairment, and kids learn alot through communication, so their learning is delayed because they can't communicate effectively.

It's nice to know you're part of an autism intervention program.

[Banh Mi]

Ok, you're getting far fetched now. Autism is believed to be a genetic disorder. I said communication problems are the most typical symptom of Autism, I didn't say it defined autism.

Once you have Autism, it's with you for life, you don't stop being autistic. You would need professional diagnosis to confirm autism. And no where did I read that Bill Gates has autism, can you provide some source for that?

[remember_Cedric]

Maybe, this is too vague for an article to prove anything about Bill Gates, and isn't good enough for an evidence. But I do remember reading somewhere.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7899821/

And, if my memory serves me, I remember reading somewhere about Van Gogh was a victim of autism or asperger's.

Once you have Autism, it's with you for life, you don't stop being autistic.

Don't worry. This, isn't a comfirmation because conditions do improve provided they receive help.

[yittz]

Haha... let me explain the Australia result. The ave doesn't include the entire Australia population, it represents only the native Australian aborigines. So all the Asians and European who lives in Australia does not count toward that figure. Since the data collected was base on race, that is the distribution entirely on your ethnic origin.

So if you are a Chinese living in Australia who took an Official IQ test, your score will be tally together with the rest of China.

I do agree that Australia stat is unbelievably low.

You beat me to it.

This may come across as racist, but the Australian natives aren't the most educated people on the planet. I am not surprised at the score. Their level of education, among other things such as life expectancy, socioeconomic status, matches better with African countries than the rest of Australia.

[Han Solo]

Couple of comments.

This map is hilarious, you can't just color a whole country or a whole continent.

For example, the population of costal cities, capital cities, university towns generally have higher IQs.

Also, LOL at Australia. The dumbest continent.

EDIT: didn't read YG's comment.

But it makes the map even dumber. How can you just put all chinese's result into china?

Genes are not everything. Environment etc plays a big role as well.

Han Solo

[kayacamilla]

I believe it's really just the way parents push their kids to study or even just how things inspire kids to study. like a role model or just wanting to get out of somewhere. lack of inspiration is more like it rather than race.

[PJ]

Are Asians smart or do we just study harder?

Neither. Asians live more responsibly, therefore they come out ahead. Simple as that. Needless to say, black people don't live responsibly, which explains why most of them still live in a shithole.

[kidd]

Neither. Asians live more responsibly, therefore they come out ahead. Simple as that. Needless to say, black people don't live responsibly, which explains why most of them still live in a shithole.

You sound like Trien Chieu. If I just read the post and didn't see your name I would have thought this is written by TC.