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    http://www.everydaymoney.ca/2009/11/...he-planet.html

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    Time to trim Fido's "eco pawprint", authors say

    SINGAPORE (Reuters) - They're faithful, friendly and furry -- but under their harmless, fluffy exteriors, dogs and cats, the world's most popular house pets, use up more energy resources in a year than driving a car, a new book says.
    In their book "Time to Eat the Dog: The Real Guide to Sustainable Living," New Zealand-based architects Robert and Brenda Vale say keeping a medium-sized dog has the same ecological impact as driving 10,000 km (6,213 miles) a year in a 4.6 liter Land Cruiser.
    Calculating that the modern Fido chows through about 164 kg of meat and 95 kg of cereals a year, the Vales estimated the ecological footprint of cats and dogs, based on the amount of land needed to grow common brands of pet food.
    "There are no recipes in the book," Robert Vale told Reuters, laughingly, in a telephone interview.
    "We're not actually saying it is time to eat the dog. We're just saying that we need to think about and know the (ecological) impact of some of the things we do and that we take for granted."
    Constructing and driving the jeep for a year requires 0.41 hectares of land, while growing and manufacturing a dog's food takes about 0.84 ha -- or 1.1 ha in the case of a large dog such as a German shepherd.
    Meat-eating swells the eco-footprint of canines, and felines are not that much better, the Vales found.
    The average cat's eco-footprint, 0.15 ha, weighs in at slightly less than a Volkswagen Golf, but still 10 times a hamster's 0.014 ha -- which is itself half the eco cost of running a plasma television.
    By comparison, the ecological footprint of an average human in the developing world is 1.8 ha, while people in the developed world take 6 ha.
    With pets' diets under the control of owners, how can their unsustainable appetites be trimmed?
    Convincing carnivorous cats and dogs to go vegetarian for the sake of the planet is a non-starter, the Vales say.
    Instead they recommend keeping "greener," smaller, and more sustainable pets, such as goldfish, hamsters, chickens or rabbits.
    The book's playful title, and serious suggestion that pet animals may be usefully "recycled," by being eaten by their owners or turned into petfood when they die, may not appeal to animal fans.
    Offputting as the idea may be, the question is valid given the planet's growing population and finite resources, Robert Vale said.
    "Issues about sustainability are increasingly becoming things that are going to require us to make choices which are as difficult as eating your dog. It's not just about changing your lightbulbs or taking a cloth bag to the supermarket," he said.

    "It's about much more challenging and difficult issues," he added. "Once you see where (cats and dogs) fit in your overall balance of things -- you might decide to have the cat but not also to have the two cars and the three bathrooms and be a meat eater yourself."

    For people who are both environmentalist and animal lover, I wonder how they respond to the idea. They have been advocating people to make sacrifice for the environment, I wonder they would do the same by getting rid of their fovorite pets. I guess not.

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    Those people can just refuse to buy pet food, and just feed their pets with left overs of their own food.

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    Hmm this is new. So far I've only heard of cows getting blamed, now dogs too?

    So we are suggesting changing the animals' diets to save the world. Funny. We expect dogs and cats to save us while we continue with our damaging ways. Not funny. We are still running away from reality and our responsibility for everything.

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    That article seems to be advocated by some damn idlers.

    So, what is new? Nothing! Typical, isn't it? To change everything about the environment and sacrifice nearly anything of our surroundings (supposedly is what would cost us) but change nothing about the (selfish) human race itself.

    The human race is taking more than what this earth provides. So, if they think anymore need to be done to get "further eco-friendlier", I would say what Ebenzer Scrooge said with a modification, "Cut down the surplus population is the way to save us, and it should begin with those ignorant selfish beings.".
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    Smile eat a DOG its Exessively illegals !!!

    IN AUSTRALIA, WE DONT EAT DOGS, OR 5 YEARS SENTENCE

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    Have not eaten dog meat and definitely will not try.

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    Don't worry, everything will be back to what it suppose to be in 3 years time. Well the Mayan said so, I believe everything what the Mayan says haha.

    If that really big solar flare happen, well just prepare to die then. Anyway nature always cleaned up itself using cataclysmic event. It already happen a couple of times in the past.

    It happen to the dinasour, now I think it will happen to us. I think I'm going to plan my migration to Africa soon, coz that is the only continent that will survive the cataclysm. It's true, if you think about it, coz Africa is the only continent that is still not corrupted by men, well accept the killings and still full with flora and fauna (Serengeti - ring a bell) compare to other continents like America or Asia (China) haha. I'm sure mother nature want to keep Africa safe.

    Anyway it will be an added bonus if Mother Nature can just wipe out all those African dictators

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    This is retarded. Why don't we start eating our own children? How much extra kms can we squeeze out of the landrover if we do that? I am sure if we cull all the meating eating animals in the world, there will be more for us. Such a retarded title for a study that's going to show what we already know. There're so many other things every individual can do to decrease their eco footprint. But TC, you can pat yourself on the back for not owning any pets, your altruism should be idolised by everyone.

    Man I hope the above post is sarcasm. Fearmongers are the worst bunch of idiots. 2012 and Mayan calender, why do people believe in that shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rosely View Post

    It happen to the dinasour, now I think it will happen to us. I think I'm going to plan my migration to Africa soon, coz that is the only continent that will survive the cataclysm. It's true, if you think about it, coz Africa is the only continent that is still not corrupted by men, well accept the killings and still full with flora and fauna (Serengeti - ring a bell) compare to other continents like America or Asia (China) haha. I'm sure mother nature want to keep Africa safe.
    Are you kidding?

    Look at this then. The poaching and destruction of habitats could still be happening. Just because it isn't reported doesn't mean it's all peaceful and sweet.

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    Fearmongers are the worst bunch of idiots. 2012 and Mayan calender, why do people believe in that shit.
    Correct. As if there is no historical evidence of such stupidity? And the previous one was pretty recent too - probably around 10 years ago, and I'm not referring to the dumb millennium bug thingy.

    I doubt the Mayans ever said the world's going to end at 2012. It's all just the wild imagination of some nihilistic crazies that somehow managed to survive down the generations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yittz View Post
    Man I hope the above post is sarcasm. Fearmongers are the worst bunch of idiots. 2012 and Mayan calender, why do people believe in that shit.
    You do realize the post was made by a guy who believes almost everything he sees on the Internet without critically thinking about it, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yittz View Post
    Man I hope the above post is sarcasm. Fearmongers are the worst bunch of idiots. 2012 and Mayan calender, why do people believe in that shit.
    The Mayan's are already wrong, Mayan civilisation ended long before 2012. Who knows why they bothered counting that high.

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    You do realize the post was made by a guy who believes almost everything he sees on the Internet without critically thinking about it, right?
    I think he's the right person for our offer. You know, the 11 million dollar inheritance claim we were looking after in Nigeria. We just need his details and we can split the money 70% to him. Is he our guy?
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    During WW2, lots of urban citizens in civilized European cities ate their pets to survive besiegements, sooner or later people will have to eat dogs and cats again to pull through when World War 3 will finally break out towards the end of this century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaded WenEr View Post
    You do realize the post was made by a guy who believes almost everything he sees on the Internet without critically thinking about it, right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Banh Mi View Post
    The Mayan's are already wrong, Mayan civilisation ended long before 2012. Who knows why they bothered counting that high.

    I think he's the right person for our offer. You know, the 11 million dollar inheritance claim we were looking after in Nigeria. We just need his details and we can split the money 70% to him. Is he our guy?
    Of course I am not believing everything on the internet. 2012 is just another year with natural disasters like usual. Earthquake, hurricane, typoon, ect... are nothing new. Regarding the 11 million dollars from Nigeria, of course I knew it was a scam.

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    During WW2, lots of urban citizens in civilized European cities ate their pets to survive besiegements, sooner or later people will have to eat dogs and cats again to pull through when World War 3 will finally break out towards the end of this century.
    Wars and civil wars are there but WW3 will not occur as human beings are smart enough to know the consequences.
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    The first 2 posts you quoted weren't directed towards you.

    Wars and civil wars are there but WW3 will not occur as human beings are smart enough to know the consequences.
    You're giving people too much credit there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banh Mi View Post
    The first 2 posts you quoted weren't directed towards you.



    You're giving people too much credit there.
    Actually, I think we probably will avoid World War III...just because no matter how greedy, selfish, or hateful people become, NOBODY benefits from complete annihilation. People were willing to fight World Wars I and II because while devastating, most believed that there would still be survivors and a WORLD for them to survive on when the fighting was done. With weapons as powerful as available today, however, that's no longer a sure thing.

    It would take something beyond imagination to compel enough people to do enough to actually make another World War happen. I think the irony of inventing nuclear weapons is that they've become the best deterrent to another World War. They're great for scaring people, but the few actually crazy enough to use them either don't have them yet or will never get enough of them to actually wipe out the rest of the world.

    For that, we can all be thankful. Happy Thanksgiving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Actually, I think we probably will avoid World War III...just because no matter how greedy, selfish, or hateful people become, NOBODY benefits from complete annihilation. People were willing to fight World Wars I and II because while devastating, most believed that there would still be survivors and a WORLD for them to survive on when the fighting was done. With weapons as powerful as available today, however, that's no longer a sure thing.

    It would take something beyond imagination to compel enough people to do enough to actually make another World War happen. I think the irony of inventing nuclear weapons is that they've become the best deterrent to another World War. They're great for scaring people, but the few actually crazy enough to use them either don't have them yet or will never get enough of them to actually wipe out the rest of the world.

    For that, we can all be thankful. Happy Thanksgiving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Actually, I think we probably will avoid World War III...just because no matter how greedy, selfish, or hateful people become, NOBODY benefits from complete annihilation. People were willing to fight World Wars I and II because while devastating, most believed that there would still be survivors and a WORLD for them to survive on when the fighting was done. With weapons as powerful as available today, however, that's no longer a sure thing.

    It would take something beyond imagination to compel enough people to do enough to actually make another World War happen. I think the irony of inventing nuclear weapons is that they've become the best deterrent to another World War. They're great for scaring people, but the few actually crazy enough to use them either don't have them yet or will never get enough of them to actually wipe out the rest of the world.

    For that, we can all be thankful. Happy Thanksgiving.
    On the contrary whoever is left behind after a massive population purge will benefit the most. You could argue that the Black Death played a role in ushering in the renaissance. And a large scale war does sound like an appealing form of population control. We can count on the U.S not losing any direct conflict, and only a handful of other countries have them. I'm not sure about the state of weaponry these days, but would it be too radical to assume that there are bombs with a large effect and minimal fallout?

    I can see a large war developing from conflicts between 2 small countries that eventually drag in more countries. Human prejudice is also pretty strong, how long have the Israelis and the Palestinians been fighting?

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    I'd never eat dogmeat unless there is an industry with standards and regulations on which dog get's butchered for food. I'd like to know how the dog died: I'd hate to be eating a dog that died of some kind of disease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Chen View Post
    I'd never eat dogmeat unless there is an industry with standards and regulations on which dog get's butchered for food. I'd like to know how the dog died: I'd hate to be eating a dog that died of some kind of disease.
    i know in china, they bash them over the head. cats, they drown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Chen View Post
    I'd never eat dogmeat unless there is an industry with standards and regulations on which dog get's butchered for food. I'd like to know how the dog died: I'd hate to be eating a dog that died of some kind of disease.
    It is sickening to eat a dog that died of some kind of disease just like pig and cattle. However, if a dog is healthy then you can eat the dog meat just like pork and beef. If we can have pig, chicken and cattle farms then we could have dog, cat, and whatever animal farms. We also can have dog and cat slaughter houses just like pig, chicken and cattle.

    Quote Originally Posted by pemberly View Post
    i know in china, they bash them over the head. cats, they drown.
    I think it's ok to eat dog and cat in china and some other countries where is legal to do so. There is nothing wrong with it. If I go there, I would like to try turtle and dog too, but not cat.

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