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    Default 21 fetuses, baby bodies found in E. China river,Jining county, Shandong Province

    21 fetuses, baby bodies found in E. China river



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    [SIZE=1][COLOR=navy]Men search for more bags of bodies under the Gunagfuhe bridge in a village in Jining county, Shandong Province, on March 28. [CFP][/COLOR][/SIZE]
    JINAN, March 30 (Xinhua) -- Medical staff at a hospital have been suspended from work after at least 21 fetuses and baby bodies were found discarded in a river in east China's Jining City.
    Some eight of the 21 bodies had tabs with clinic code numbers attached to their feet. The tabs showed the bodies were from the hospital of Jining Medical University.
    Local health authorities and police have launched an investigation into the dumping.
    "The hospital medical staff involved have been suspended from their work during the investigation," said Zhong Haitao, a spokesman at the Jining Health Bureau.
    Zhong said the 21 bodies were salvaged by local residents and firemen Monday after they were discovered under a bridge spanning the Guangfu River in the outskirts of Jining.
    The Beijing News reported Tuesday the bodies may have been dumped by cleaners from local hospitals after abortions and induced labor. Such dead bodies are treated as "medical waste" by hospitals.
    The municipal environmental department said the most recent tests on the river's water quality showed it was not contaminated with major water indicators, unchanged with that of 2009.
    The river is not one of the city's drinking water sources.



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    China has a loooonnnggg way to go before I'd consider it a civilized society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    China has a loooonnnggg way to go before I'd consider it a civilized society.
    well, things like this can happen in any "civilized society."
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    such as the US.

    March 30, 2010
    Body Parts Found at Kansas Medical Waste Company
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    Filed at 3:18 p.m. ET

    KANSAS CITY, Kan. (AP) -- A Kansas coroner is trying to identify body parts found inside a truck at a medical waste company.

    Seven heads, a torso and several limbs were found last week in a truck at Stericycle Co.

    Kansas City, Kan.-based Stericycle handles medical waste such as operating room debris and syringes. But it generally doesn't dispose of major body parts.

    A Stericycle spokeswoman said Tuesday that the company won't comment.

    Wyandotte County Coroner Alan Hancock says the parts were found in a shipment from New Mexico company Bio Care. That company says it didn't ship the parts found in the truck.

    Bio Care's Web site says it's a nonprofit that handles donations of human bodies to science. The company also provides cremation services at no cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pemberly View Post
    such as the US.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100331/...na_dead_babies

    The situation in China appears to be cultural. Dumping babies because they're bad luck? WTH? Whatever happened to a decent burial? There's evidence that even Neanderthals buried their dead with some ritual.

    Confucius is spinning in his grave.

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    i don't really see it as cultural. it might be bad luck for the parents/mother to take the dead child's body with them and bury it, but there's nothing cultural in the hospital workers not disposing the bodies properly.

    what i find almost as disturbing are all those comments at the bottom of that article.
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    Going off topic a bit....

    Why would you defend the People's Republic of China by denigrating the United States of America?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    Going off topic a bit....

    Why would you defend the People's Republic of China by denigrating the United States of America?
    And why do you denigrate the People's Republic of China in favour of... whatever?

    The fact is people all over the world do nasty things.

    Pebbie merely put up an example of it which happened to have occured in the US. Or are you unable to accept it because her example didn't happen in your so-called "uncivilised" China?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guo Xiang View Post
    And why do you denigrate the People's Republic of China in favour of... whatever?
    Because, I'm an American. And while no country is perfect, the USA certainly isn't, the PRC is a particularly oppressive regime in the world today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    Because, I'm an American. And while no country is perfect, the USA certainly isn't, the PRC is a particularly oppressive regime in the world today.
    But that's no reason to pin something exclusively to them when it isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banh Mi View Post
    But that's no reason to pin something exclusively to them when it isn't.
    Isn't what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    Going off topic a bit....

    Why would you defend the People's Republic of China by denigrating the United States of America?
    i'm not making comments on the governments or the leadership of either country. I'm just saying that in this situation, it was the fault of specific people, which could happen and has happened anywhere in the world. it's almost akin to saying china is bad because there are murderers in the country.

    whether or not China is a oppressive regime has no bearing in this situation.
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    I believe it to be a result of the 1 Child Policy myself.

    And these bodies had tags on them which leads me to believe they were actually born; I see no reason to tag aborted fetuses. And the article also states that the dead bodies are seen as medical waste by the hospitals which tells me that it is acceptable by law to treat the bodies as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    Isn't what?
    Exclusive to China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    I believe it to be a result of the 1 Child Policy myself.

    And these bodies had tags on them which leads me to believe they were actually born; I see no reason to tag aborted fetuses. And the article also states that the dead bodies are seen as medical waste by the hospitals which tells me that it is acceptable by law to treat the bodies as such.
    the bodies are tagged because the parents might want to have the child buried, so they are tagged to identify them. also, all aborted fetuses or miscarried babies which the parents don't wish to take are medical waste, whether in the US or China.
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    Get your facts right before going on your biased rant.

    Beginning to sound like TC with all this anti-PRC generalisation.

    Who are you to judge what classifies as a civilised society when your view is influenced by the West, and belittle ideas contrary to the ones you were brought up with. The fact that you question Pemb's attack of your generalisation as anti-patriotism to US suggests how narrow minded you are.

    You whinge that dumping babies is cultural, but so is the act of a decent burial.
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    Who am I?

    Who are you to tell me what I can or cannot beleive?

    Who are you to tell me what I can or cannot say?

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    And why do you denigrate the People's Republic of China in favour of... whatever?
    Simple, but poignant.

    Anyway, back to the topic, which is unfortunately a ghastly one. This is why I refrained from saying anything. But now I simply must ask, what is usually the appropriate procedure to dispose of [<-- this feels wrong of me to use] aborted fetuses? Somehow to deem them as "medical waste" is so achingly wrong. And then to be dumped in a river? Well, that's just wrong in general.

    Yes, I am aware that medical waste dumping happens in other places of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ByTmE View Post
    Simple, but poignant.
    Because I believe all people are created equal, the PRC does not; it's a regime that still oppresses it's own people. You live in DC. There are some documents there that I think you should go read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    Because I believe all people are created equal, the PRC does not; it's a regime that still oppresses it's own people. You live in DC. There are some documents there that I think you should go read.
    I agree with you. I qouted Guo Xiang's comment because I thought it was unforunately distressing but cute on her part.

    Anyway. In general, many people from developed countries do indeed understand the privileges that they have been granted because of where they were born or emigrated to. It's how privileged they are compared to other people that alludes them. It's a bit difficult to measure. For myself, I think it's that many people from developed countries don't understand the extent of disadvantages or how underprivileged those from developing countries are truly living under. We can understand and emphasize, but to truly know, one would have to be subjugated to that living environment or culture. We can always ponder "Why do the [ insert preferred ethnic group] partake in such uncivilized activities??" I think, usually it's because in their reality, there are no other choices to be had.

    ::shrugs::
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