Linghu Chong XXDF

[9dragonkings]

Linghu Chung XXDF + shaolin Yijin Jing = complete XXDF? Ren Wo Xing XXDF seems to have unfathom potential because absorbing an opponents internal energy and useing it against them seems like a sure way win a bout. Added, that the rate of absorption can also speed up and cripple your opponent with shock, refering to the TV adaptions. Jin Yong put a cap to this overpower technique by giving it a draw back of conflicting internal energy, foriegn energy runs amuck inside the body, this can be dangerous mid fight and constrains the user from properly using the absorb energy. Ren Wo Xing used most of his internal to suppress his mix internal energy from running amuck. His suppression and the technique's drawback prevents him from using this technique to the full potential. Internal energy = +strength, endurance, stamina, speed according to Jin Yong novels and TV adpations. For someone like Ren Wo Xing with XXDF with XXDF with immense internal potential = immense strength, endurance, stamina, speed. He is limited by XXDF flaw.

However, Linghu Chung XXDF + shaolin Yijin Jing is not only unhibited by the flaw he may have surpassed Ren Wo Xing in effectively using XXDF or will surpass him in a couple years after the end of the story. So is Linghu Chong XXDF the complete version of XXDF.

[mideel]

i read in novel sucking star skill is actually come from Duan family, no wonder it looks similar like in DGSD, even though Duan Yu get it because he eats a magical frog, not sure how can that skill being put into manual teach to others so people like Ren Wo Xing can learn it

[9dragonkings]

That may explain why Ren Wo Xing, sucking star is incomplete. He has conflicting internal energy inside his body when he absorb too much foreign energy. Duan Yu or Duan family relative probably tried to translate DGSD into a manual and the manual somehow got into the hands of Ren Wo Xing. There one difference between DGSD and sucking star. DGSD require physical contact, but Sucking Star can absorb through inanimate objects and possible from a distance.

People sometimes don't realize Ren Wo Xing fights handicap because his main skill is hurting his performance and heath.

[mideel]

oh yeah, i remember Duan Yu also has the similar problem after he absorbed some martial artist internal energies even though later he seem can control it, i forget exactly how Duan Yu later don't feel hurt anymore, i think maybe after the event in the temple
after Ciumoti ( hokkian, don't know his name in chinese ) appeared

and also, if i'm not mistaken there is another guy with sucking skill in dgsd, i believe one of the main antagonist, but i really forgot his name, i just remember when duan yu unintentionally use it in his home someone ask him about his devil skill and what is his connection with the old demon who is famous of the sucking skill ?

[9dragonkings]

I never understand why people underesitmate Ling Wu Chung among jin yong characters. From beginning to end of the novel he display great skill. His potential near the end of the novel is unfahomable. XXDF, shaolin Yijin Jing and mastery of Dugu 9 jain. He is dangerous with or without a sword.

[mideel]

I never understand why people underesitmate Ling Wu Chung among jin yong characters. From beginning to end of the novel he display great skill. His potential near the end of the novel is unfahomable. XXDF, shaolin Yijin Jing and mastery of Dugu 9 jain. He is dangerous with or without a sword.

maybe because compared to all of jin yong protagonist he's not that good in internal energy and throughout the story he is a sick guy all of the time...

1. Duan Yu, Yang Guo ( maybe they are equal, Duan Yu absorb countless strong warrior internal energy but even until the end of story he still don't know how to use them, Yang Guo internal energy might not as strong as Duan Yu but his martial arts is one of the best in jin yong universe )

2. Zhang Wu Ji

3. Guo Jing

4. Ling Hu Chong

[9dragonkings]

maybe because compared to all of jin yong protagonist he's not that good in internal energy and throughout the story he is a sick guy all of the time...

1. Duan Yu, Yang Guo ( maybe they are equal, Duan Yu absorb countless strong warrior internal energy but even until the end of story he still don't know how to use them, Yang Guo internal energy might not as strong as Duan Yu but his martial arts is one of the best in jin yong universe )

2. Zhang Wu Ji

3. Guo Jing

4. Ling Hu Chong

state of divinity story is a bit different from Jin Yong other wuxia novels, instead of relying on just internal to decide who will win in a showdown it's decided upon technique. Meaning, if two people have comparable internal internal even if the other person internal is a lot higher then yours you can still win if you have good technique or strategy. LWC is an examplar of Jin Yong intentions he barely has any internal through major parts of the story yet he was able to defeat people who have internal. Added LWC xxdf + shaolin ying jin = Duan You absorption skill. If he ever need more internal he can just take it from his opponent while he attacks with the flawless dugu 9 jian, making them defend.

LWC whole character is a counter to wuxia heroes who rely on internal energy to outperform their opponents. Take Zhang Wu Ji for instance, most of Zhang Wu Ji fights involve him winning not because of marital art skill/ technique rather because he has abundant amount of internal energy compare to his opponents yet he still struggles to win even when his opponents are much weaker then him. Zhang Wu Ji underperforms.

Ling Hu Chong on the other hand is always overperforming, defeating opponents that topple him in internal. Ling Hu Chong route to defeating an opponent is not to have more internal then the opponent, but to have enough internal to contend with his opponent. Take DFBB for example, DFBB internal was more then LHC, Ren Wo Xing and the other guy (forgot his name). DFBB internal powered him to out speed the trio. Ling Hu Chong near the end of the story had enough internal to contend with an alternate DFBB, Yue Ba Quan. Ling Hu Chong had the advantage because of increase internal and experience, knew more about Hua manual techniques.

[Swordsman83]

state of divinity story is a bit different from Jin Yong other wuxia novels, instead of relying on just internal to decide who will win in a showdown it's decided upon technique. Meaning, if two people have comparable internal internal even if the other person internal is a lot higher then yours you can still win if you have good technique or strategy. LWC is an examplar of Jin Yong intentions he barely has any internal through major parts of the story yet he was able to defeat people who have internal. Added LWC xxdf + shaolin ying jin = Duan You absorption skill. If he ever need more internal he can just take it from his opponent while he attacks with the flawless dugu 9 jian, making them defend.

LWC whole character is a counter to wuxia heroes who rely on internal energy to outperform their opponents. Take Zhang Wu Ji for instance, most of Zhang Wu Ji fights involve him winning not because of marital art skill/ technique rather because he has abundant amount of internal energy compare to his opponents yet he still struggles to win even when his opponents are much weaker then him. Zhang Wu Ji underperforms.

Ling Hu Chong on the other hand is always overperforming, defeating opponents that topple him in internal. Ling Hu Chong route to defeating an opponent is not to have more internal then the opponent, but to have enough internal to contend with his opponent. Take DFBB for example, DFBB internal was more then LHC, Ren Wo Xing and the other guy (forgot his name). DFBB internal powered him to out speed the trio. Ling Hu Chong near the end of the story had enough internal to contend with an alternate DFBB, Yue Ba Quan. Ling Hu Chong had the advantage because of increase internal and experience, knew more about Hua manual techniques.

well said..

thats why ling hu chong is my fav, the only swordsman main character in jin yong universe.

[Bai Qi44]

Reason why most do not think too much of LWC as a fighter is because he's crap without a sword. I remember a part in the story where he didn't have a sword and just relied on hand to hand combat. Before he could grab a sword, he almost got killed by a 2 bit fighter. This is why Lav ranked LWC so low in terms of fighters. LWC, after learning DG9K and XXDF and without a sword in hand almost got killed by a 2 bit fighter. That's ridiculous considering that LWC by that time should be easily able to defeat that 2 bit fighter...but not the case in the novel. Granted, at the end of the novel, after learning YKK and sucking loads of inner power, LWC might not be that easily defeated without a sword, but who knows. Seems like JY wanted LWC to be powerful only with a sword in hand.

[Swordsman83]

Reason why most do not think too much of LWC as a fighter is because he's crap without a sword. I remember a part in the story where he didn't have a sword and just relied on hand to hand combat. Before he could grab a sword, he almost got killed by a 2 bit fighter. This is why Lav ranked LWC so low in terms of fighters. LWC, after learning DG9K and XXDF and without a sword in hand almost got killed by a 2 bit fighter. That's ridiculous considering that LWC by that time should be easily able to defeat that 2 bit fighter...but not the case in the novel. Granted, at the end of the novel, after learning YKK and sucking loads of inner power, LWC might not be that easily defeated without a sword, but who knows. Seems like JY wanted LWC to be powerful only with a sword in hand.

Jin Yong has never liked his main character to be powerful with sword.

you can see almost all the top fighter use bare hand with imba internal energy.

I think Ling wu chong is the only pure swordsman main character.

[9dragonkings]

I have to respectfully disagree. who is the 2 bit fighter are you referring to? It quite possible LWC lacked unarmed experience and got careless. Various protagonist have been through this tumbling stage and wised up afterwards. XXDF was a form of unarmed combat because any opponent touched by LWC would have a crippling feeling of their energy taken.YKK on the other hand boosted LWC unarmed combat potential and endurance, remember Tian Long Ba Bu.

[Bai Qi44]

I have to respectfully disagree. who is the 2 bit fighter are you referring to? It quite possible LWC lacked unarmed experience and got careless. Various protagonist have been through this tumbling stage and wised up afterwards. XXDF was a form of unarmed combat because any opponent touched by LWC would have a crippling feeling of their energy taken.YKK on the other hand boosted LWC unarmed combat potential and endurance, remember Tian Long Ba Bu.

Disagree with what? You disagree with the fact that LWC's bare hand combat was no match for a no name fighter hacking a sabre at him. That part is near the end of chapter 28. JY even states that LWC's bare hand combat is just ordinary. LWC, with a sword in hand is deadly as he easily disposed of this fighter once Yue Lingshan handed him a sword. He easily disposed of the group of fighters just prior to this event when he had a sword in hand too. Once LWC threw his sword away (to kill some other fighter) and chased after this guy, without a weapon in hand, LWC became a much weaker fighter. LWC had to run for his life from that guy hacking a sabre at him. I mean come on. That seems pretty ridiculous for a guy that's suppose to be powerful as LWC at that stage of the game.

Anyway, what you posted is irrelevant as it doesn't say how weak LWC was without a sword/weapon in hand at that stage of his life. And, that's after learning XXDF and a good understanding of DG9K.

[CC]

Yes, it always seemed to me that with XXDF + YJJ, LHC's potential is virtually limitless. Like DY with his 3 arts.

Maybe thats why JY only let them have some semblance of mastery over the lot in the last couple pages of the novel.

[9dragonkings]

And how many times have Ling Hu Chong fought without a sword within the novel? He was mainly a sword fighter.
1)Ling Hu Chong did not master DG9K at all, he only had the basic concepts. Wuxia sword masters who mastered their respective sword art are able to fight without the use of the sword, using their fingers as a substitute and create adaptive stances depending on the situation. If Feng Qingyang was in that position he would have easily dispatched that person. Ling Hu Chong still lack the full 20 years experience Feng Qingyang proposed. DG9K gets stronger the more experience one accumulates. Ling Hu Chong was basically a amateur with good sword skills and poor combat experience. Wuxia protagonist learn from their mistakes.

If Ling Hu Chong never experiences vulnerability how would he improve? If Ling Hu Chong had experience with XXDF all he had to do was drain the sabre person's energy, crippling that person. The fact that he didn't simply meant he was inexperienced and that changes throughout wuxia. Protagonist's skills aren't set in stone with experience they change for the better. If he was placed in the same situation again he would fair much better.

[Swordsman83]

And how many times have Ling Hu Chong fought without a sword within the novel? He was mainly a sword fighter.
1)Ling Hu Chong did not master DG9K at all, he only had the basic concepts. Wuxia sword masters who mastered their respective sword art are able to fight without the use of the sword, using their fingers as a substitute and create adaptive stances depending on the situation. If Feng Qingyang was in that position he would have easily dispatched that person. Ling Hu Chong still lack the full 20 years experience Feng Qingyang proposed. DG9K gets stronger the more experience one accumulates. Ling Hu Chong was basically a amateur with good sword skills and poor combat experience. Wuxia protagonist learn from their mistakes.

If Ling Hu Chong never experiences vulnerability how would he improve? If Ling Hu Chong had experience with XXDF all he had to do was drain the sabre person's energy, crippling that person. The fact that he didn't simply meant he was inexperienced and that changes throughout wuxia. Protagonist's skills aren't set in stone with experience they change for the better. If he was placed in the same situation again he would fair much better.

yes the highest form of swords skill is to become one with the sword.. sword in that person heart.. such a person i can think of is wuming from the storm riders comic.

despite ling hu chong is far from being the top protagonist , he is still my fav character is jin yong novel.

[Bai Qi44]

And how many times have Ling Hu Chong fought without a sword within the novel? He was mainly a sword fighter.
1)Ling Hu Chong did not master DG9K at all, he only had the basic concepts. Wuxia sword masters who mastered their respective sword art are able to fight without the use of the sword, using their fingers as a substitute and create adaptive stances depending on the situation. If Feng Qingyang was in that position he would have easily dispatched that person. Ling Hu Chong still lack the full 20 years experience Feng Qingyang proposed. DG9K gets stronger the more experience one accumulates. Ling Hu Chong was basically a amateur with good sword skills and poor combat experience. Wuxia protagonist learn from their mistakes.

If Ling Hu Chong never experiences vulnerability how would he improve? If Ling Hu Chong had experience with XXDF all he had to do was drain the sabre person's energy, crippling that person. The fact that he didn't simply meant he was inexperienced and that changes throughout wuxia. Protagonist's skills aren't set in stone with experience they change for the better. If he was placed in the same situation again he would fair much better.

Not sure what you're debating here as I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm pointing out the fact that at that stage of LWC's progress, he was crap with bare hand fighting. He depended on a sword/weapon heavily and he was already a top fighter at that point of the story (with a sword in hand). Anyway, I also stated that I have no idea how LWC would fare after YJJ and a deeper understanding of DG9K near the end of the story (without a weapon in hand) as he should be likely much more improved. Anyway, even at that point of the story, LWC should be able to easily dispose of this fighter because he had a good enough understanding of DG9K. FQY also pointed to LWC that he could use his fingers as a sword against TBG. Seems like LWC relied on a weapon too much.

Lav ranked his fighters based on all combat situations and we don't rank fighters after a story ends. LWC did not show how great of a fighter he was without a weapon in hand whereas guys like RWX, the Greats, GJ, YG, CMK etc.. showed how good they were with bare hand fighting as well as weapons fighting.

[Doc Kwok]

Earlier in the story, LHC demonstrated that he can chop a small tree in two from a distance just by hurling his sword at it - a feat that requires an insane amount of raw force behind it. You would have thought that with that much force, even the most ham-fisted punch would be utterly devastating no matter where it landed (though he might end up breaking his own hand)...

[9dragonkings]

Not sure what you're debating here as I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm pointing out the fact that at that stage of LWC's progress, he was crap with bare hand fighting. He depended on a sword/weapon heavily and he was already a top fighter at that point of the story (with a sword in hand). Anyway, I also stated that I have no idea how LWC would fare after YJJ and a deeper understanding of DG9K near the end of the story (without a weapon in hand) as he should be likely much more improved. Anyway, even at that point of the story, LWC should be able to easily dispose of this fighter because he had a good enough understanding of DG9K. FQY also pointed to LWC that he could use his fingers as a sword against TBG. Seems like LWC relied on a weapon too much.

Lav ranked his fighters based on all combat situations and we don't rank fighters after a story ends. LWC did not show how great of a fighter he was without a weapon in hand whereas guys like RWX, the Greats, GJ, YG, CMK etc.. showed how good they were with bare hand fighting as well as weapons fighting.

I'm not disagreeing with you either. In fact I'm agreeing, but just adding the information to clarify. You said Ling Hu Chong have pale unarmed combat skills within that specific stage. I agree with that. I'm saying that Ling Hu Chong skills aren't stuck at one stage or period of a story because of character experience and growth. He was inexperienced.

1)Basic understand of DK9J, relied on his sword too much. The use of fingers fit into DK9J agenda of adapting stances to various circumstances. LHC didn't utilize his fingers might have been intended by the author to hint the repercussion of his lack of training.
2)Unable to use XXDF in an unarmed manner like Ren Wo Xing
The fact that he was vulnerable was a good thing from a wuxia perspective, he gets to learn.

May I ask what version of the book are you referring to?

[9dragonkings]

YJJ. Shaolin Wuxia puts heavy focus on external body strength, hands, legs, joints, fingers. If YJJ does as advertise I'm guessing he can perform that feat without worry.

[PJ]

LHC's barehanded combat skills remain extremely weak at the end of the novel. See how he was subdued by Yi Lin's mother in chapter 37 (out of 40). Her kung fu is far below the level of RYY (stated by JY), yet her strange attacks were enough to take out barehanded LHC.

那婆婆的武功其实也不甚高，所长者只是行走无声，偷袭
快捷，真实功夫固然远不及岳不群、左冷禅，连盈盈也比她高明得多。但令狐冲拳脚功夫
甚差，若不是那婆婆防着他的“吸星大法”，不敢和他手脚相碰，令狐冲早已接连中掌了
。